Ahimsa said:

Chronic777 said:

I'll say it once more...

The ocean includes all the waves

This 'inclusiveness' is compassion

---

But you are not including the waves, you just want to be the ocean!
You talk but there is no feeling in what you say.
You use perfect logic constructs but they only reduce everything to one thing.
And that one thing is your overvalued and overrated exagerated clinging to 'awareness', 'being' or whatever you call it.
Prove me wrong and debate the possibility of what i say. Dare to show yourself, the part you are neglecting...

Me think you are using a meditative super-state of consciousness to avoid your feelings.
Why do you avoid expanding and do you always contract into 'awareness' only?
What is your fear about feelings, about the content of awareness?
Why only the best? What is wrong everything else?
Chronic is it possible that your enlightenment is preventing your enlightenment so to speak?

---

Icelander said:

Me think you are using a meditative super-state of consciousness to avoid your feelings

While I don't know if Chronic is doing this, having lived around and worked with many folk on the spiritual path I have come to this conclusion about many of them. Feelings are very messy, to be fully human is very messy and often feels downright uncomfortable. It is tempting to clean it all up with emptiness.

---

Cool!

In a way the search for all this starts when we try to avoid certain feelings, to want to understand how to really be happy, which of course entails an avoidance of suffering
Most start meditating because they want to avoid suffering the mind, to stabalize & simply be happy, in a way it feels natural to be happy & unatural to be mentally suffering

What can be seen & understood in meditation is that its the avoiding things that is feeding more into them.
So yes the search starts to avoid suffering, but it ends in full acceptance of it all

You see im not saying ignore the things in the ocean, or to avoid them, im saying stop avoiding them
To really stabalize in this Ocean, in yourself, we have to stop all avoidance
Particularly the avoidance of death/suffering

Saying you have to 'deal' with your emotions & feelings is trying to sort them out, rearrange them, avoiding some & aiming for others
When you can simply let them go & set them free to express

Trying to do so much is what got our minds in this clutter in the first place
Awareness is all about letting go & not doing so much, relaxing a bit perhaps

Isit really such an insane statement to say this universe unfolds as it will, let it do its thang...

Quote:

You use perfect logic constructs but they only reduce everything to one thing.

---

That is perfect logic IMO

Lakefingers said:

I knew I could hit your G-spot, the problem is you just never explicitly tell us how.

You so have to learn to communicate better, redgreenvines.

---

redgreenvines said:

the souvenirs you bring back are what just happened, but those souvenirs are also emptiness.

---