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The Truth about the Buddha..
    #2144168 - 11/29/03 12:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So what's the historical evidence on this guy ?
I mean no offense to Buddhists, but how do we know
he wasn't the equivilant of Casteneda or other
contemporarty gurus who claim to KNOW ?
I mean perhaps he got tired of the ascetism and
decided to cash in on peoples misery...
after all he was held in high esteem by his followers
who would feed him etc...


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2144188 - 11/29/03 01:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Me and the Buddha used to drink together a lot. I gave him a few keys to some knowledge, he pretty much knew what was what after that.
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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2144249 - 11/29/03 02:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The same could be said about any religious figure.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2144389 - 11/29/03 03:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

From what I understand, we have the most information on Buddha than most other gurus. We know where he was born, what he did, where he went, what he learned, where he gave lectures, when he died, etc. etc.

If you are suggesting that he was a fruad, it doesn't matter.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2144880 - 11/29/03 06:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah yeah yeah, so you broke bread and he drank your blood? And all was goood? LOL! Well, i drank some beer last night, not quite wine, but its close enough. I dont know what i learned. Why did buddha fast then? Did you feel like he was ignorning you by not eating or drinking?


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2144887 - 11/29/03 06:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Buddha wasnt enlightened, enlightenment in the buddhist sense is all fantasy. Buddha was compassionate though, and he saw how people suffered so much, so he devised a little fantasy world for them to help them with all their problems.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2144913 - 11/29/03 06:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Positronius said:
Buddha wasnt enlightened, enlightenment in the buddhist sense is all fantasy. Buddha was compassionate though, and he saw how people suffered so much, so he devised a little fantasy world for them to help them with all their problems.




yea, kinda seems like that...
perhaps he wasn't a fraud in the sense of trying to gain
something materialistic, but perhaps he "devised a little
fantasy world", as u put it, to try to help people...


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2144935 - 11/29/03 06:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i have a world that is not really real, but that doesnt mean that it couldnt be one day. Set some realistic goals, work towards it, whats so hocus pocus about that? You could argue the methodology, but i think there are some very worthwile prinicples to be learned.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2144939 - 11/29/03 06:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

buddha did this. buddha didn't do that.  heh, the less we know the better. and it is the less we know

but on topic, man you'll know just as much as I know about buddha.  go look it up there's tons of places, go to a library.  those places rock, expecially for research.  not trying to harp on you or nothing jsut the question took me off guard you see :cool: 


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2145023 - 11/29/03 07:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

All history that's older than 2,000 years can only be proven based on conjecture and the reference of the time's authors. Sri Buddha Siddartha Gautama Shakyamuni is very well substantated by many accounts of his life from many places and they pretty much all agree. The reason for this is that the historical Buddha taught for about 50 years to countless thousands of persons including many of the wealthy of the day. And he also set up monastic institutions and administered them including prescribing and proscribing rules of conduct. He was very very specific in most every circumstance including his four noble truths and thoughts on dependant origination, as well as his dissertations on karma. Buddha was very enlightened, and people make fun of him and his techings and guess what they slide deeper into misery. Buddha taught how to break free through right action and creating more beneficial causes of action to overturn negative habitula tendencies. Plus he was compassionate.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2145039 - 11/29/03 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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lucid said:
Quote:

Positronius said:
Buddha wasnt enlightened, enlightenment in the buddhist sense is all fantasy. Buddha was compassionate though, and he saw how people suffered so much, so he devised a little fantasy world for them to help them with all their problems. 




yea, kinda seems like that...
perhaps he wasn't a fraud in the sense of trying to gain
something materialistic, but perhaps he "devised a little
fantasy world", as u put it, to try to help people... 





SOMEHOW, my friend i just KNEW you'd bite into that last post you responded to both hook line and sinker(here's an interesting question: why do they provide 3 options of guillibility then only offer BOTH as an option? :grin: well this IS S & P after all :wink: )......there is so much i could say but i'ma getting a nosebleed attempting to breathe the rarified air of S & P(no offence meant to anyone) so it's back to OTD for me :grin: 


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #2145157 - 11/29/03 08:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

kaiowas: actually I have read all of the buddhist texts, and that is the conclusion I have come to.

"buddha did this. buddha didn't do that. heh, the less we know the better. and it is the less we know"

the less we know the better? bullshit. I dont prescribe to buddhist mysticism, so I am taking a rational approach to his teachings. He was a human, not a god. He was a very intelligent human at that, one of the first psychologists, he discovered what caused humanities suffering, so he devised a fantasy that could be used as a form of therapy for this suffering. Its that simple.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145174 - 11/29/03 08:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Positronius said:
kaiowas: actually I have read all of the buddhist texts, and that is the conclusion I have come to.

"buddha did this. buddha didn't do that. heh, the less we know the better. and it is the less we know"

the less we know the better? bullshit. I dont prescribe to buddhist mysticism, so I am taking a rational approach to his teachings. He was a human, not a god. He was a very intelligent human at that, one of the first psychologists, he discovered what caused humanities suffering, so he devised a fantasy that could be used as a form of therapy for this suffering. Its that simple.




But does his therapy work ? in the absolute sense...
barring the "only if you believe in it" catch-22...


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145180 - 11/29/03 08:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What the buddha taught about was no fantasy world, kids.

He basically showed us how suffering originates, HOW TO END suffering, and how to attain enlightenment.

Yes, the buddha was enlightened. It's not hard to come to this conclusion, unless your definition of enlightenment is a bit off.

I don't see where the fantasy world idea comes from, and quite frankly I think its bullshit. He never told people "This is how it is".

He told people wisdom that was 100% True, only becasue he experienced it. He also told them not to believe what he says, and instead investigate it through experience if they wish. Either way , he knew - they'd realize the truth.



Truth is NOT a fantasy world, peoples. What Jesus taught, what buddha taught, it was a way out of the fantasy world we've constructed for ourselves.


But anyway, I don't much expect people on here to understand his teachings.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2145194 - 11/29/03 09:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

supermarket: "He basically showed us how suffering originates, HOW TO END suffering, and how to attain enlightenment."

-thus you prescribe to his fantasy. Heres an idea, dissolve your beliefs for one moment and try to look at Buddhism objectivly.
-his fantasy = re-incarnation, Karma, samsara, nirvana, the five skhandas, the emptiness of self.

these ideas are not REAL, they are nothing more than an interpretation of reality with mystical elements = fantasy.

supermarket: " don't much expect people on here to understand his teachings"

what pompous drival. Check your ego, I fully understand his teachings, even more so than you because I can discern between opinion and reality.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145424 - 11/29/03 10:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Buddhism is a practice, not a theory for argument, not a fantasy for daydreams, and not a prop for the ego.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145430 - 11/29/03 10:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Buddhism is a practice, not a theory for argument, not a fantasy for daydreams, and not a prop for the ego. If one doesn't meditate, doesn't practice the paramitas, doesn't make offerings then they are not Buddhists.

So also, you might like getting into a girl's panties, but don't ever try to speak for her. You can never be an expert on women, if you aren't one, and you can never be an expert on Buddha if you are not a Buddhist.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: eve69]
    #2145460 - 11/29/03 10:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

weak attack. A non-buddhists opinion of buddhism is just as valuable as a "buddhist", in fact, it may be more valuable because by being a "buddhist" a person is condradicting buddha's teaching, specifically the "dont follow me" bit.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145485 - 11/29/03 11:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

oh, and like jesus had some kind of fucking super powers? all gods and deitys had wisdom. wisdom. not supernatural powers, just knowledge and that knowledge is attainable by ANYONE. if you work soley on the purpose of helping others, helping the earth and helping your soul, not helping your materialistic needs and bad habits that hurt yourself and others, you can and will acheive enlightenment, or go to heaven, whatever.
you have to understand that heaven and hell aren't physical places we go to after we die. they are states of being. if you lived your life in good nature and caused no significant harm to others or the planet, you soul will rest easily and you will again contribute to gaia(spirit of the earth), on the other hand, if you live in hatste, hate, and cause harm to the earth, your soul will forever be guilty and will not rest easily. it will roam eternally searching for where it was supposed to fit.
going to mass or services every day won't help your soul if you are a mean spirited, uncaring individual. saying your sorry to some intangible father figure won't help. "sorry pops, i beat my kids today, gambled all my paycheck, cut down some trees for a new housing edition,and cheated on my wife, i won't do it again" type of shit. praying and apologizing to the memory of someone from long ago isn't the way to achieve bliss.
find it in you......


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: lucid]
    #2145495 - 11/29/03 11:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Who cares if he was an actual historical figure? A more apt question would be, "Do the practices associated with him work for you or not?"

If they work, continue them.
If they don't discard them.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145497 - 11/29/03 11:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

what pompous drival. Check your ego, I fully understand his teachings, even more so than you because I can discern between opinion and reality

Yeah, you aren't pompous at all.  :shake:


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Jellric]
    #2145503 - 11/29/03 11:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

otis: was that directed towards me? I hope not, because im not a christian.

contribute to gaia(spirit of the earth)= fantasy.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145525 - 11/29/03 11:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Positronius said:
weak attack. A non-buddhists opinion of buddhism is just as valuable as a "buddhist", in fact, it may be more valuable because by being a "buddhist" a person is condradicting buddha's teaching, specifically the "dont follow me" bit.




Actually, just because you don't like my argument doesn't make it a weak attack at all. In fact it was a very concise, well thought out, and expertly executed attack, which showed exactly your weakest point of argument, that of your lack of direct experience of what you speak. This is in fact a great argument. You can study ice cream too if you like, and say that it's a stupid fantasy of mixed up ice and sugar and cream. However, those that eat it, could care less whether you or they understand just what it is. But go ahead, don't eat. This is merely a forum for argument, whether yours was totally specious or not. Just because you can name a few words like skandas you think you know something? Ha.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: eve69]
    #2145535 - 11/30/03 12:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

your a funny person. I never said Buddhism was "stupid", i like how you infer that though. I think Buddhism is great actually, but its not real, it is a fantasy for one to believe in, just like all other religions.

So, I cant comment on Buddhism unless I prescribe to its ideology? wow, thats really silly, I hope you can see the severe logical flaw in your argument. Does that also mean that I cannot comment on the existance of god if I dont believe in it?

Here is your problem: you are a believer, and when someone comes along claiming that the thing you believe in isnt real, you automatically think that person doesnt know what they are talking about because their comments condradict your beliefs. Many religious individuals are like this.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145635 - 11/30/03 02:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

that is the reality


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: otis5]
    #2145690 - 11/30/03 03:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Proof to me that humans do not reincarnate. Until you can proof that with logical, undoubtable evidence that MAKES SENSE - That means you can't say Reincarnation is fantasy.


Karma is fantasy? That's absurd...and to anyone who has paid attention to how things truly work, you will notice karma is some form or another. I say this with Truth, because of experience - and I'm sure many will agree.


You have opinions, but that doesnt make what the buddha taught "fantasy".


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2145712 - 11/30/03 03:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

supermarket: "Proof to me that humans do not reincarnate. Until you can proof that with logical, undoubtable evidence that MAKES SENSE - That means you can't say Reincarnation is fantasy."

I cant prove anything, neither can you, because there is no evidence that reincarnation exists. Its an idea, thats all. The Buddha was wise, he understood how to aleviate suffering, but his explanation of reality is fiction, just like all other explanations of reality.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145716 - 11/30/03 03:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How can you claim to know what is FICTION, when you haven't experienced for yourself what is REALITY?


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2145726 - 11/30/03 03:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

supermarket: How can you claim to know what is FICTION, when you haven't experienced for yourself what is REALITY?

--you know what, I dont believe in solipsism, maybe you shouldnt either. I dont know where you get off claiming that I havent experience "reality", but a comment like that reduces your credibility to zero. If you wanna play on the monkey bars go right ahead, but im more interested in sophisticated, thoughtful conversation. I havent experience reality because I dont agree with you?....right, the mind of a fundamentalist.

have you ever considered a career as a street preacher?



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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145737 - 11/30/03 03:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ahhh, now I see why you didn't understand buddha's teaching. You have a doubtful mind.


It all becomes clear. A teaching can't work with an unopen mind, or a stubborn mind. Just like a sponge that is already full of water, it can't soak in new water.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2145761 - 11/30/03 04:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Ahhh, now I see why you didn't understand buddha's teaching. You have a doubtful mind".

Okay Mr.Supermarket, go on soaking up your delusion while I follow my own path.

The Buddha once said "Make yourself a light. Rely upon yourself:do not depend on anyone else. Make my teachings your light. Rely upon them: do not depend on any other teaching".

I like the first part, but I disagree with the second part. Thats the difference between me and you, youve taken the second part of his statement and turned it into dogma.

The Buddha was not the grand dictator of truth, he was a mortal human with an opinion and an ideology, just like Karl Marx and Soren Kierkegaard. I treat him accordingly, I consider his ideas, then I deduct what I identify with from what I disagree with, this is my modus operandi,

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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145779 - 11/30/03 04:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:smile: Good luck on your path


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2145783 - 11/30/03 04:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"the less we know the better? bullshit. I dont prescribe to buddhist mysticism, so I am taking a rational approach to his teachings."

ahh I'm sorry the way I put that made it sound that way.  what I was meaning was all the specifics and people saying whyat they think what buddha thought, saying all this stuff about buddha when in fact we never met the guy, that's what I meant by the less is better.  focus on his teachings, not his emotions.

BTW jellric and postronius thanks for coming in and saving this thread :smile: 5 shrooms for both of you

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"contribute to gaia(spirit of the earth)= fantasy"

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you cannot say what is and what isn't.  by the simple fact that non of us are 100% sure of what's REALLY going on. how outlandish it may seem to you, there's always a chance :smile:

"How can you claim to know what is FICTION, when you haven't experienced for yourself what is REALITY?"

how do you all of a sudden know this person's experiences.  calm down, take a deep breath, and then post.  fictions reality are just words, concepts even.  they wouldn't be here if they both didn't exist no?

"Ahhh, now I see why you didn't understand buddha's teaching. You have a doubtful mind.


It all becomes clear. A teaching can't work with an unopen mind, or a stubborn mind. Just like a sponge that is already full of water, it can't soak in new water."

open mind yes, but that has got to be one of the more closeminded arguments I've read.  how do you know a doubful mind is bad? how do you know postronius has a doubtful mind? or maybe he/she does, who knows, he postronious knows.  I'll be willing to bet it's a little of both :smile: clear your head a little, meditate even, and then come back.

 
 


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2145933 - 11/30/03 05:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Proof to me that humans do not reincarnate. Until you can proof that with logical, undoubtable evidence that MAKES SENSE

haha you talk about logic and then you ask him to prove that humans DON'T reincarnate, which doesn't work. Logically, you can't prove a negative. Nice try.

and to anyone who has paid attention to how things truly work, you will notice karma is some form or another. I say this with Truth, because of experience - and I'm sure many will agree.

What is this nonsensical drivel? How things truly work? Let me guess.. if I disagree with you then I don't pay attention to how things truly work. Oh, and you say it with truth because of experience. Of course, you don't want me to interpret your experience any other way than you already have so you don't explain what experience it was that you had.. Nice, keep yourself in a position of spiritual superiority. Next you say "and I'm sure many will agree." What's that? Appeal to the masses? So because others will agree with you you're right? That's also not logical.

Don't talk about logical and then put forth nonsensical arguments. If you have a point to get across, I suggest you take a step back from where you've gone and start producing some solid argument instead of this "You haven't experinced as profound stuff as me so you're wrong, and you're a non-believer therefore you're wrong."

Good luck on your path

Nice duck.. but the arguments against your points are like heat-seeking missiles and they'll keep turning around and coming back at you until you prove that your ideas are actually well thought-out.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2146058 - 11/30/03 07:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I argue against pure logical involvement with life because it's superficial. Sure thought can lead to exploitation of the material world, as in atomics, and medicine, and even good can come from it, and yet, thought alone cannot penetrate into the minutae of the personality. I have a basic problem with psychotherapy, and Western philosophy for this reason. Utilizing thought alone to try to figure out life is at best an equation, and at worst a sword fight between two matched nemesis.

The reason I push meditation is that we only have the now for intense self descovery. In the now at best is experience or distraction.

But moreover, I am a vajrayanist. That means that I do the tantric practices of the Tibetans. So these things are more like shamanism and cannot be explained through ratiocination. They must be experienced. I was attracted to the Vajrayana because I found that its practitioners had a large percentage of mystical experiences (as did I). Who can say what the realizations of those who spend countless hours in direct self discovery can find? Really only those who do it.

It's not a fallacious argument at all that direct experience is the best standard of proof.

But also, Buddha didn't make up the notions of reincarnation or karma. They existed long before him, for the Hindus, the Jains, and many other religions. Buddha did create the buddha dharma or the idea of renunciation of relative life through discerning the 4 truths, notions of egolessness, dependant origination, and 8-fold path. And these are all either self evident concepts or concepts which can be easily construed. the buddha dharma is still compelling a few thousand years after the historical Buddha because of their simplicity.

The vajrayana however is a very pithy mystery filled school which is like a virgin which doesn't open up to strangers. It needs care and attention and alot of coaxing, and some would say a past life connection.

Sure, you can exist without beliefs. You can also not make a commitment to anything. But as most bachelors can tell you, a never ending stream of sex partners doesn't equate with depth or complete satisfaction in a relationship, and so also purely discursive thinking is just like doing math. It's only satisfying for those who delight in pure abstraction. And for the rest, as proven above, it just basically leads to cynicism.

A person can say that religions are all false and merely faith based, and yet does that make the results of religious conviction any less real? If someone gives presents in the spirit of Santa Claus then the spirit of Santa, at least, is real. And who's to say that Father Christmas isn't really there somewhere within pulling some strings.



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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: eve69]
    #2146067 - 11/30/03 07:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There is nothing wrong with religion, unless it robs you of the ability to think, which it does quite often. I find many aspects of religion to be amiable, faith being one of them.

but religious explanations of reality are NOT "REAL". Does this mean anything in a life where an individual can never truly percieve if an objective reality exists? nope.

were all building our own worlds to live in, but dont think yours is any more concrete than mine just because yours has a long history and plenty of subscribers. (not that you think that)

"as most bachelors can tell you, a never ending stream of sex partners doesn't equate with depth or complete satisfaction in a relationship"

and as many husbands will tell you, a lifetime of marriage often results in depressing monotany that robs one's self of adventure and passion, ultimately ending in bitter old age.


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Re: The Truth about the Buddha.. [Re: Positronius]
    #2148570 - 12/01/03 06:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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