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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: dirtworshipper]
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He often said things like "I know nothing"


I thought that was Sgt Schultz on Hogan's Heroes...


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: eve69]
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All religion is nothing but poison...even Buddhism.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: psyka]
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psyka said:
Where did you get that quote? I can't seem to find it in any of the sutta's or sutra's.


I got it from a book on the TV sitcom Seinfeld, "Seinfeld and Psychology"


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
All religion is nothing but poison...even Buddhism.


I must agree. However that quote had nothing to do with the Buddhist religion but were the (alleged) words of Buddha.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: Icelander]
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I havn't posted here in ages, and I just stopped by and saw this thread and figured I'd throw in my input:

All these people, Buddha, maybe Christ, you know, any supposedly "high being", all these religions etc. are all about YOU waking up NOW. The words they say are not the point. Buddha sees that you get caught up in your games, your stories about the world, so he tells you, he tells everyone around him who is asking him for help, "Hey man, you are causing your own suffering! You gotta stop your games! If you want some help, here's an approach that might work! But in the end, the teachings are like a raft. When you've crossed the river, you don't carry the raft on your shoulders, you leave it behind."

So, all the teachings are to make you realize that from the very beginning you are free. All the teachers are just doing their best, using your language, teaching their teachings, to wake you up!

It's not about dogma. It's not about belief. It's about skillful means so that you can get over yourself, get over your limited view of the world, get over your attachments, get over your fantasies about the world, including your fantasies about Buddhism or Christianity or whatever.

Anyone who says that the so-called "religion" of buddhism, or probably christianity or anything else, is about anything other than waking you up to the reality of your life, is just misinformed, spreading false dharma, preaching delusion. Anyone who holds to the doctrine as an end, as the most important thing, is missing the point entirely.

These are some of my thoughts.

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: psyka]
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Buddha was full of shit, and he knew it, why don't you? :smile:


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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Your post is quite obviously Buddhist in approach, but that approach - a fully realized eschatology - belongs only to certain forms of Gnostic Christianity or pseudo-Gnostic Christianity such as the Gospel According to Thomas. Christianity, by-and-large, is a form of Greek mythology with a hint of Hebrew midrash still retained. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox Christianity are entirely vested in the words, stories and alleged historical forms of their religion. Salvation to historical human beings is going to come through historical theophanies like the Second Coming of Jesus, the Rapture, etc. not about waking up. Only Eastern Orthodoxy has the idea of 'theosis' as the pinnacle of human development - becoming God essentially, but grace is absolutely necessary. That's OK, for Buddhists, karma is beyond the control of the ego as well. I agree with your stance, but it is really not the take of mainstream Christianity.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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I wholeheartedly agree ! :thumbup:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:
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He often said things like "I know nothing"


I thought that was Sgt Schultz on Hogan's Heroes...


Shave the moustache, swap the uniform for an orange robe and - voila!


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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Good point markos.

I should be more careful about putting words into other people's (or in this case religion's) mouths.

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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Markos, you fail to recognize the multiplicity of new Christian faiths for which awakening to spirit is the key value, and also Second Coming. These are newly formed faiths with no historical precident. Created through personal interpretation of scripture.

It's nice, and fairly scholarly to ascribe historical values to streams of thought. It's neat and tidy. However, humans are largely irrational and the spiritual as it deals exclusively with the paradoxical nature of man's existance as cought in the crux of dualisms at all times, spirituality is not about history, precedent, scripture, or anything else that objectify it. Spirituality just is, like being hungry or thirsty. One can talk cuisine and mixology all they desire but people will eat and drink as they are merely able, each to their taste, and there will be restaurants hopefully to serve all. There will be absolutely no point in the discussion as people are chowing down, except to accentuate the differences of the foods and enliven the tastes.

Religion is as served to humans, like fast food. Discuss precedent all you like. It makes little difference and enhances the flavor little, but religion serves to fill some hunger. Others will find their cuisine where they will.

Obviously I can discuss the hamburger and show how ground beef was a German inventions (not ironic I suppose, considering). And then I can discuss how the sandwich was a French thing, and how Americans put the two together (that was all made up) and sped up the process, adding some country elements like grilling, and Bam, Now we think we know we're cooking and we know what it's all about. Right?


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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: eve69]
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When young, I aspired to become a graduate of the school of mixology.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: Icelander]
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I am sitting here eating a bowl of soup. The circumstances of eating it are not all that perfect. I am alone. I prefer to eat with others. It's also leftover soup. Which while sometimes it's better than firsttime soup, this isn't the case. Also, I didn't have other ingredients to add more to suit my tastes. I was hungry so I am eating it. It is good howeverm spicy and hot. So I can eat it. But as I do it takes a bit of effort to want to fill my stomach, and I am thinking that when I eat really really good soup I want to stick it in my face and more of it, without reservation, without thought, without noticing much besides what is in front of me.


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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: eve69]
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I declare you enlightened grasshopper.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: Icelander]
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I'll have some Enlightenment on Rye, with a side of Understanding and a Biggie Sized Amen, oooh, and I have a coupon for a free 42oz cup of Bullshit?

Whats that, you say thats the Religious Extra Value Meal?

Sure, hell, I'll have three, I'm kinda hungry!


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: justamonkey]
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That's McDonald's dollar menu.


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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: Icelander]
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On a personal note:

He refused to initiate women out of fear for the celibacy of his monks - who then wound up gay instead.
- The Razor's Edge / Rajneesh 1987


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To fly to the sun without burning a wing , and lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing - In Search of the Lost Chord / The Moody Blues - 1968

But for a tree to grow to the sky, it's roots must go to the very depths of hell itself - Tantra,the Supreme Understanding - osho / Only One Sky -rajneesh

Edited by 2sky (01/09/08 01:34 PM)

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: 2sky]
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Happy gay?:rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: 2sky]
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2sky said:
On a personal note:

He refused to initiate women out of fear for the celibacy of his monks - who then wound up gay instead.
- The Razor's Edge / Rajneesh 1987


If he's talking about the Buddha, then that's just bullshit. He set the precedent of allowing women to be initiated. At first he wouldn't let them, but he was eventually convinced by Ananda. Hence today there are monks and nuns.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Buddha (560-480B.C.E.) [Re: dblaney]
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So then their were happy gays and lesbians?:)


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To fly to the sun without burning a wing , and lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing - In Search of the Lost Chord / The Moody Blues - 1968

But for a tree to grow to the sky, it's roots must go to the very depths of hell itself - Tantra,the Supreme Understanding - osho / Only One Sky -rajneesh

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