Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery

MushroomMan Mycology
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Myyco.com APE Liquid Culture For Sale

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 |  [ show all ]
Are we all born hypocritical?
    #15185252 -

I am finally working again and have so for the past month.

I drive children of ages 3 to 12 to and from school.

I came to a crossroads of thought while observing children perception of the world and thinking about generally how most adults I have encountered ruin their relationships with people through being hypocritical.

I have come to realize that we are born hypocritical, as in we tell people to do what we do not wish to do, especially when it comes to how they treat us in regards to how we treat them.

I have always been able to treat people equally or at least come somewhat close to that but I realize that when I do so I don't feel good. In fact, I feel very bad and angry to try to treat others equally and expect to get back what I have given.

I've decided to live my life like this more, depending on certain factors.

All this really raises questions like; are we born into conflict with each other??? Is it really possible to ever have a mutually beneficial relationship???

:cheers:


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15185263 -

I don't think we're born hypocritical, so much as we become.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15185276 -

PatrickKn said:
I don't think we're born hypocritical, so much as we become.



Why would you say that?


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15185378 -

Because a newborn mostly wants, and doesn't really contemplate the reasons why his wants could be considered a bad thing.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15185496 -

Nature is conflict to a great degree.  All of nature competes for  limited resources and that is that.  No matter how subtle you make it, conflict is there. I see great amounts of hypocrisy over this simple fact.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: Icelander]
    #15188603 -

Even if resources are not limited, there is still what seems to be an inborn drive to take more than you need, instead of giving extra away to others.

It is quite foolish because conflicts arise out of dissatisfaction and yet our mind is incapable of recognizing this to its own advantage.

In this sense the mind can be considered self-destructive, because its operating system ignores the need to stay out of emotional conflicts. (not physical conflicts)

Hilarious.


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15188614 -

PatrickKn said:
Because a newborn mostly wants, and doesn't really contemplate the reasons why his wants could be considered a bad thing.


Newborns don't walk immediately but their bodies eventually develop naturally to a physical state wherein it can walk.

By your logic, I would have to believe that humans aren't naturally born/inclined to walk.....???


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15188625 -

I wouldn't exactly call the mind self destructive.  We take more than we need due to the ebb and flow of natures bounty. We have a history of famine times ingrained in us. Its death anxiety imo.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: Icelander]
    #15188665 -

Icelander said:
I wouldn't exactly call the mind self destructive.  We take more than we need due to the ebb and flow of natures bounty. We have a history of famine times ingrained in us. Its death anxiety imo.


So you believe in genetic memory??

Whatever it is, it still seems to make us hypocritical and yes I would call it self-destructive.

It doesn't recognize the simple pattern that arises when you treat particular people equally.

That is self-destructive...particularly in sexual relationships where the giving and taking isn't about concrete things like food/water/shelter, but about emotions...

You can't measure anger very easily or sadness...and from what I see the mind doesn't always recognize what suits its interests, particularly in the emotional realm...

if you believe in genetic memory then you could say we haven't mentally evolved yet to think past food/water/sex/shelter....which I think is a fundamental problem in human relationships.


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15188684 -

Do you think Lions or Deer treat each other equally?  IMO it's an emotional evolution problem. Evolution will take a long time yet to make fundamental changes in our emotional landscape.  And lets face facts, our state of mind has made us the most successful animal on the planet and it might stay that way for a long time yet.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: Icelander]
    #15190483 -

Icelander said:
Do you think Lions or Deer treat each other equally?  IMO it's an emotional evolution problem. Evolution will take a long time yet to make fundamental changes in our emotional landscape.  And lets face facts, our state of mind has made us the most successful animal on the planet and it might stay that way for a long time yet.


I disagree that we evolved from apes. I believe in the ancient alien theory to be honest. It's the best and most probable theory, especially because the fossil record does not show how our species progressed into its present state. Evolution is a theory on a macro level(concerning our development) but on a micro level its fact.

So i would disgree with that statement.

I guess I hope we will one day evolve to be more emotionally intellectual, at this point I recognize that I am pretty stuck observing emotions and their subsequent reactions.


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15190576 -

Yes we are born into conflict with each other. The wheat is separated from the chaff.


--------------------


"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15190589 -

Of course you'll have to ignore the amazing genetic similarities  and the anatomical and emotional similarities but I'm sure that poses no problem for you.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: Icelander]
    #15191121 -

I disagree that we evolved from apes.

What did we evolve from then?

I believe in the ancient alien theory to be honest. It's the best and most probable theory, especially because the fossil record does not show how our species progressed into its present state.

:orly:

Evolution is a theory on a macro level(concerning our development) but on a micro level its fact.

What?


--------------------
"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: Icelander]
    #15191247 -

Icelander said:
Of course you'll have to ignore the amazing genetic similarities  and the anatomical and emotional similarities but I'm sure that poses no problem for you.


You can't possibly be serious? Regardless of what similarities there are the claim that we evolved from apes on a macro level has yet to be proven with fossil records!!! We haven't found a transitional species.

Almost all transitional species we have found have been proven to be false misrepresentations, as in they were not a transitional species!

What? Don't tell me that you imagination is so limited that it can't be possible for a superior race of aliens to us genetic material from monkeys and use it as the basis for creating a new species???

There is plenty of evidence for that and many mysteries still as well.

Plenty of important information and discoveries have been left out of common archaeology.

Take for example, the claim that we originated out of africa and migrated to the america's not so long ago.

Why then did we find cocaine in an egyptian pharoah, a substance indigenous to the america's?? The egyptians were never proven to be a technologically advanced civilization which possesed the power to sail from africa to the america's and yet the pharoahs seem to be medicated with a plant indigenous to the America's??

Oh thats right archaeologists forgot to mention places like Tiwanaku in bolivia, a city that dates well over 10 000 years! Even the Inca's of south america said that there were not the first ones to inhabit the America's. So much obvious information gets left out its not even funny!

All you skeptics don't even know the half of it and sit there an discredit a theory based on someone's hair.


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15191291 -

Don't tell me that you imagination is so limited that it can't be possible for a superior race of aliens to us genetic material from monkeys and use it as the basis for creating a new species???

It's possible, but I've seen much more evidence for evolution than for aliens. You do realize that if aliens genetically modified us from monkeys to aliens that they would essentially be doing what evolution is doing, which is changing our genetic makeup.


--------------------
"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #15191492 -

dustinthewind13 said:
Don't tell me that you imagination is so limited that it can't be possible for a superior race of aliens to us genetic material from monkeys and use it as the basis for creating a new species???

It's possible, but I've seen much more evidence for evolution than for aliens. You do realize that if aliens genetically modified us from monkeys to aliens that they would essentially be doing what evolution is doing, which is changing our genetic makeup.


Evolutionary theory claims that we evolved from apes with intervention from any other species, only through the forces of nature. It also claims we came from Africa and there there are transitional species.

All claims yet to be proven through fossil records and contradicted through archeological evidence.


--------------------
if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15191647 -

Fossils are not the only thing that prove evolution. Evolution can be observed in species still living today. Evolution is a long term process that takes baby steps to eventually create a new species.

How do you know there aren't any fossil evidence? As far as I know, fossils are how we came up with the theory. And what archeological evidence contradicts that we originated from Africa?


--------------------
"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15191660 -

Human fossil evidence is almost impossibly rare. But there is a lot of evidence still showing evolution at work in primates over long periods of time.  Bones decay and disappear and are very difficult to come across over vast time periods.  I think what we've found so far was quite a bit of good luck. 

Of course what you say is possible.  It's also possible that the flying spaghetti monster created humans.  Or the tooth fairy. Or Elvis. :shrug:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Are we all born hypocritical? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #15194756 -

AlphaFalfa said:
I am finally working again and have so for the past month.

I drive children of ages 3 to 12 to and from school.

I came to a crossroads of thought while observing children perception of the world and thinking about generally how most adults I have encountered ruin their relationships with people through being hypocritical.

I have come to realize that we are born hypocritical, as in we tell people to do what we do not wish to do, especially when it comes to how they treat us in regards to how we treat them.

I have always been able to treat people equally or at least come somewhat close to that but I realize that when I do so I don't feel good. In fact, I feel very bad and angry to try to treat others equally and expect to get back what I have given.

I've decided to live my life like this more, depending on certain factors.

All this really raises questions like; are we born into conflict with each other??? Is it really possible to ever have a mutually beneficial relationship???

:cheers:


that's cool


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 |  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Myyco.com APE Liquid Culture For Sale

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* is humanity born into sin?
( 1 2 3 all )		 purenergy 4,855 40 09/19/03 12:24 AM
by DoctorJ
* Hypocrites and the Fear of Death?
( 1 2 all )		 DiploidM 5,339 29 08/19/06 04:02 PM
by Moonshoe
* Christmas Hypocrites *DELETED*
( 1 2 3 all )		 LunarEclipse 5,072 41 12/28/07 01:13 PM
by Icelander
* Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )		 OrgoneConclusion 9,510 166 12/23/08 11:06 PM
by deCypher
* Comparison Of Jesus-Krishna Preachings dattaswami 482 3 07/14/05 04:03 PM
by Icelander
* Who here is a hypocrite?
( 1 2 all )		 silversoul7 2,242 24 03/16/04 07:09 PM
by valour
* Born agian Christains.....
( 1 2 all )		 DiarYofaMadmaN 3,013 28 04/23/03 01:39 AM
by valour
* Is it possible to be born in the wrong place and culture?
( 1 2 all )		 PyroBurns 1,179 21 10/18/07 05:20 PM
by Huehuecoyotl

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
1,407 topic views. 1 members, 16 guests and 16 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.039 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 18 queries.