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zouden said:

except for those 45.7 million people who aren't.

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A little reading will show 45 million to be a number long shown to be bogus.

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I'm just getting it from the Census.

lonestar2004 said:

and is this major reform that Obama wants going to now cover those 45.7 million?

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Isn't it? I thought that was the whole point.

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What? That's... pretty boring. Hardly the universal healthcare scheme that I've been hearing about. They're going to increase health spending by, what, 4 percent? And the percentage of people who are covered by health insurance will increase by 4.8%. Wow.

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zouden said:

I'm just getting it from the Census.

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I'm sure the Feds would never exaggerate.

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zouden said:

luvdemshrooms said:

zouden said:

I'm just getting it from the Census.

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I'm sure the Feds would never exaggerate.

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You're accusing the Census Bureau of falsifying data for political means? That's a pretty serious accusation. As you said to me in another thread, substantiate it or retract it.

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zouden said:

zappaisgod said:

Anybody who doesn't have health insurance because they can't afford it is covered by Medicare/Medicaid.  I repeat, the truly needy are already covered.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about regarding the US health care and you prove it over and over again.

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http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidGenInfo/

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Medicaid does not provide medical assistance for all poor persons. Even under the broadest provisions of the Federal statute (except for emergency services for certain persons), the Medicaid program does not provide health care services, even for very poor persons, unless they are in one of the designated eligibility groups.

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http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf (page 27)

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Both the percentage and number of people without health insurance decreased in 2007. The percentage without health insurance was 15.3 percent in 2007, down from 15.8 percent in 2006, and the number of uninsured was 45.7 million, down from 47.0 million (Table 6)

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Economic Status
The proportion of people not covered by health insurance is lower among people with higher income. In 2007, 24.5 percent of people in households with annual incomes of less than $25,000 had no health insurance coverage. Uninsured rates decreased for each consecutive household income group to 21.1 percent for households with incomes of $25,000 to $49,999, 14.5 percent for households with incomes of $50,000 to $74,999, and 7.8 percent for households with incomes of $75,000 or more. Among the four household income groups in Table 6, the uninsured rate was not statistically different in 2007 from 2006 in the lower three groups. The uninsured rate fell for people in households in the highest income group to 7.8 percent in 2007, from 8.5 percent in 2006.

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"I repeat, the truly needy are already covered." - except for those 45.7 million people who aren't.

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Let's see.  You are a young male college student with no income who decides to go rock climbing.  You fall and break your leg.  I goddamn well hope I aint paying your fucking bill. 

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A lot of them don't have it because they don't want to pay for it.  Probably most

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Let's see.  You are a young male college student with no income who decides to go rock climbing.  You fall and break your leg.  I goddamn well hope I aint paying your fucking bill. 

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If that student was covered by the same private insurer as you, you'd be paying anyway. That's just the way insurance works, regardless of if the insurer is owned by the government. Yours is an argument against insuring young people.

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A lot of them don't have it because they don't want to pay for it.  Probably most

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I'd say some, not most. How do you explain the fact that the uninsured rate is higher at the bottom end of the socio-economic scale? Do you really think that all those poor people don't have insurance because they just don't want it? Come on. My explanation makes far more sense. They don't have insurance because they can't afford it and they aren't covered by Medicaid because Medicaid isn't designed to cover everyone.

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There's also the Frost family there.  Easily able to afford insurance but spend it elsewhere.  And I should pay for these fuckholes?

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How about he just pays his bill.  And only his bill.  Then there's no problem.  Everybody pays their own bill.  WOW, WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!!!!!

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WASHINGTON — House Democrats will ask the wealthiest Americans to help pay for overhauling the health care system with a $550 billion income tax increase, the chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee said Friday.

The proposal calls for a surtax on individuals earning at least $280,000 in adjusted gross income and couples earning more than $350,000, said the chairman, Representative Charles B. Rangel of New York.

It would generate about $550 billion over 10 years to pay about half the cost of the legislation, Mr. Rangel said. As the proposal envisions it, the rest of the cost would be covered by lower spending on Medicare, the government health plan for the elderly, and other health care savings.

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Stonehenge said:

I get my health insurance tax free and i don't even work for a company. They allow you to deduct the whole amount if you are self employed. Now zappa is mad at me too.

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Stonehenge said:

All expenses should be deductible including drugs, gambing, etc.

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What kind of job do you have where drugs and gambling are expenses?

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Just make inflation 20% a year to pay for it. That part they are working on.

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