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Re: Work Ethic [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Diploid said:
Plenty of people are born into wealth and never work a day in their life, unless you're counting the tennis court at the country club as work.


these people get fucked karmically.  There's absolutely no way to be happy on this world if you aren't honest with yourself and able to stay in the moment.  But hey, they might have been born with less karmic requirements and in that cause their work will be very different then the kind of work you're generally referring to.

That's why children of comfort and privilege often make really good artists...spirituality and art do require leisure time in many respects.


You say that people who have been born as rich people and don't have to work get fucked karma as implying that those wo work hard do not get fucked karma?

I know a person who has worked her entire life, only to have no wealth. Constant nervousness and sadness.

Then there are the ones who are born rich, but work hard, have good education and become something good. And then there are those who are not born rich and work hard, get education and become something as good or even better. The question is, which one is better? The latter has to work a lot harder, he has to work hard even to get his basic privileges, what the other already has. So any one of those who say that everyone is somehow equal and has to work hard, is not ultimately right.

It is true, that artists need to be free from certain constraints. But ultimate artistry comes from ultimate experience, limitations and ways to prevent those limitations.
In Victorian era, for example, there were many artists, and most of them came from rather wealthy families, there are not many artists noted as being born poor. However, only few of those artists turned out to be great. Then again, artistic beauty and wittiness is very subjective thing and it can not be measured, so statistics really does not apply in this one. And there were some rich exceptions like Grimshaw etc. Van Gough was poor, very poor, and eventually he went completely insane, probably from lack of nutrition in hand with events that crafted his psychological mind.
It is noted that young independent students are most creative people, and the best works always come from people who are young and studing, going through hardships and lack of proper nutrition. Small starvation expands the possibilities of mind, and creative thinking comes out. When your stomach is full, you become lazy and sleepy.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Simms]
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Simms said:
guruu said:
Diploid said:
Plenty of people are born into wealth and never work a day in their life, unless you're counting the tennis court at the country club as work.


these people get fucked karmically.  There's absolutely no way to be happy on this world if you aren't honest with yourself and able to stay in the moment.  But hey, they might have been born with less karmic requirements and in that cause their work will be very different then the kind of work you're generally referring to.

That's why children of comfort and privilege often make really good artists...spirituality and art do require leisure time in many respects.


It is noted that young independent students are most creative people, and the best works always come from people who are young and studing, going through hardships and lack of proper nutrition.


Do you have a source to back this statement up?

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: HippieChick8]
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Yeah, I have seen an actual study that concludes this. But currently I am too distracted to search it up. Meanwhile flush my words if you have to, I came here to give some input, not to gain right.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Simms]
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Everybody knows that bipolars are the most creative people,
bipolars and homosexuals....:awesomenod:

For a thread with the title work ethic there is far to little
about work ethic inside...:shrug:


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said:
Everybody knows that bipolars are the most creative people,
bipolars and homosexuals....:awesomenod:

For a thread with the title work ethic there is far to little
about work ethic inside...:shrug:


Well, 13.step, cynical bastard, there are actually people who think that work ethic does not have to be about working for an EMPLOYER.  Maybe you can enlighten everybody as to why worker for an employer is superior to working for oneself?

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: HippieChick8]
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:facepalm:

You just opened your brain and poured everything that came out over your keyboard,
am I right? 'cause that's what I've been saying all along...
                                                                        :kingcrankey:


My last post was a remark about how this thread is more about who you do the
work for and why than how you do your work...


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said:
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I said some people don't know what work ethic means because they think
it's that thing that makes you be a sucker at a shitty job...

Diploid - who do you think gets laid off first if they have to let go
of somebody? The guy that works his ass off...or someone like you
who is sticking it to the man...



I saw this earlier in the thread.  I don't think someone is a sucker or a sheeple for working at a shitty job and doing the best they can.  I've worked at many shitty jobs in my life and did the best I could. 

What I think makes someone a sheeple is anyone who thinks that the employer actually gives a damn about your hard work and has your best interests at heart.  An employer thinks about his own best interests.  I think that people just need to be vigilant and not rely solely on their work ethic as it relates to their employer.  Have a back up plan in case the employer lays you off.  It depends where you live also.  Here in Texas, being in the good ol' boy network is actually more important than work ethic.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: HippieChick8]
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You can't really read, can you? Where does it say that you are a sucker
if you do your best at a shitty job in what you just quoted?

And the employer cares very much about your hard work because you are working
for him and he is giving you his money for that work, so naturally he wants the
most he can get, if you're expecting hugs an kisses, then yeah...fuck those guys.

Also here is what I think about the matter:

13.step said:
Kid_Orgo said:
Weltall said:
I always thought work ethic was the want and willingness to do a job and do it correctly to the best of your own ability.


To me, work ethic is taking the time and effort to "do it right," whatever that may mean in any context.

I don't cut corners on tasks, I hate it when people do. While I might not always get it right, it won't be for lack of trying on my part.

Same feeling applies for a job.

Maybe it's shameful to be a working "sheeple," but I think being bad at your job or not trying are more shameful.

It might be a bit different because I'm an engineer and there is professional pride (and people's lives) at stake, but I'd like to think I'd be just as dedicated if I was a cashier, being friendly and ringing up people's groceries.

EDIT: Showing up on time every day looking nice, too. It says "I give a fuck about what I do here, the money you're paying me isn't wasted"



This.

I don't get it why you equate work ethic with having to work jobs you don't like
for people you don't like. That's just sucking at life, not work ethics fault you
dirty commies...:hehehe:

Would you say fuck work ethics if you had your own business and the amount and quality
of work was directly proportional to your income? Maybe that's why ya'll got shitty jobs...



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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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I guess I would say that someone who makes work their play( e.g. an enthusiastic hobbyist), will be better off in mind and body than someone who has a less fruitful type of play (e.g. playing first-person shooters).

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Simms]
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Well everybody is different obviously, and some people have it worse than others.  Plenty of people work hard their whole lives and aren't happy.  I'm just sayin, we are all born with dues that we have to pay, and there's no way around that.  It's different for everybody.  But just because you are born into a rich and comfortable life doesn't mean you don't have dues to pay (karma). You could very easily still have internal barriers or whatever that need to be worked through.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Apparently, too much work ethic can kill ya: :eek:

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By: Joey Davis

Racking up overtime at work may not be worth it when it comes to your health, according to a recent study.

Researchers at UCL (University College London) found that people who work an 11-hour day increase their risk of heart disease by 67% compared to their co-workers who work a standard seven or eight hours.

In the study, 7,095 British civil servants aged between 39 and 62 were tracked over an 11 year span. During that time, 192 participants suffered a heart attack.

Those who worked 11 hours or more a day were 67% more likely to suffer a heart attack thank those working fewer hours.

Researchers, who published the findings in Annals of Internal Medicine, say the findings could be useful to general practitioners when calculating a patient's risk of heart disease when factoring in other indicators such as blood pressure, diabetes and smoking habits.

ABC News


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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So can sitting on your fat ass all day doing nothing but collecting your welfare check.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Apparently, too much work ethic can kill ya: :eek:



by my understanding of "ethic,"  it is your personal values, so it isn't exactly a quantity. It's just a person's own set of morals or philosophy pertaining to work.


So a certain set of values can kill you. That's why my work ethic includes that some things are just not worth killing yourself over.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: zappaisgod]
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So can sitting on your fat ass all day doing nothing but collecting your welfare check.

Do you know what a Straw Man Fallacy is?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
So can sitting on your fat ass all day doing nothing but collecting your welfare check.

Do you know what a Straw Man Fallacy is?


Yes.  Do you?  Maybe you should reread the definition.  What does pointing out that sloth is also unhealthful have to do with a straw man?  Or were you referring to your own post?


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Maybe you should reread the definition of work ethic


So we can avoid stupid arguments about how being a sucker at your job is bad for you.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
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Well without a college education there ain't much for work opportunities unlike maybe the 1940s. Entry level jobs are $7.00 an hour, 40 hours a week. I once got a good job as welder at a major factory in the area and they paid $8.00 an hour, $240 a week. This is how it is currently in America is there ain't much out there for work opportunities and the cost of living continues to rise. So it just leaves work ethic and working multiple jobs to afford rent.

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Re: Work Ethic [Re: SheerTerror]
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Work ethic can actually cost you money...

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said:
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Maybe you should reread the definition of work ethic


So we can avoid stupid arguments about how being a sucker at your job is bad for you.


If I work hard and start my own company and keep working hard to grow it who's the sucker?  Such diminished expectations from all the little boys and girls.  Too bad.  So many pity parties, so little time.


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said:
Work ethic can actually cost you money...




How could good work ethic cost money? You mean by a injury at work? Wouldn't you just claim disability, unemployment and workman's comp?

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