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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Poid said:
zappaisgod said:
Once again I will repeat that a life of sloth is also detrimental to your health.

Basically, you're saying that not working is necessarily detrimental to your health? Don't you know that you can not work, and still be healthy? :lol:


You can also work and be healthy.

I know; you seemed to be implying that one cannot be healthy unless they work when you said that a life of sloth is detrimental to one's health.

If that is what you were implying, then, obviously, you are fucking wrong; a person can be lazy/slothful, and still be healthy. Laziness does not necessarily cause bad health.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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I have extracted a great amount of personal joy and reaped not just financial rewards from working hard.  If your going to do something do it with all your heart.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
If your going to do something do it with all your heart.

:andyistic:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Here's part of the definition again since scrolling back seems out of the question for some:

"Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence. It is also a belief in the moral benefit of work and its ability to enhance character. An example would be the Protestant work ethic."

By the working definition, work ethic involves "hard work". I.e. long hours. Therefor it is a risk to your health if you believe a respected, refereed medical journal.


Talk about scrolling back, you're incapable of reading my response from a couple of posts up...:nonono:

Ok by that definition you are right, that definition is retarded though. Look again at what I posted,
any moron can edit wiki and that seems to be the case here. And quit barking about a working definition
it's posted on the second or third page so it's just an argument for your point of view.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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That definition came from the Wiki. It's also essentially the same definition given by reference.com, thefreedictionary.com, and merriam-webster.com.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/work+ethic
a belief in the moral benefit and importance of work and its inherent ability to strengthen character.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/work+ethic
(Philosophy) a belief in the moral value of work (often in the phrase Protestant work ethic)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work%2Bethic
: a belief in work as a moral good

Ok by that definition you are right, that definition is retarded though.

The thing that is retarded here is your opinion.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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You know there are no retarded opinions...or defintions for that matter, right?...:datass:

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Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence.


This part I disagree with find retarded, the definitions u posted hardly
include it...so what's your point?

As I see it you get work ethic confused with protestant ethic.

Also here is again a link that pretty much sums up how I see work ethic: work ethic


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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Also here is again a link that pretty much sums up how I see work ethic

Except that this is my thread I started to discuss the definition I gave, not the one you have in mind. You are welcome to start your own thread with your own definition. This one's already taken.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Dude, chill...I'll get out of your thread if you go all butthurt
about loosing an argument...

And you gave the definition on the 3rd page, so that doesn't really count...


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Also here is again a link that pretty much sums up how I see work ethic

Except that this is my thread I started to discuss the definition I gave, not the one you have in mind. You are welcome to start your own thread with your own definition. This one's already taken.


Are we redefining the term 'work ethic' to suit our purposes?
I'm skeptical about the validity of defining a word so that it fits ones argument, sounds like an extension of circular logic.


As far as the idea you're purporting, of simply working hard and making sacrifices for your job (over time, holidays) - my opinion on whether this is a positive or negative thing depends on the individual's motivation.

A lot of people are stuck in dead end jobs and have to sacrifice just to keep the shitty job.

On the other hand a lot of people are either self employed or have a job they love and enjoy the work or what they're working for. In these cases making sacrifices and working over time seems positive. For example, I'm a musician. My job involves sitting around on drugs playing guitar, I do overtime and holidays - and I like it.



As far as an actual personal moral code based on working hard, it seems to be a good thing to me as long as the playing field is level and the individual is getting the return they work for.
Most people I know, work too long and hard with a fractional return. Many but not most, are on the positive side of the scale.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: ahchela]
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Are we redefining the term 'work ethic' to suit our purposes?

No, we're using the definition given by at least four authoritative sources.

But even if I decided to, for the purposes of this thread, define work ethic as a green booger, so what? It's my thread. My definition. My topic. We're discussing what I propose, no matter what that is.

You can start a thread of your own if you don't like mine. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid] * 1
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No PSP thread is complete wihtout lame-ass definition arguments. :thumbup:


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Define "definition". :razz:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Quote:
And you still haven't spent any time dealing with the fact that a work ethic is not restricted to putting in long hours working for other people.


I agree with this.  And earlier in this thread, someone said you are "selfish" if you work for yourself.  Apparently there are people who think that working for a corporation is the Highest Level of Good.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said:
You can't really read, can you? Where does it say that you are a sucker
if you do your best at a shitty job in what you just quoted?

And the employer cares very much about your hard work because you are working
for him and he is giving you his money for that work, so naturally he wants the
most he can get, if you're expecting hugs an kisses, then yeah...fuck those guys.

Also here is what I think about the matter:

13.step said:
Kid_Orgo said:
Weltall said:
I always thought work ethic was the want and willingness to do a job and do it correctly to the best of your own ability.


To me, work ethic is taking the time and effort to "do it right," whatever that may mean in any context.

I don't cut corners on tasks, I hate it when people do. While I might not always get it right, it won't be for lack of trying on my part.

Same feeling applies for a job.

Maybe it's shameful to be a working "sheeple," but I think being bad at your job or not trying are more shameful.

It might be a bit different because I'm an engineer and there is professional pride (and people's lives) at stake, but I'd like to think I'd be just as dedicated if I was a cashier, being friendly and ringing up people's groceries.

EDIT: Showing up on time every day looking nice, too. It says "I give a fuck about what I do here, the money you're paying me isn't wasted"



This.

I don't get it why you equate work ethic with having to work jobs you don't like
for people you don't like. That's just sucking at life, not work ethics fault you
dirty commies...:hehehe:

Would you say fuck work ethics if you had your own business and the amount and quality
of work was directly proportional to your income? Maybe that's why ya'll got shitty jobs...



I didn't say work ethic means you have to work jobs you don't like for people you don't like.  Maybe YOU have reading comprehension problems.  I think that work ethic means doing the best you can, EVEN IN a shitty job.  I didn't say I have a shitty job now, I said I have workED (past tense) at shitty jobs.  That was because I wasn't born to rich parents.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Diploid said:
Are we redefining the term 'work ethic' to suit our purposes?

No, we're using the definition given by at least four authoritative sources.

But even if I decided to, for the purposes of this thread, define work ethic as a green booger, so what? It's my thread. My definition. My topic. We're discussing what I propose, no matter what that is.

You can start a thread of your own if you don't like mine. :shrug:


This is a strange argument, but whatever.
By your definition, work ethic being tied to some sense of morality...
Morality is extremely subjective... so speaking in the basic universal terms of morality, work ethic would probably be neutral.

As far as personal, I think that would depend what you get out of your job. Doing something that has meaning to you, could tie it in morally.

My own work doesn't have much to do with morality, so I would say its irrelevant. Though a lot of hard work is required to get anything done in the field or really enjoy it, it has nothing to do with morality.

If you were a doctor in an ER then I could see how morality would be tied in, if someone's life is in your hands you'll probably feel a strong sense of responsibility.



OrgoneConclusion said:
No PSP thread is complete wihtout lame-ass definition arguments. :thumbup:


It is pretty boring.


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Edited by ahchela (04/06/11 08:49 PM)

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: ahchela]
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By your definition, work ethic being tied to some sense of morality...

Also by Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_ethic
"a belief in the moral benefit of work and its ability to enhance character"

And also by reference.com: by http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/work+ethic
"a belief in the moral benefit and importance of work and its inherent ability to strengthen character."

And also by free dictionary.com: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/work+ethic
"a belief in the moral value of work (often in the phrase Protestant work ethic)"

And even by Merriam Webster. You know. Those people who write dictionaries for aliving?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work%2Bethic
"a belief in work as a moral good"


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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I stand corrected, looks like every dictionary I can find says that.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Once again I will repeat that a life of sloth is also detrimental to your health.

Once again, I agree. But the definition of LACK OF WORK ETHIC is not to be a sloth. The definition (for purposes of this thread and posted near the top) is to not do more than a competent job. Hence your sloth comment is a strawman.

Why is that so hard?


If that's your attitude, you're probably living very slothfully.  The point of this thread is anti-work ethic and it is a very fine line between that attitude and outright laziness.

Do I need to post a study about that?

Quote:
You are debating something not on the table (sloth and welfare) and shooting it down as if it's something I put forth. That's a strawman by definition.


somebody call the waaaaambulance  :cryariver:


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: HippieChick8] * 1
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HippieChick8 said:
zappaisgod said:
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And you still haven't spent any time dealing with the fact that a work ethic is not restricted to putting in long hours working for other people.


I agree with this.  And earlier in this thread, someone said you are "selfish" if you work for yourself.  Apparently there are people who think that working for a corporation is the Highest Level of Good.


No shit?! People actually have different preferences? Why that's outrageous! :snub:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: MushroomTrip]
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this whole thread is unethical


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