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Offlinepurenergy
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is humanity born into sin?
    #1926384 - 09/17/03 09:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

most christians believe that humanity is born sinful...but i just dont buy this. i am no more sinful than any other kind of life in this universe. why do most christians buy into this belief of guilt?


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926407 - 09/17/03 09:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Im not sinful because I don't believe in them. I'd say its just another good way to brainwash people and put fear in them.


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Offlinepurenergy
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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1926444 - 09/17/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Im not sinful because I don't believe in them.

i think your saying that you dont believe in sin...do you believe in right n wrong? i think right n wrong dont really exist, but without morals, society would fall apart. how does one go about setting personal ethics...b/c certainly society is very far from perfect...i suppose staying truthful to ones own personal integrity is the best measuring stick for ethics, i think most people agree with the 'golden rule.'


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926464 - 09/17/03 09:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)


most christians believe that humanity is born sinful...but i just dont buy this.

If sin is not natural, then where does it come from? How does
it manifest itself consistently and in every culture on Earth,
if it is not a natural and unalienable part of us?


i am no more sinful than any other kind of life in this universe. why do most christians buy into this belief of guilt?

Because the Christian teachings nail it into your head that people
are imperfect. Therefore they are destined to sin. The only way
to avoid sin as much as is possible and to receive forgiveness
is to accept the Christian God's will. Those are pretty
powerful reasons for them to believe in Mankind's proclivity for
sin.


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Offlinepurenergy
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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1926474 - 09/17/03 10:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

r u a christian?


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926502 - 09/17/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i don't buy that, but then i'm not christian and i'm not familiar with the philosophical essence of the idea.

maybe markosthegnostic can shed some light.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926510 - 09/17/03 10:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)


r u a christian?


No.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926595 - 09/17/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

We are all born with an evil that exists deep inside of us. We also have pure love in us. It's really up to the individual to maintain a postitive attitude. On my journeys I have seen that the universe is a balance between negative and positive. Christianity attempst to explain this, but it's principles are close minded. No religion can better life, only the people themselves can do it. It just takes time in life, time to experience life.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #1926623 - 09/17/03 10:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how are we born with evil inside us?


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #1926633 - 09/17/03 10:41 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

In my home island i am known as a "child of sin" because my mother conceived out of marrige. Its just what they call bastards. A little off-topic but just thought i'd share that. :wink:


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #1926662 - 09/17/03 10:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"We are all born with an evil that exists deep inside of us"

why do u think this? It is impossible to have free will without evil?


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: ]
    #1926724 - 09/17/03 11:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how are we born with evil inside us?

I kind of mean like we all have the potential to do evil things. We all have negativity within us... but also positive too. This is natural, and the church isn't going to do much help. Nature forces us sometimes to do "sins" to stay alive; nature is cold. Although I'm not saying we need to sin to stay alive. Amongst this, It's up to the people to remain positive (free from sin in a sense), not close minded books written 2000 years ago by unreliable sources.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #1926750 - 09/17/03 11:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"Nature forces us sometimes to do "sins" to stay alive; nature is cold."

could u please explain further? i heard a quote once, "the universe doesnt judge." i think nature just is, n that nothing in nature "sins," n we r part of nature, but we have free-will. what would u consider a "sin?"


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926906 - 09/18/03 12:09 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

the idea of "original sin" as believed in the christian realm is pretty absurd. if someone actually managed to live an entire life free of sin, they would still be deemed sinful!!! christians will find anyway to make people follow there beliefs. christians believe that if something evil is thought than it is equally as bad as if that evil thought was acted upon...seems pretty ridiculous to me. of course we have the ability to do evil things, with free will we can do or be anything permitted physically.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: purenergy]
    #1926986 - 09/18/03 12:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Why dont you go read the Bible for yourself, since that is the root of your question instead of taking peoples opinions at second or third hand?

Alot of you people are fucked up if you cant get past the fact that the current Laodicean church has nothing to do with true christianity.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: dpc2424]
    #1926988 - 09/18/03 12:30 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Sin doesn't exist. Nor evil in its classic sense. Freewill is a myth as well.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1927418 - 09/18/03 02:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Why dont you go read the Bible for yourself, since that is the root of your question instead of taking peoples opinions at second or third hand?

im pretty well versed with the bible....and i want to hear the peoples opinions.

the current Laodicean church has nothing to do with true christianity.

im not sure i know what your writing about...could u please get into more detail? id appreciate.


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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: Buddrow]
    #1927613 - 09/18/03 03:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

How exactly is free will a myth? Do you not have the free will to post? Walk? Breath?



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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1928141 - 09/18/03 07:09 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
If sin is not natural, then where does it come from? How does
it manifest itself consistently and in every culture on Earth,
if it is not a natural and unalienable part of us?





Hhmm... I think it comes from the minds of the people that decide to label certain actions as being "sin". It isn't sin if you don't consider it to BE sin...
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Re: is humanity born into sin? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1928145 - 09/18/03 07:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

> How exactly is free will a myth?

Simple, don't die.


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