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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4062878 - 04/16/05 05:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Hahahaha

Seeeeee I talk about broadening and expanding upon the teachings of Buddha and poof, this thread expanded open wide. Now I need to manifest a 5 foot wide screen to read this thing. :rotfl:

You realize I have been having my own fun running spin offs to provoke thought.

The first one that prompted me was the not moving a finger part. You realize Buddhism is still alive and kicking because fingers were moved and action was taken to spread and practice the word. Alive and kicking are action words.

My first reply here was focused on the message of stillness requiring movement for it to even be and to not discount the active movement that makes stillness so possible.

Sometimes, I read that stillness talk without any follow up about the movement making it so and I just hear someone telling me "DON'T MOVE! Stay fixed in position forever and all will be well." I feel like asking, "What? Is the place boobie trapped or something? " :rotfl:

Maybe it is. Oooooooooooooh. Maybe Buddha figured that out and learned that movement can set off a boobie trap and lead to suffering so its best to stay still and safe.

Does this not intrigue you? Who set the boobie traps and why? How did they make them so well disguised? How can one move about in the darkness like a jewel thief and not set one off? That's it , yeah, the boobie trap setters have jewels locked up they don't want us to behold and gain self worth by obtaining the for ourselves. Or do they wish for us to have them once we have earned the jewels respect by mastering our way through the boobie traps set in the dark.

Maybe, it's best to stay still and not wonder nor care or desire to behold the jewels. Stay poor in life and spirit and still and most importantly safe.


Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.



Maybe the jewel house and boobie trap setters found eternal bliss to be a hoooooo hummmmmmmm and created a game for us to play to make the given more exciting by a pretend game of taking it away and creating a challenge for getting it back.

So what if the game takes 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999godzillion years to play. That's nothin when you have nothing but eternity, creative intelligence "Light" and  the force of movement "love" at your finger tips.

I'm just playing around. A message to inspire easy blissing is a good one Eggo! :heart: :thumbup: I do forget some havn't even discovered the stillness jewel yet. It's not the only jewel in the house though.

Go Buddhas,
Go Buddhas
Get your bliss on
Be still now
Go Buddhas
Go Buddhas


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4062942 - 04/16/05 06:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You funtime gesturing showed little respect or for the Buddha nor any knowelge his teachings.

" Oooooooooooooh. Maybe Buddha figured that out and learned that movement can set off a boobie trap and lead to suffering so its best to stay still and safe." - Jiggy

No, the Buddha did not discover stillness nor did he say that movemnet set off any kind of traps. He discovered directly the sky-like nature of mind which goes beyond the limitations of stillness. The only boobie traps i can think of are our attachments and limitations but they hold no jewles, only suffering. The only shining jewel is the nature of mind and there is no need to steal it becuase it is already ours.

We do not have an eternity! Who knows when we will have this human oppertunity again. If we die without ever recognising our nature, then thats like a begger that dies without ever knowing that there was a precious diamond in his sleeping bag. We should reflect on the certainity of death to put things into perspective now, before its too late. Recognising the fleeting, impermenant nature of our situation, we should get enlightenment now, before we waste this oppertunity. Tomorrow never comes! There is no time to play it safe.

"In horror of death, I took to the mountains - again and again I meditated on the uncertainty of the hour of death, capturing the fortress of the deathless unending nature of mind. Now all fear of death is over and done." - Milarepa

You can play with all your imaginery jewels all you like jiggy, but when the tide comes in you will wish that you had abandoned them all while you still could. This message is one from the heart and the spirit, i hope it meets you well.  :heart:


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4062972 - 04/16/05 06:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It meet me stiff as a board. Is being stiff being well? I find stiff things break easier then those that can flex and bend with the wind.

Ice is stiff. You can break and shatter it into pieces. Water you can break and it stays together and whole.

How do you set yourself up as a teacher of happiness joy and bliss without the ability to engange in light hearted humor or see the humorous in life that reveals the joy?

Now I know why swamis been riding you and making posts about people who don't practice what they preach. To become enlightened, one must "lighten up". Angels can fly because they are light.

Seriousness is only called for when there is a threat of loss or when something has been lost. What attachments do you have or threats of loss are being posed here that your seriousness is being called for?


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4062994 - 04/16/05 06:58 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I think the 99999's line distorted this thread.
I suspect that egghead is rolling us in our future
graves to round the edges of a nice thought.


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4063058 - 04/16/05 07:17 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I find stiff things break easier then those that can flex and bend with the wind.

Tell your hubby to back off the the Viagra dosage...


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4063488 - 04/16/05 10:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

"we should get enlightenment now, before we waste this oppertunity"

There is no such thing as enlightenment. There is only the path. Whenever you think you have neared the end...surprise, your back at the beginning.


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4063517 - 04/16/05 10:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)




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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: Lallafa]
    #4063518 - 04/16/05 10:54 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

i want a kotex with whipped cream


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4064525 - 04/17/05 04:13 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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It meet me stiff as a board. Is being stiff being well? I find stiff things break easier then those that can flex and bend with the wind.

Ice is stiff. You can break and shatter it into pieces. Water you can break and it stays together and whole. 

How do you set yourself up as a teacher of happiness joy and bliss without the ability to engange in light hearted humor or see the humorous in life that reveals the joy?

Now I know why swamis been riding you and making posts about people who don't practice what they preach. To become enlightened, one must "lighten up". Angels can fly because they are light.

Seriousness is only called for when there is a threat of loss or when something has been lost. What attachments do you have or threats of loss are being posed here that your seriousness is being called for?




You missed my flexablility, you bend one way, i go the other, that in itself is flexable, not stiff. Jovial matters are fine, a good belly laugh is always good, but even in all the light matters we can never forget the vital points. I was seeking to round off your musings on a serious note, their is nothing wrong with serioussness, in fact at times its very approriate, the cosmic joke is the only joke we need to get, that way everything becomes light, even the serioussness. 

You may veiw serioussness as something that happens when threatened, but really its a lesson, a teaching, that we cant always be always be mindlessly absorbed in the humouroussness of life situations. Reflecting on death is not a serious thing, we just need to briefly remind ourselves of it to keep our feet on the ground, otherwise we could end up floating away in fantasyland. Staying grounded is very important for not losing ourselves in  distraction. I hope this message meets you well, and you understand its importance. :heart:


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4065196 - 04/17/05 11:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Jiggy, I'm surprised by your actions in this thread. :shocked:

I don't think you ever paid attention to what either I or him was saying long enough to understand exactly what it is that we said. I think one or two words instantly recalled some preconceived notion of your own, and you responded to that.

You then skirt around with tons of words that barely relate to the subject at all, and I can't tell if you are going off on a tangent, or what. :confused:

And, in the end, you bring it down to personal references to egghead1 himself, far off base from the actual subject at hand (not to mention seemingly ridiculing his point of view). "Now I know why swamis been riding you and making posts about people who don't practice what they preach. To become enlightened, one must "lighten up". Angels can fly because they are light. "

I don't know if you ever made some space within your mind to allow for some receptive understanding or not, I cannot judge that as I don't have privilege to your mind, only your subsequent responses, but it certainly doesn't seem you have made an honest effort to discuss this in a befitting, constructive manner. I say this because, despite how many times one of us might clarify our position and try to show you that what you speak of is not actually what we speak of, you yet continue to refer to the subject in the same exact manner that you did before.

Something seems to be seriously obstructing your perceptions. I cannot say what it is, and I cannot say that my assumptions are actually true. All I know is that you have not appeared to understand what we have said in its own context and that you don't seem interested in understanding at all, only furthering and strengthening your own preconceived notions. *shrugs*

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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4065261 - 04/17/05 12:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

What I have come to understand here through you is that Buddhism is a very serious subject and practice to you. I understand you want respect shown towards that. I can give it to YOU from now on because I can be sensitive to the feelings of others when I know where their sensitive spots are. Can I ask you to consider that as a part of being grounded and not slipping off into fantasy land, others in this world may not take your reverence for it so seriously. Expecting that is living in a fantasy land.

I also understand that Buddhism to you is something you wish not to question, hold up and examine in different lights, look at from the inside out, "get light hearted with" or take a part and put it back together to see what its made of and what it can do, and or may not have had the interest or time yet to compare it to many other models out there with higher performance and upgraded features.

I studied it along with many other religions in my late teens and early 20s moving my way out of Catholicism. I am turning 37 next month and have studied and put to the experiential test a shit load more since then. I did find some good stuff it that a took and blended it in with other good stuff I found along the way. I have found a lot of flaws with it too.

If it is my interest to point them out for other seekers here, why shouldn't I? For those who can't or don't wish to see them, fine, put your blinders on and keep you focus on only what you want to see in it. Everyone has their own timing and goals. I know not everyone who comes here is in a rush looking for a final resting place of being at this point in eternity. What I have to say may resonate with and be of interest to them to consider as it has been to me. If my considerations don't interest you then chuck them out the window and stick with what feels right and is working for you.

When you post on it, I won't touch those posts again because of your touchiness with it. I may if another does. When I see walls of limitation or duality stuff being presented here, it's my tendency to bust the walls down, push them back or to blend oppositions into complimentary contrasts.

This isn't personal against you Egg. I have spoken up on the limitations and dualism of Buddhism many times before here as well as middle path, one answer, one right and only way, all others are wrong and bad, ideologies.

Where ever there is a right way and a wrong way you have a struggle. Nature only knows its way and multidimensional consciousness knows infinite ways beyond duality struggles.

When I was into Buddhism, I hit walls I couldn't move beyond by its teachings. I chose not to live in permanent enclosures that confine me though I realize they make some feel safe and secure. I prefer dwelling in structures that have open doors and windows with no locks on them because there is always something more beyond them to be explored and discovered and revealed. After setting dynamite to the walls I found within Buddhism, I found a lot more beyond its limitations.

If you have a problem with me sharing that then just use the teachings of Buddhisms to remedy it and be at peace with it. If it teaches you to have to change and conform me to fit within it then that should tell you something about it.

You don't find anything odd about a teaching that does not allow for you to question it or have fun with it or seek outside of it let alone that presents itself as the only way? If you don't, that's fine with me, I am just looking better to understand you for future reference to watch out for your toes when I am dancing.

I was about to sign off with that and looked up at your reply and saw where you wrote, " something about it being very important not to loose ourselves in distractions". This is a very important "idea" to YOU!  Is it okay with you if it's not important to me. That's more duality stuff.

If something becomes a distraction and grabs your attention away from something else, it has something for you in my book of wisdom. IT is everywhere even in the distractions. When you have your blinders on and sites set on a goal, you can miss so much along the way. It's not about a final destination to me and getting there as quickly as possible. It's about the journey and taking my easy breezy sweet time because I have ETERNITY and no where to go because really, I never even left.

So what? You gotta get to the Golden City by 10:00 P.M or else the doors close for good? Do you have time to pull over by a lake along the road and throw some pebbles in it watch the ripples or feed the ducks? Do you have time to roll around and make love in a meadow of flowers? I do and ther golden city forevern dwells within me. :wink: :heart:


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4065386 - 04/17/05 01:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You believe in reincarnation, right? It might be reasonable to think that different people resonate with different sets of "spiritual techniques and tools" (as buddhism) to thread "the path". Or different personalities, if you wish.


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4065390 - 04/17/05 01:44 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Ahem. I will now assume a role through which I am not usually one to assume. Don't let the apparent realness of this phenomenon blur your understanding of myself or the universe. :lol:

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What I have come to understand here through you is that Buddhism is a very serious subject and practice to you. I understand you want respect shown towards that.




I think he merely wishes to discuss what he has addressed in this thread in a reasonable, productive fashion, just like any poster who proposes a topic for discussion.

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I can give it to YOU from now on because I can be sensitive to the feelings of others when I know where their sensitive spots are. Can I ask you to consider that as a part of being grounded and not slipping off into fantasy land, others in this world may not take your reverence for it so seriously. Expecting that is living in a fantasy land.




:rolleyes: Nice apparent usage of a subtle insult. :thumbup:

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I also understand that Buddhism to you is something you wish not to question, hold up and examine in different lights, look at from the inside out, "get light hearted with" or take a part and put it back together to see what its made of and what it can do, and or may not have had the interest or time yet to compare it to many other models out there with higher performance and upgraded features.




In my opinion, quite the misunderstanding on your part.

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I studied it along with many other religions in my late teens and early 20s moving my way out of Catholicism. I am turning 37 next month and have studied and put to the experiential test a shit load more since then. I did find some good stuff it that a took and blended it in with other good stuff I found along the way. I have found a lot of flaws with it too.




Nice assertion of seniority and holier-than-thou'ism. :thumbup:

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If it is my interest to point them out for other seekers here, why shouldn't I? For those who can't or don't wish to see them, fine, put your blinders on and keep you focus on only what you want to see in it.




:rolleyes: You weren't productively engaging in a discussion, adding relevant insight, you were misunderstanding the original subject of discussion, ranting on instead about some preconceived notion of your own, subtly degrading one's own conception of the subject (which isn't actually the subject that was being expressed), asserting that your own point of view is more proper, and eventually, resorting to personal attacks. You appear to be "Swami-trolling" on speed. :lol:

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Everyone has their own timing and goals. I know not everyone who comes here is in a rush looking for a final resting place of being at this point in eternity.




Strong evidence that you never understood the subject at hand, as it never referred or alluded to any "final resting place of being".

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When you post on it, I won't touch those posts again because of your touchiness with it. I may if another does.




Way to put yourself above the situation you were partially responsible for and blame the other guy. :wink: Apparently actually trying to discuss the topic of the thread in its thread is "touchy"....  :rolleyes:

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When I see walls of limitation or duality stuff being presented here, it's my tendency to bust the walls down, push them back or to blend oppositions into complimentary contrasts.




Walls of limitation and duality stuff? More evidence to support that you never understood the subject at hand. For someone so obviously centered in their mind's faulty sense of self, I find it strange to object to duality....

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This isn't personal against you Egg.




Now I know why swamis been riding you and making posts about people who don't practice what they preach."

I understand you want respect shown towards that. I can give it to YOU from now on because I can be sensitive to the feelings of others when I know where their sensitive spots are.

When you post on it, I won't touch those posts again because of your touchiness with it.

Don't try to assure us that it isn't personal, the captialized "YOU" implies that it is, not to mention the depth of your personal references to him. :lol:

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I have spoken up on the limitations and dualism of Buddhism many times before here as well as middle path, one answer, one right and only way, all others are wrong and bad, ideologies.




Indeed, Buddhism claims that it is the sole truth and that every other ideology is wrong.  :rolleyes:

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When I was into Buddhism, I hit walls I couldn't move beyond by its teachings. I chose not to live in permanent enclosures that confine me though I realize they make some feel safe and secure.




Another reference that underlines the fact that Jiggy is not referring to any idea actually presented in this thread, but yet her own preconceived notion of that idea. I don't know if she considers that perhaps her pre-existing understanding of Buddhism is not the same that others have, or that perhaps she misunderstood Buddhism when she was practicing it, or perhaps that she herself is what stood in her way from understanding Buddhism (as it is usually the sense of self that intereferes in this regard).

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After setting dynamite to the walls I found within Buddhism, I found a lot more beyond its limitations.




That is, the walls of Buddhism that you created yourself from not understanding Buddhism, and the limitations that you yourself imposed.

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If you have a problem with me sharing that then just use the teachings of Buddhisms to remedy it and be at peace with it. If it teaches you to have to change and conform me to fit within it then that should tell you something about it.




No one has attempted to "change and conform" you. Perhaps some aspect of yourself felt threatened when someone questioned you, and that blurred your perceptions even more..... :confused:

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You don't find anything odd about a teaching that does not allow for you to question it or have fun with it or seek outside of it let alone that presents itself as the only way? If you don't, that's fine with me, I am just looking better to understand you for future reference to watch out for your toes when I am dancing.




:lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't even know if you understand what Buddhism actually is, and I think your mind, by the very nature of your self-important image, obstructs any actual understanding of it.

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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: dorkus]
    #4065539 - 04/17/05 02:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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You believe in reincarnation, right? It might be reasonable to think that different people resonate with different sets of "spiritual techniques and tools" (as buddhism) to thread "the path". Or different personalities, if you wish.




Exactly! I have said that in two replies here already. Have you noticed how buddhist think their way is suppose to resonate with and be the way for everyone and if it isn't then we are living wrong and are suffering or something?

"oh, but you are being in false ego" Yup, thats what its their for like a halloween costume you can put on and take off and play pretend with. Pretty cool creation huh?

Oh, but you are straying from the path to enlightenment" Yup, thats what the dark ground is out there for so we can lighten up all-ways.

"Oh, but in your activity and distraction you can not be still and focused" Yup , that is what action is for, not being still and if your parents wern't active you wouldn't be here to be still. Yup, distractions are for changing focus because there is just so much beauty awe and wonder and curiousity to see I want my eyes open to it all. What is it we are suppose to be focused on all of the time anyway?

Maybe it's so won't notice the man behind the curtain. Keep your eye on the ball. :hypno:


Fireworks,  if I replied to your reply I would just repeat what I already said so I have nothing to say about your opinions.

I do have to say that here at S&P, not all of my posts are always followed with what I would consider reasonable discussion and comments. I go with the flow best I can. Having been reading and writing here since last July, I think one is living in fanatasy land to expect our expectations of this forum to be met here. Doesn't Buddha teach people to detach themselves from their expectations to avoid suffering or something like that. Maybe Egg should try it out the no expectations going with flow and path of least resistance teachings. Those were some of the good open ended ones.

Reasonable is relative or is Bhudism objective? Yes, I had objections with it, so sue me in the court of philosophy. I will be the one saying, "I object to the object of limitating objection. Who can we get for a judge? How bout Buddha. Would he judge me and by what authority?

Screw the court proceedings, I will make my self guilty of the charges because my life philosophy allows for my no self to create illusions of a self for creative interplay. Guilty as charged and so what because the me being charged with being unreasonable is an illusion of the false ego right? Isn't that what Buddha teaches? Jiggy doesn't exist. I am an illussion, an unreasonable phantom of your imagination to reflect yourself upon. Keep your eye on the ball :hypno:


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4065547 - 04/17/05 02:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, and I have something for you and Egg to focus on in your next meditations. The location I am writing from under my avatar.


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4065550 - 04/17/05 02:54 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: :wink:

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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4065800 - 04/17/05 05:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe you shouldn't take my seriousness so seriously? I don't :lol:

You obviously know very little about Buddhism. Everything you have said about it thus far has not been true at all. Your previous practice might have just shown you your own limitations so that you have the possibility of going beyond them, that is considered very important in Buddhism in general, going beyond limitations. Human beings limit themselves the teaching never limit the human being. For instance when people choose a religion the say something like "Now i am this kind of Hindu, i do this practice and go to this temple", this is a limitation.

Buddhism is all about going beyond duality to discover our natural state of non-dual wisdom. It never says that other paths are wrong and its the only way to discover this truth. How could it possibly claim that when our very essence is this wisdom, everybody no matter what religion or spiritual inclination can have contact with this state. Ive already said that Buddhism is not about goals, it is a path without goals, because if we have goals we are projecting into the future, which is a distraction from the present moment. Distraction is the very nature of dualistic perception and suffering itself, its the continual preoccupation with the objects of the senses which move us further and further away from ourselves, so we never recognize who and what we are. 

Although i practice mainly Theravada Buddhism i don't just limit myself to those teachings, i practice whatever suits my capacity at the time and my teachers have always said "You can receive teachings from a any teacher from any tradition, it is not a problem, you must never limit yourself that way" This is very typical of Buddhism and is exactly what HH the Dalia Lama recommends. We should be like a Bee in the summer jumping from flower to flower tasting from each until we find what works for us.

I could say a whole lot more to you on the subject but i don't really see the point. You did not hurt my feelings at all, there is no need to be sensitive that way, you only showed up your own ignorance of Buddhist practice, history and philosophy, i was just correcting you. But never mind, none of us can be correct all of the time :lol:

BTW i agree with everything fire works said in his post.


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: egghead1]
    #4065978 - 04/17/05 06:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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egghead1 said:
Maybe you shouldn't take my seriousness so seriously? I don't :lol:





Ahhhhhh that part was a breath of fresh air from you, like .....like.........openning a window!  :wink: If I took your seriousness seriously I wouldn't have any replies in this post.  :tongue: How can I with the header alone?

It's been about 20 years since I had my nose into Buddhism. I have realized since being here, it's not the philosophy but how it's interpreted and presented by people here that makes it often limiting or dualistic to be propositioned with again after all this time.

If it goes beyond duality, why do you have two opposing directions in your post header?  :crazy:

So you agree with the opinions of FW? You get the same reply to that which is whatever I already said. Though you both agree that a reasonable discussion is called for here, you both dodged most everything I addressed by either saying, "it's not" but not saying what it is with back up from a Buddhists text, or you just focused on me personally". I think even less of Buddhism now then I did before this post started if that's the best it gave you both, was teachings for how to dodge and judge.

Does Buddhism have a final goal or not? If it does, it has limits because there is nothing final about eternity.

Educate me on just this one and please answer my question about why your header has opposing directions related to a religion that is about going beyond duality?


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    #4066071 - 04/17/05 07:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Being present in the now is a goal, if not enlightenment or eternal bliss BTW. Can ask if you are not set up to struggle between being present and being distracted?

I have another question. You said it doesn't prescribe to one way. What other ways does it to teach to get to where it is suppose to take you beside the "middle way" ? I'm very curious to know of the other ways they teach besides that one.


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Re: Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4067486 - 04/18/05 03:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Quote:

egghead1 said:
Maybe you shouldn't take my seriousness so seriously? I don't :lol:





Ahhhhhh that part was a breath of fresh air from you, like .....like.........openning a window!  :wink: If I took your seriousness seriously I wouldn't have any replies in this post.  :tongue: How can I with the header alone?

It's been about 20 years since I had my nose into Buddhism. I have realized since being here, it's not the philosophy but how it's interpreted and presented by people here that makes it often limiting or dualistic to be propositioned with again after all this time.

Umm not really the philosophy is pretty clear as to what it means. Maybe you can give an example of what you find limiting or dualistic? Bearing in mind that their are many philosophies in buddhsim which cater for the different capacities of the individual to learn and apply that knowlege.

If it goes beyond duality, why do you have two opposing directions in your post header?  :crazy:

Ah i was going to explain this, as i thought that this might be where you are getting confused.

Buddha (Lasting Bliss) <-----------O------------> Craving (Lasting Misery)

So we have Nirvana on one end and Samsara on the other, these are two ways which our infinte potential can manifest, one manifests out of ignorance of the nature of mind and the other out of the discovery of our unconditioned non-dual wisdom. The circle in the center represents our potentiality for infinitely manifesting either way. One arises from recognizing our nature, and the other arises when we are ignorant of that, they both manifest infinitely. The root of Samsara is Ignrorance (not seeing clearly), Greed(craving and attachment) and hatred (all kinds of aversion), the root of Nirvana is letting go and relaxing fully with awareness in the present moment.



So you agree with the opinions of FW? You get the same reply to that which is whatever I already said. Though you both agree that a reasonable discussion is called for here, you both dodged most everything I addressed by either saying, "it's not" but not saying what it is with back up from a Buddhists text, or you just focused on me personally". I think even less of Buddhism now then I did before this post started if that's the best it gave you both, was teachings for how to dodge and judge.

I will answer your previous post more thoroughly later now i know that you are really interested. I did answer it thoroughly earlier but deleted it thinking that maybe you weren't interested at all and it was a waste of time. So now i will have to write it out again  :crazy: :grin:

Does Buddhism have a final goal or not? If it does, it has limits because there is nothing final about eternity.

Goals cause us to project our ideas of happiness into the future, this distracts us and takes our awareness us away from the present moment. The only reason Buddhism talks about Nirvana is that people are aware of the result and outcome of doing Buddhist practice. In the Prajanaparamita it says something like "No form, No color, No nose, No eyes, No teeth.........No path, No enlightenment, etc etc." This is sometimes pronounced over and over again by Buddhist practitioners in order to cut through the processes of ego and recognize the essence of the teaching which is emptiness or shunyata (emptiness is pregnant with infinite potentiality). There is no idea of a final goal because we already have this infinite potentiality, all we need do is recognize it, and train in that recognition. I talked before about this and the idea of a path without a goal in previous posts.

Educate me on just this one and please answer my question about why your header has opposing directions related to a religion that is about going beyond duality?

ive already answered this one :lol:. I will attemnpt later to answer and correctall of your misunderstandings as soon as i have time, i must go to work now im doing the night shift, but rest assured you will get answers to all of your doubts and questions ASAP. I now regret deleting my previous posts as they answered almost all of your questions  :shake: :biggrin:






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