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OfflineSeussA
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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1965424 - 09/30/03 10:40 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

> Not being attached to material possessions ...[snip]... no reason you can't own or even protect your material possessions

You are either attached to possessions or you are not, you can't have it both ways. A parent and child are the best example I can think of. A child may belong with a parent, but that parent does not own the child.

This reminds me of something that happened during "class" with a monk and a bunch of students one time. We were all sitting around listening to the monk talk when he held up the glass he had been drinking water of out and asked who's glass it was.

One of the students recognized the glass, and claimed that it belonged to Brother Larry. The monk then pointed out the Buddha teachings of possession. Pretty soon everybody agreed that the glass did not belong to anybody.

With a twinkle in his eye, the monk then said "If the glass belongs to nobody, then I shall toss it to the ground and break it." I got up without a word, took the glass, and walked to the kitchen to get a drink of water.


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Seuss]
    #1965457 - 09/30/03 10:51 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Glass holds water pretty well.
Mmm water.

I think that buddha would not have a bike, he would walk.
And if for some reason he did have a bike, he would not chain it.
Unless he lived in the city :wink:


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: chunder]
    #1965615 - 09/30/03 12:27 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

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chunder said:
Would The Buddha chain his bike up?




No. But he would tie his camel, especially if he lived in the city.  :wink: :thumbup:

 


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1965668 - 09/30/03 12:45 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

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Ex-fucking-xactly. Not being attached to material possessions doesn't mean you have to live in some state of mind where you don't collect or even don't care about the possessions that you do have.





I agree!


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Seuss]
    #1965696 - 09/30/03 12:52 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

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Seuss said:
You are either attached to possessions or you are not, you can't have it both ways. A parent and child are the best example I can think of. A child may belong with a parent, but that parent does not own the child.





There is a difference between being attached to possessions and recoginzing the fact that no one owns a material possession.

I agree. You are either attached to the possession or you aren't. Why the hell shouldn't we be able to then have possessions and even protect them from theft? There is a difference between not being emotionally attached to any object and "owning" an object.

Are you addicted (attached) to marijuana, mushrooms? Can you still do them, even if you are not addicted? I am not addicted to watching television, or my computer, or to having a pocket full of money, but that doesn't mean I still can't watch television, use my computer, or have money.
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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1965746 - 09/30/03 01:12 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Addiction to a substance and attachment to an object are two very different beasts.  :smile:

You own a television.  If I walk into your house and take your television.  If you get upset that I am stealing something of yours, then you are attached to that object.  I am speaking from a Buddhist viewpoint, which is perhaps were the confusion is coming from.


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Seuss]
    #1965822 - 09/30/03 01:34 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

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Seuss said:
Addiction to a substance and attachment to an object are two very different beasts.  :smile:




As long as it isn't some sort of physical addiction (can't think of one out there, however, except perhaps energy that keeps us alive), it is the exact same thing, although an addiction to a drug is usually more intense..

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You own a television.  If I walk into your house and take your television.  If you get upset that I am stealing something of yours, then you are attached to that object.  I am speaking from a Buddhist viewpoint, which is perhaps were the confusion is coming from. 




If I got upset that something was happening that didn't fit my preferences (in this case, continuing to have my television set), then it is an addiction. Not having any emotional attachment to an object does not mean that you can't continue to have said object or even do anything to stop someone from stealing it if it is possible.

If it isn't possible, let's say you walk home, your television set is gone, and the cops are lazy bastards harassing people about marijuana than actually fighting real crime, than the loss of your television set won't cause any sort of negative emotions (unless you are addicted!).

It is a Buddhist belief, but it is also a belief that I hold. I by no means have transcended attachment as of yet, but it is something that is constantly worked towards..
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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: chunder]
    #1966036 - 09/30/03 02:54 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

whos buddha? whats a bike? whats lock? somewhat cheesy..yes i know..but it had to be done...


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: purenergy]
    #1967049 - 09/30/03 08:12 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

The way I see it is this. For the Buddha not to chain his bike in a place where it is likely to get stolen, is the same thing as the buddha not practicing his meditations during a time of stress and chaos.

Its common sense, it hurts nothing, and it protects what is yours, whether that be your bike, your calmness, your well-being, etc.


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: chunder]
    #1967085 - 09/30/03 08:24 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

The Buddha would not lock his bike as he owns a Chopper :lol:
n it's protect by Cosmic Forces...heavily armed, might I add :grin:
n if u messed up his favorite leather jacket with the
Yin/Yan symbol on the back...he would kick your ass ! :lol:
sorry couldn't resist :tongue:


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: chunder]
    #1967120 - 09/30/03 08:37 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

There were no bikes in his time.

It's been settled. :wink: 


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Zahid]
    #1967130 - 09/30/03 08:40 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
There were no bikes in his time.

It's been settled. :wink: 



I have it on good (almost sober) authority that
he owned a Harley...
he managed to finagle one from his future reincarnations... :grin:


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Zahid]
    #1967473 - 09/30/03 10:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

lol, lucid!

Surely there was some kind of early bicycle back then? Maybe they just weren't any good so no one bothered locking them up anyway.


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: chunder]
    #1968050 - 10/01/03 01:00 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Buddha would do whatever he had to do


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2084482 - 11/08/03 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This is funny because I know a guy who doesn't lock his bike up. He got it stolen. Before that happened, he borrowed someone else's bike and it got stolen. Nowadays I understand he doesn't lock his bike up still. And you know what? It's also not his bike! He's borrowing it. Funny stuff. So the real question is:

If Buddha borrowed someone else's bike who isn't a buddhist and is attached to his material possessions, then would Buddha lock that bike up?


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2084681 - 11/08/03 07:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well Buddha had better lock up my bike if he's going to borrow it. Or just be prepared to repay the loss with something of equal value. Though this value does not necessarily need to be a new bike, for circumstances will determine that. Had I felt Buddhas teachings and example were a very valuable thing in my life, I might consider him having my bike stolen a fair trade for what he'd already given.

Anyway, I don't think people should not chain up bikes, or try to protect the things that they currently have possession of just because you should not be attached to material things. I gaurantee that if someone stole your clothes, your money, your shelter that you would be upset. Theres not a Buddhist on this site that can truthfully claim they feel otherwise. I do agree that possessions should however not become overly important.


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2084707 - 11/08/03 07:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think your sig illustrates what will be the hardest thing for you to give up your attachment to!


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: GazzBut]
    #2084723 - 11/08/03 07:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
I think your sig illustrates what will be the hardest thing for you to give up your attachment to!




You mean the signature itself or the bass guitars?

It is true.. I am attached to my bass guitars. One of the hardest things for me to live without. I am attached to them. I don't know if it is something that I ever want to give up.

I don't suffer if I don't have one, but if I go two months without having one, I start to suffer...
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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2084880 - 11/08/03 08:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I would so very much love to see the Buddha riding down my street on a bike!  :lol: Would Buddha have a squeezy horn on his bike? And if so, would he honk as he rode by? 


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Re: Would Buddha lock his bike? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2084946 - 11/08/03 09:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

he wouldnt have a bike because that it is a material possession that he would have attatchment to, which is against his soteriological path to escape Samsara.

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