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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Mr.Al]
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My experience of what the doctors called psychosis or schizophrenia was a mass departure into the abstract. I don't think it's the same for everyone. Isn't a mental illness any disorder which makes you dysfunctional in society?

I feel now I was just thinking too much, so much, I went 'crazy' and had no bearings. Things were a certain way, because I thought they were, or so I thought.

But I find it so hard to understand how people think they are in reality, and can tell when someone is not. I think there's quality of consciousness, and most people I see or meet have a very low quality of consciousness. The really low quality ones must be the crazy ones.

Crazy might be an opinion. The ones who talk to themselves and stuff, well we'd all have the opinion they're mad. But I think anyone who isn't loving is pretty much mad.

If you're being anyone but yourself, nothing makes sense and you're quite mad, IMO. Your natural self has no fear and is loving.

Hate is insanity, love is its cure. You are love.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Eschalt]
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"Obstacles" as actually means of achieving growth.

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Mr.Al]
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Yes but for some, certain obstacles can never be overcome and even if they could doing so might be worthless. It is best to simply not place them in the first place. The most obvious and general example is believing in something that there is no evidence for the existence of and attempting to attain it.

How one could recognize what challenges are worthy and what's not intuitively is beyond me. I seem to have done some things the hard way and luckily I managed to realize that I keep making the same mistake.

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Eschalt]
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Attain What, My Balls Are Original, O.K.:rofl:

Fox Horn Leg-A-Horn eating psychedelic cacti.

Fucking kittens are drinking bhang again man.

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Eschalt]
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Eschalt said:
Yes but for some, certain obstacles can never be overcome and even if they could doing so might be worthless. It is best to simply not place them in the first place. The most obvious and general example is believing in something that there is no evidence for the existence of and attempting to attain it.

How one could recognize what challenges are worthy and what's not intuitively is beyond me. I seem to have done some things the hard way and luckily I managed to realize that I keep making the same mistake.



It's better than nothing. :flowstone:


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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The other side of it is that everyone is already schizophrenic and lost in psychosis.

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The cause of human suffering and conflict

The cause of human suffering and conflict is our commitment to the illusions we call values, morals and ethics. Values, morals and ethics do not exist outside of our cultural- existential minds. They do not exist in reality and are therefore a figment of our culturally and existentially indoctrinated imagination. We believe or think values exist when in fact they do not. This describes the schizophrenic mind. The schizophrenic mind is separated from reality and centered in unreality or what psychologists call fantasy, believing this fantasy to be real. Cultural/existential humanity exists entirely within the framework of illusionary values, morals and ethics and is therefore absolutely schizophrenic. We are either affirmatively committed to the existence of values, morals and ethics or we are not. If we are committed to the existence of values, morals and ethics, we are schizophrenic and consequently insane. If we are not committed to values, morals and ethics, then confusion, conflict and insanity are not a part of our psychological nature. The term insane is used to describe the personal and social actions of the schizophrenic personality. There can be no conflict without the values of right or wrong being offended or defended. There can be no guilt or repression without the values of right or wrong, good or bad having been applied. There can be no psychological neurosis or psychosis without the fears associated with the loss or gain of that valued. There can be no anxiety without the anticipation or expectation concerning future uncertainties about success or failure. There can be no frustration without a desired goal being thwarted. The illusionary concepts of values, morals and ethics exist so that we may judge, separate and divide, and then pit the one side against the other. This enables the persons involved to feel either superior or inferior as the case may be. This is the underlying motivation for all cultural-existential activity. Due to the divisive and conflicting nature of duality, cultural/existential humanity can be described as being not only sociopathic (anti-social) in its attitude and response to humankind, but also psychopathic (aggressively anti-social) much of that time. Since confusion, conflict and insanity are the consequence of our commitment to values, morals and ethics, and peace exists when there is no confusion, conflict or insanity present, it can be concluded that peace is the consequence of having no values, no morals and no ethics. If values, morals and ethics are the direct cause of all human suffering and conflict and do not exist in the tao/eden/reality, and if peace and sanity are to be realized, we must refuse to take part in their use.



From http://the-wanderling.com/zen30.html


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: lolwut]
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Good luck giving up culture. :monkeydance:


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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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dustinthewind13 said:
Eschalt said:
Yes but for some, certain obstacles can never be overcome and even if they could doing so might be worthless. It is best to simply not place them in the first place. The most obvious and general example is believing in something that there is no evidence for the existence of and attempting to attain it.

How one could recognize what challenges are worthy and what's not intuitively is beyond me. I seem to have done some things the hard way and luckily I managed to realize that I keep making the same mistake.



It's better than nothing. :flowstone:



How can "nothing" be better than itself?

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Eschalt]
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Eschalt said:
dustinthewind13 said:
Eschalt said:
Yes but for some, certain obstacles can never be overcome and even if they could doing so might be worthless. It is best to simply not place them in the first place. The most obvious and general example is believing in something that there is no evidence for the existence of and attempting to attain it.

How one could recognize what challenges are worthy and what's not intuitively is beyond me. I seem to have done some things the hard way and luckily I managed to realize that I keep making the same mistake.



It's better than nothing. :flowstone:



How can "nothing" be better than itself?



:justkillmenow:  :blowmybrainsout: can be better by being :idhitit:  :youshouldtapthat:  :douchewink:


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"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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Gif #2 always gives me an uneasy sick feeling...but I stare at it anyways.

Damn spiritual illness making me do it.

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Good luck giving up culture. :monkeydance:



Culture is a useful tool for communication and propagation of latest ideas and technology. I have no desire to give it up. I do however desire to escape the mainstream egoic structure and consensus reality which is only limiting and miserable.:smile:


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: lolwut]
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I was referring to that article you quoted.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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I didn't interpret it as saying give up culture, more like saying give up the indoctrinated values ethics and morals. In context with the rest of the article it makes more sense, as it points to the Four Noble Truths as a replacement which have their own moral system geared towards enlightenment instead of fitting in. Depends on if you believe in those things I guess


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: lolwut]
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Values ethics and morals are culture.  Everyone has them. Some more, some less.  Zen not excluded.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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Has anyone here ever seen a person in a (non-alcoholic or drug-induced) psychotic rage? I have. There is nothing 'normal' about it. There is no reasoning with such a person.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I get testy sometimes. :mad2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander] * 1
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Lackanookie syndrome.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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dustinthewind13 said:
This resonates with me a lot, except for:

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In other words I enjoyed the psychosis and integrated it well. My case manager tells me its very rare to see someone like me.

Hope this helps :





Well he told me I'm a "star patient" who is doing everything right. And I enjoyed it because my episode was very "up", very manic, the high was like a drug in itself. It's possible to have depressive or mixed episodes but I didn't.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Almond Flour]
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Almond Flour said:
How do you guys view psychosis. Simple biology, or something more along the lines of possession, or something more unorthodox? Do you think people have a choice or at least some power over the workings of their mind? Or do you think if you are going to go psychotic, it was programmed into your genes at birth?



it's definitely not possession.  i think psychotic delusion is a strong belief in a thought not in line with reality.  stupid and untrue thoughts come and go but when you really latch on to one and start acting on it, i think that's when you've got psychotic delusion.  for someone in a catatonic psychotic state, it's probably chaotic nonsense, like a crazy dream.

i think some people have some choice.  well, i mean i think some people probably are just wired to be that way and most people can influence the direction of their thoughts but not totally control them.

i think some people might be predisposed to certain things like psychosis, but for most that suffer from a psychotic state it's probably a reaction to some kind of environment stimulus when it happens.  getting seriously injured can increase the chances for problems later on in life.

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: blackdogs]
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Love is important.  I have read from some schizophrenics that in their family there was low expressed love or they had probems expressing love.  It seems to me that love can go a long way towards heaing mental illness and things like LSA can open their mind to fight off their twisted circuits.  Mental illnesses all follow from attacks on the ego and personally I accept my ego struggle and defense very positive and wonder why people would want ego collapse cnsidering the more undesirable side effects appear following it.  Redosing and fighting would bring back ego integrity.  Taking higher doses just means it's a tougher battle and unless you takeit daily you can fight off an ego collapse but just tae it for what it's worth.

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