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Re: Work Ethic [Re: SheerTerror]
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No...I see work ethic as a set of values by which you guide your
work by, they are generally positive ones in regard to amount and
quality of work.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but work ethic doesn't mean working hard,
as much as it means respecting your job and doing it the best you
can, now if your work is fixing cars, and the employers tells you
to cut corners, and that conflicts with your work ethic, wouldn't
you leave that job and thus lose money (hypothetically speaking)

Zappa what the hell are you talking about?


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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That everybody here seems to think the only work you can do is as an employee of some giant faceless conglomerate.  Sad.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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What does pointing out that sloth is also unhealthful have to do with a straw man?

That I'm not talking about sitting on asses or collecting welfare checks. I'm talking about doing your job competently and nothing more than that.

I even gave a working definition that included nothing about sitting on asses or welfare checks. You made up that strawman, then shot it down as if it has anything to do with the price of tea.

Maybe you should reread the definition.

Maybe you should reread this thread. I gave the working definition for the purposes of this thread quoted directly from Wiki.

Is this a reading comprehension problem? I can't help you with that.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Here's a better look at what work ethic mean IMO: linkylink

That wiki page seems written by a dirty hippie...


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
What does pointing out that sloth is also unhealthful have to do with a straw man?

That I'm not talking about sitting on asses or collecting welfare checks. I'm talking about doing your job competently and nothing more than that.

I even gave a working definition that included nothing about sitting on asses or welfare checks. You made up that strawman, then shot it down as if it has anything to do with the price of tea.


The link of yours I responded to was some asinine study about working long hours being a health threat.  So is sitting on your big fat ass all day doing nothing.  You brought up the health issue.  Take your beating like a man.
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Maybe you should reread the definition.

Maybe you should reread this thread. I gave the working definition for the purposes of this thread quoted directly from Wiki.

Is this a reading comprehension problem? I can't help you with that.


No, I suspect that there aren't many comprehension issues you can help with.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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So is sitting on your big fat ass all day

Except that the working definition for "lack of work ethics" we're using says nothing about sitting on asses or welfare checks. It's about not doing more than a competent job. Hence your made up strawman definition for lack of work ethic that is not on the table.

some asinine study about working long hours being a health threat

So you disagree that working long hours is a health threat?? Are you joking?

What part of that study is faulty that you characterize it as "asinine"?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
some asinine study about working long hours being a health threat

So you disagree that working long hours is a health thread?? Are you joking?

You mean health threat, right?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Poid]
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Nah I'm pretty sure he meant:




Given the fragile nature of his argument and all...


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Poid]
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Damned speel checker.

Here's more on the study published in that "asinine" refereed medical journal Annals of Internal Medicine:

April 5, 2011 -- People who work 11 hours or more on a daily basis may be at increased risk of developing coronary heart disease, a British study indicates.

The researchers note that doctors often use information from the Framingham Risk Score, which identifies common factors of heart disease, to predict a patient’s 10-year risk of developing coronary heart disease.

This score includes risk factors such as age, sex, cholesterol levels, blood pressure, and smoking habits, but not psychosocial factors such as daily work hours.

Scientists at University College London studied data on 7,095 civil service workers between the ages of 39 and 62, who at the beginning of the research project in 1991-92 showed no signs of coronary heart disease after a medical examination.

The participants were screened for coronary heart disease every five years until 2004. The researchers found that adding information about the participants’ work habits to standard data used in the Framingham risk score modestly improved prediction of people who would develop coronary heart disease.

According to the researchers, adults who said they worked 11 hours a day or longer had a 67% higher risk for developing coronary heart disease than people putting in seven or eight hours a day.

After a median of 12.3 years, 192 of the participants had been diagnosed with coronary heart disease.
Tracking Heart Risk

The study was based on data from the British Whitehall II study, an examination of British civil servants that was established in 1985 to identify characteristics of a working environment and health-related risk behaviors.

Participants, more likely to be men and younger, were between 49 and 53.6 years of age. They filled out questionnaires to record working hours.

According to the study:

* 54% of the participants worked seven hours a day.
* 10.4% worked 11 hours or more.

The researchers say they were able to demonstrate that long working hours, when added to Framingham risk scores, better predicted coronary heart disease and death.

Because long working hours are common, the study has important implications, according to the researchers. They say incorporating information on working data in their assessments of patients may help doctors do a better job of evaluating people with coronary heart disease.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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OK, and the correlation with work ethic is...?


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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Here's part of the definition again since scrolling back seems out of the question for some:

"Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence. It is also a belief in the moral benefit of work and its ability to enhance character. An example would be the Protestant work ethic."

By the working definition, work ethic involves "hard work". I.e. long hours. Therefor it is a risk to your health if you believe a respected, refereed medical journal.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Once again I will repeat that a life of sloth is also detrimental to your health.  Do I need to post a study about that?

I see you have abandoned your "straw man" nonsense.  And you still haven't spent any time dealing with the fact that a work ethic is not restricted to putting in long hours working for other people.  Some people work hard for themselves.  What a concept! 
I'm glad you're happy with doing nothing.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Here's part of the definition again since scrolling back seems out of the question for some:

"Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence. It is also a belief in the moral benefit of work and its ability to enhance character. An example would be the Protestant work ethic."

By the working definition, work ethic involves "hard work". I.e. long hours. Therefor it is a risk to your health if you believe a respected, refereed medical journal.


sure, work ethic might be detrimental to your health, but what is 'health' when you're destined to die? in such a dilemma, happiness through work ethic might be a far more purposeful route rather than maintaining 'health' from doing nothing. work ethic requires attaching a purpose to something. such an investment in time and sweat creates a deep metaphysical bond between the worker and his work. it becomes a mean to an end. achieving our goals is a very healthy way to maintain our mental health.


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Hasta siempre, comandante.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: meatcakeman]
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Indeed.  There is always the "life worth living" question.  Not in regards to what anybody else values but strictly in terms of what the liver perceives.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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Once again I will repeat that a life of sloth is also detrimental to your health.

Once again, I agree. But the definition of LACK OF WORK ETHIC is not to be a sloth. The definition (for purposes of this thread and posted near the top) is to not do more than a competent job. Hence your sloth comment is a strawman.

Why is that so hard?

Do I need to post a study about that?

No one is disputing that. What I'm disputing is your characterization of a study demonstrating that working long hours is harmful to your health. You called it "asinine".

So if that study is "asinine", tell me in what way. What is faulty about that study that renders it "asinine"?

And you still haven't spent any time dealing with the fact that a work ethic is not restricted to putting in long hours working for other people.

JE-ZUS!

It is the WORKING DEFINITION FOR THIS THREAD. If you want to start another thread with another definition for work ethic, be my guest. I started this thread on the premise that the POSTED DEFINITION from Wiki early in the thread IS the topic on the table. THAT is the definition we're discussing, NOT something else you made up. That is your straw man.

You are debating something not on the table (sloth and welfare) and shooting it down as if it's something I put forth. That's a strawman by definition.

Why is this so hard?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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1.  According to the definition you linked to, no, it isn't what you say it is but all fucking right it will rest.

2.  The title of this thread is simply "Work Ethic".  You have made several posts positing that you think working hard is for schmucks. 

3.  You should get some exercise.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Once again I will repeat that a life of sloth is also detrimental to your health.

Basically, you're saying that not working is necessarily detrimental to your health? Don't you know that you can not work, and still be healthy? :lol:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
zappaisgod said:
Once again I will repeat that a life of sloth is also detrimental to your health.

Basically, you're saying that not working is necessarily detrimental to your health? Don't you know that you can not work, and still be healthy? :lol:


You can also work and be healthy.  Can Poid follow a point?  Or does Poid only jump in and comment out of context?


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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Poid is Poid.

:poid:


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:fbsnugs::fbsnugs::fbsnugs:
Hasta siempre, comandante.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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2.  The title of this thread is simply "Work Ethic".  You have made several posts positing that you think working hard is for schmucks.

Well, you got me there. The title could have been better. And though I didn't exactly say that working hard is for schmucks, that's close enough and I stand by it.

If I worked, I would do it competently, but I would do no more than that. I think I'd be the better off for it. I read in the paper every day about people who worked their ass off and are now being evicted after being laid off by the employer they gave so much to.

Not that I fault the employer necessarily. But when it comes time to lose money or let someone go, employers will (sometimes reluctantly) let someone go, work ethic or not. So work ethic (beyond competent performance) counts for little with me.

3.  You should get some exercise.

Where are you getting this? I'm in excellent shape.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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