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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9849144 - 02/23/09 09:41 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Apparently not.. And since when has it been a major point of our government, to socilaize healthcare?? It is private, informed groups, fighting for those with less of a voice. It is comical, how so often people, who are not even effected by something, choose to make it a plight. Especially when there are so many more pertinent things to argue over.. You are going to pay taxes no matter what. Why are you so concerned about people actually benifiting from some of that money. The real issue with mis spent tax money, would be war, and the war on drugs, with are the biggest contributors to our debt. Followed by illegal imigrants. Things like this are actualy drains, and if you took the trillons spent each year in the middle east, and the billons spent on fighting drugs away, you would never even notice a change in taxes. In fact, you would be able to be taxed less, and even more of that money could help the less fortunate.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849183 - 02/23/09 09:50 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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It is comical, how so often people, who are not even effected by something, choose to make it a plight.  The real issue with mis spent tax money, would be war, and the war on drugs, with are the biggest contributors to our debt.




And President Obama is now EXPANDING the war effort!



President Barack Obama is sending 17,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to fight a growing insurgency, but will they make a difference?


http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/20/more-us-troops-for-afghanistan/


where is the outrage? just dead silence......


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849185 - 02/23/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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And it is not completely fucking corrupt right now?? It is a meat industry.. Healthcare companies, make there loot, from denying (experimental treatment) Which can pretty much include almost anything. We currently have a horrible healthcare system.. And to the guy who said he shouldn't have to pay to help others... wow. You are exactly what pisses off the rest of the world.. The lack of compassion for the fellow man.. I believe it was said once, that  we judge a nation on how they treat the least amongst them.. That is what is supposed to be great about this country, and what is seemingly beginning to fail.




No, it is not corrupt.  Further, I can choose among a wide assortment of health insurers and plans that have different policies regarding in plan and out of plan doctors.  I can go to doctors who are out of plan and pay more to do so IF I SO CHOOSE.  I can also refuse health insurance all together and have a health  savings account IF I SO CHOOSE.  Or nothing and just pay out of pocket IF I SO CHOOSE.  If my insurer doesn't want to cover something I can get another insurer IF I SO CHOOSE.

"that  we judge a nation on how they treat the least amongst them"

What socialist bullshit.  I suppose you think we should give them Ferraris and a home and anything else?  Here's how to judge a nation in the real world.  We give everybody an opportunity to work to support themnselves.  Not handouts.  Why should I help you?  I don't even like you.  Now get a job and support your own self.  Feel free to help anybody else you want, just keep your commie hands out of my wallet.

I guess you've given up trying to argue Barry isn't a socialist.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849201 - 02/23/09 09:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Apparently not.. And since when has it been a major point of our government, to socilaize healthcare?? It is private, informed groups, fighting for those with less of a voice. It is comical, how so often people, who are not even effected by something, choose to make it a plight. Especially when there are so many more pertinent things to argue over.. You are going to pay taxes no matter what. Why are you so concerned about people actually benifiting from some of that money. The real issue with mis spent tax money, would be war, and the war on drugs, with are the biggest contributors to our debt. Followed by illegal imigrants. Things like this are actualy drains, and if you took the trillons spent each year in the middle east, and the billons spent on fighting drugs away, you would never even notice a change in taxes. In fact, you would be able to be taxed less, and even more of that money could help the less fortunate.




If you take those expenditures away I want all of the savings sent back to me, who paid for them.  ALL OF THEM.  I do not give a rat's ass what you would do with my money.  I want it back.  ALL OF IT.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9849211 - 02/23/09 09:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Commie??? You are a funny man.. I lean more on the side of Noam on this one. I am not a big fan of government at all. But sense humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing. You speak on a only the strong survive plane. Hmmm?? That sounds a bit primative.. There has supposedly been a progression of the human species, but I am not seeing it.. Sounds like you want rights, but no responsiblites.. Only for yourself huh?? And who is Barry??


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849243 - 02/23/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

BARACK OBAMA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS BARRY SOETORO


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849251 - 02/23/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Commie??? You are a funny man.. I lean more on the side of Noam on this one. I am not a big fan of government at all. But sense humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing. You speak on a only the strong survive plane. Hmmm?? That sounds a bit primative.. There has supposedly been a progression of the human species, but I am not seeing it.. Sounds like you want rights, but no responsiblites.. Only for yourself huh?? And who is Barry??




WOW.  Just wow.  I already pay far too much to support far too many bums.  They are stealing from me to take for themselves.  You want them to steal more.  No thank you.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9849262 - 02/23/09 10:09 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No, I don't want them to steal anything. It is obvious for a tax system to work, there needs to be regulation and accountability.. We obviously should have more say in what our tax dollars are spent on.. If this were the case, we probably wouldn't be in such a hole now. The problem isn't being taxed, but the overflow of corruption amongst those issuing and collecting.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9849286 - 02/23/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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If you take those expenditures away I want all of the savings sent back to me, who paid for them.  ALL OF THEM.  I do not give a rat's ass what you would do with my money.  I want it back.  ALL OF IT.




So it's ok for the government to spend huge sums of money to protect the interests of the rich, but not ok for them to spend money helping the poor?

I won't even bother to argue why I think socialized health care is a good thing since we'll never be in agreement anyways. But wars aren't helping humanity. Drug bans aren't helping humanity. So you're right, give me my money back. I'm sick of paying for your fucking wars.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849316 - 02/23/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> But sense (sic) humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing.

Yes, socialism tends to lead to fascism; who, exactly, decides what is the "right thing" to "encourage" people towards... and, how forceful should "encouragement" be?


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9849339 - 02/23/09 10:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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> But sense (sic) humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing.

Yes, socialism tends to lead to fascism; who, exactly, decides what is the "right thing" to "encourage" people towards... and, how forceful should "encouragement" be?




Maybe slightly less forceful than we encourage democracy in third world nations...


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9849461 - 02/23/09 10:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sick of paying for your fucking wars.




Me too!





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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9849464 - 02/23/09 10:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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If you take those expenditures away I want all of the savings sent back to me, who paid for them.  ALL OF THEM.  I do not give a rat's ass what you would do with my money.  I want it back.  ALL OF IT.




So it's ok for the government to spend huge sums of money to protect the interests of the rich, but not ok for them to spend money helping the poor?




Where do you think the money came from?  As to that, Medicaid and Medicare already help the poor and elderly, so why do you want to fuck up everything else?
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I won't even bother to argue why I think socialized health care is a good thing since we'll never be in agreement anyways. But wars aren't helping humanity. Drug bans aren't helping humanity. So you're right, give me my money back. I'm sick of paying for your fucking wars.




You don't pay for anything.  I do.  Wars don't help humanity?  Bullshit.  Or would prefer to be speaking German today?  Or living under sharia law?  Because without it that's what we'd be doing.  I won't even bother asking if you would prefer communism.  I know you think you do.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9849475 - 02/23/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You seem to have such a mundane view of communism, and socialism.. I was wondering if you could give me an example of an actualy socialist, or communist society, that has contributed to the state of this view??:confused:


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849538 - 02/23/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Khmer Rouge?


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9849561 - 02/23/09 11:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

True communism, and socialism, have no dictators.."agrarian communism"??? Really it doesn't sound like it..


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849573 - 02/23/09 11:18 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You can talk about an ideal communist society, but all we can judge communism by are its real-life incarnations.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9849588 - 02/23/09 11:22 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Same for a free market capitolist society. The workings of which have depleted our nations money, and allowed for corrupt monoplies(halliburton) to move overseas, no longer pay US Taxes, and still be in charge of building for the US Military...


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849604 - 02/23/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And amazingly enough, it's still provided for the highest quality of life in the history of mankind.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9849625 - 02/23/09 11:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

At what cost???


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