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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443591 - 12/16/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chi is not a special ability, every one has chi running through them. That was also a different thread. Grasping at straws aren't we. In the last hour you tried bullying, applying different rules to me than yourself, drawing statements from other threads, incorrectly claiming that you can't back up your claims because "you can't prove a negative". Pathetic.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443622 - 12/16/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry, Skeptics think their methodology is the only way to discover what is true.
I am NOT Al Gore, but I have contributed in some small part to: the internet(built routers), music software, artifical intelligence, gas chromatography, satellite communications, and computers.
Seems to be a pretty damn good method.
Please share your method, what you mean by true and what you have discovered.
You are confusing building technology with discovering the truths of the universe. I helped configure and build united airlines network, including all servers, workstations, routers and switches. Whoopty fucking do.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: mushroom people]
#9443641 - 12/16/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obsfucation aside, you have no method to offer then?
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443663 - 12/16/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You do not deny that you believe you hold the only method to prove what is true. That is the whole point. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: mushroom people]
#9443688 - 12/16/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I helped configure and build united airlines network, including all servers, workstations, routers and switches. Whoopty fucking do.
I actually took pride in what I did. Sorry you find serving mankind on the physical plane to be trivial.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: mushroom people]
#9443695 - 12/16/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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How can I believe otherwise when those that claim a superior method offer nothing at all?
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443703 - 12/16/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still waiting for your answer on whether you're a skeptic when it comes to God and invisible pink unicorns.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: mushroom people]
#9443726 - 12/16/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chi is not a special ability,
So you agree that those who claim to be able to fry fish in their hands and knock others over without a touch are deluded?
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every one has chi running through them.
And you know this how?
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: deCypher]
#9443738 - 12/16/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then by your definition Cypher, a skeptic would never believe anything regardless of the thought process being it. He would just deny everything. Eventually skepticism must come to come to some sort of conclusion, or else it's just a load of contradiction.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: Jawofmalak]
#9443745 - 12/16/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jawofmalak said: Then by your definition Cypher, a skeptic would never believe anything regardless of the thought process being it. He would just deny everything.
Close, but not quite. A true skeptic would deny everything but his own existence. Everything else is unprovable.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443751 - 12/16/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I helped configure and build united airlines network, including all servers, workstations, routers and switches. Whoopty fucking do.
I actually took pride in what I did. Sorry you find serving mankind on the physical plane to be trivial.
I didn't say I don't take pride, but it hard has anything to do with finding truth.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443791 - 12/16/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: How can I believe otherwise when those that claim a superior method offer nothing at all?
The point of this discussion we are having is that born agains and skeptics both claim to have exclusivity of truth. I agree that science has a good method for technology, but on spiritual matters I think you need to throw in the towel and admit you fail at proving these things true.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: mushroom people]
#9443795 - 12/16/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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We have a thing called the Icelander Rule here on P&S. I must invoke it at this time. This is the THIRD time I am asking what your superior method is. If no reply, you must recuse yourself from this thread.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: deCypher]
#9443832 - 12/16/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If this is so, you must deny objective reality. And if you deny objective reality, then you destroy the very foundation of your arguments, reality. Skepticism is good, but when taken into an extreme everything becomes completely relative. And relativity is the very thing that skepticism is tying to stamp out. Skepticism only deals in concrete reality.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: Jawofmalak]
#9443842 - 12/16/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jawofmalak said: If this is so, you must deny objective reality. And if you deny objective reality, then you destroy the very foundation of your arguments, reality. Skepticism is good, but when taken into an extreme everything becomes completely relative. And relativity is the very thing that skepticism is tying to stamp out. Skepticism only deals in concrete reality.
According to a true skeptic, there is no such thing as objective reality--after all, I cannot be sure whether I am dreaming all of this.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443850 - 12/16/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Chi is not a special ability,
So you agree that those who claim to be able to fry fish in their hands and knock others over without a touch are deluded?
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every one has chi running through them.
And you know this how?
If we look at the concept of chi, it is not a special ability. It is frequently translated as "energy flow". As far as frying fish and knocking people down with chi, I find that a little hard to believe but not impossible. I do believe that martial artists us chi to their advantage.
How do I know it is real, because I practice Qigong, yoga. I have read many books on the subject and do not automatically declare delusional billions of people who have worked with chi for thousands of years, because mr. science can't build a meter that will measure it.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: deCypher]
#9443873 - 12/16/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then I call shenanigans and say that you yourself have now entered the world of magical ponies and turtles. If there is no concrete reality you have absolutely no reference point from which to say what is true and what is not true. The hard line skepticism you are advocating is defeating the very purpose of skepticism, to come to real answers by not blindly believing anything.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: Jawofmalak]
#9443884 - 12/16/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jawofmalak said: If there is no concrete reality you have absolutely no reference point from which to say what is true and what is not true.
Welcome to skepticism. The only thing I can be sure of is that I exist. Anything else is open to doubt.
Of course, true skepticism is seldom seen in practice. Pragmatic skeptics usually assume a few things for granted (something real skeptics do not), and then proceed to apply their skepticism from that point forward.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9443888 - 12/16/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: We have a thing called the Icelander Rule here on P&S. I must invoke it at this time. This is the THIRD time I am asking what your superior method is. If no reply, you must recuse yourself from this thread.
I don't play by your imaginary rules. I never claimed to have a superior method. This is not about me or you. This is about skeptics, born agains and new agers. I am none of the above. If you claim to be a skeptic and want to compare and contrast your methods with theirs, go ahead. I pointed out that you all believe you have exclusivity of truth. You agreed. Period. end. done. fin. peace out. au revoir. don't let the door hit you in the ass.
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Re: Why Shroomery 'Born Agains' are the worst [Re: deCypher]
#9443922 - 12/16/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you that there is a certain element of doubt in absolutely everything, but disagree in that everything is doubtful. This very conversation that we are having now is based upon the laws of logic. Else our dialogue would make very little sense to either of us. And this use of the laws of logic assumes the existence of a concrete reality. So one of two things can happen. Either there is no concrete reality and your argument is entirely irrational, or there is a concrete reality where things must be either true or false.
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