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Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?)
#9727783 - 02/03/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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First Tim Geithner. Now Tom Daschle? Who’s Obama’s next cabinet pick - Wesley Snipes? Dianne Wilkerson?
Not to upset the loyal O-Bots out there, but the last guy from Chicago to have this much income tax trouble was Al Capone. And at last report, he still had an outside shot at getting Commerce secretary.
President Obama pledged to change Washington, and he has. Before Obama, tax cheats used to lose jobs.
Conservative academic Victor Davis Hanson calls the choice of Daschle the “Rezkozation” of the Obama administration. Tony Rezko, you may recall, was the bagman who bankrolled part of Obama’s political career. He’s also a felon.
Amazingly enough, therefore, he hasn’t been tapped to serve in the Obama administration. Yet.
Hanson also points out that Daschle is a “threefer”: a tax cheat, a $5 million-dollar lobbyist (Daschle called himself a “strategist”) and a populist hypocrite to boot.
To paraphrase Dean Wormer from “Animal House,” “Inept, corrupt and elitist is no way to go through life, Tom.” But it’s a great way to get a job from Barack Obama.
Try to imagine Bill Clinton or George Bush getting away with picking a Treasury secretary who didn’t pay his own taxes and then accepted reimbursement for taxes he didn’t pay.
But to follow up one tax cheat with a nominee who skipped on $140,000 in taxes - particularly a former Senate majority leader who wrote the same tax laws he now claims he doesn’t understand - is unimaginable.
Obama pledged there would be “no lobbyists” in his administration. But Daschle earned millions working for lobbying firms like Alston & Bird, and specifically received $220,000 from health-care companies. He “forgot” to report $83,000 in income entirely. Now Daschle’s the “Hope and Change” pick to oversee the health-care industry?
The people are figuring out what “change” really means. It means a “stimulus” bill that Obama says contains no earmarks has money for a Frisbee golf course in Texas. It means a trillion-dollar boondoggle that, according to a new USA Today/Gallup poll, most Americans believe will either have little impact on their finances or actually make things worse.
Six more months of this, and Americans won’t just be hoping for change. We’ll be desperate for it.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?&articleid=1149677&format=&page=2&listingType=opi#articleFull
The first tax cheat wants to be in charge to the IRS and the second tax cheat wants to be in charge of Medicare when he didn't pay Medicare taxes.....
Make no mistake. Tax cheaters cheat us all. The IRS should enforce our laws to the letter." - Tom Daschle,
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9728129 - 02/03/09 11:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is what happens when you put a retard in charge of the store. Sure, he can stack shelves but can he hire? Don't forget Hillary! The ever swirling NYTimes had something the other day regarding international concerns about Barry's protectionist bent. Well, duh, it's in the crap sandwich bill. 1/20/12 People. Unless we can get something sooner.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9728148 - 02/03/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just realized that if we do get something sooner it will mean SloJo or that San Fran Nan criminal. Then what? * The Vice President Joseph Biden * Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi * President pro tempore of the Senate1 Robert Byrd * Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton * Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner * Secretary of Defense Robert Gates * Attorney General Eric Holder2 * Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar * Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack * Secretary of Commerce TBA * Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis2 * Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Daschle2 * Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan * Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood * Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu * Secretary of Education Arne Duncan * Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki * Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano
What a fucking nightmare. I'd like to extend my heartfelt thanks to all the anencephalic douches who elected this steaming pile. Well done, morons.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9728425 - 02/03/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Joseph Biden Nancy Pelosi Robert Byrd Hillary Clinton
jesus....
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9728444 - 02/03/09 12:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Daschle Is Out!!!!!
On Fox News now.
"Let's review the super awesome start of this new and most ethical administration evah! Bill Richardson, out over a federal indictment. Daschle and Killefer out over taxes. Geithner squeaks by with his tax problem. And let's not forget the waivers for all the lobbyists that Obama said he wouldn't have to begin with.
http://ace.mu.nu/
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9728832 - 02/03/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu
What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9729765 - 02/03/09 05:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
lawyer with apparently no experience in agriculture
why am I not surprised
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
#9729769 - 02/03/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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zouden said:
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Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu
What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
Nobel Prize... they give those away for popularity now
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9729786 - 02/03/09 05:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
lawyer with apparently no experience in agriculture
why am I not surprised
I would say a governor of a state like Iowa would have to deal with agriculture.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
#9729820 - 02/03/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought you guys viewed tax evaders as heroes?
I don't get it.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9729822 - 02/03/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
lawyer with apparently no experience in agriculture
why am I not surprised
Because we all know that the secretary of agriculture is expected to run a farm.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
#9729896 - 02/03/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu
What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
In case you missed it, that was a list posted to illustrate the succession to the Presidency should something unfortunate happen, NOT a list of people I think are unqualified for their positions. Now I ask you all, "How far down the list do you have to go before you don't puke?"
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
#9730081 - 02/03/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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zouden said:
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Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu
What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
That guy spoke at my graduation.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9730186 - 02/03/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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zouden said:
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Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu
What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
In case you missed it, that was a list posted to illustrate the succession to the Presidency should something unfortunate happen, NOT a list of people I think are unqualified for their positions. Now I ask you all, "How far down the list do you have to go before you don't puke?"
Barfing all the way, here.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9732319 - 02/03/09 11:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd rather have tax evaders then cronies appointed through nepotism who are hell bent on wrecking the Constitution. Taxes are gay anyway.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9732471 - 02/04/09 12:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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taxes are illegal. the only thing that is supposed to be taxed is corporate profits or things that people vote to be taxed, but you have the option to choose, like cigarettes, alcohol, etc, not motha fuckin income! the government are thieves, once again. it's all right there folks. there are no laws requiring you to pay federal or state income taxes. why can they arrest you for it then? IT'S A SCAM! how did the country function before 1913 when the IRS was started?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: deyon01]
#9733092 - 02/04/09 06:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9733719 - 02/04/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: I'd rather have tax evaders then cronies appointed through nepotism who are hell bent on wrecking the Constitution. Taxes are gay anyway.
I'm with you i hate taxes.
"but there are not two sets of rules for people, the average taxpayers deserve to have public officials who pay their taxes on time." Barack Obama
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9733732 - 02/04/09 10:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Republicans don't want taxes, and Dems won't pay them...hmmmmmm. Im neither a dem nor Republican, but more a progressive radical. For the few of you who may be reading this who actually know what true socialism is,,, You know a Socialist Democracy is the closet thing to Eutopia. That is what I believe in.. Free Market is nice and all, but at what cost.. When 90 percent of the wealth, lies in the hands of 2 percent of the people. When 100's of thousands of families are without health care, and many more with out suffienct health care. When our schools are among the worst, even by third world standards. hmmmmmm.:(
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
#9733747 - 02/04/09 10:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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flip3084 said: For the few of you who may be reading this who actually know what true socialism is,,, You know a Socialist Democracy is the closet thing to Eutopia. our schools are among the worst, even by third world standards. hmmmmmm.:(
IMO our Public Schools are already Socialist Schools...
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9734925 - 02/04/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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"but there are not two sets of rules for people, the average taxpayers deserve to have public officials who pay their taxes on time." Barack Obama
:sigh:
Yeah, he's not the messiah. Bet he'll still be a good prez though
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9735017 - 02/04/09 03:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not fucking likely.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9735069 - 02/04/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Not fucking likely.
Right, well yeah he won't make the rich richer, he won't ban abortion, he won't engage the Islamic world in a war of aggression, he won't fuck the economy up worse then it already is, he won't wipe his ass with the Constitution. So yeah.... oh wait, that makes him a good president! Jackass.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9735086 - 02/04/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think Bush set the bar pretty low. When I heard that some of Obama's cabinet hadn't paid their taxes my first thought was "Phew, is that all?"
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
#9735094 - 02/04/09 03:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bush buried the bar
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9735100 - 02/04/09 03:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting, I edited my post but it said it was edited by "anonymous". The forum is really stoned today.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Right, well yeah he won't make the rich richer,
Not his jobQuote:
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Not his jobQuote:
he won't engage the Islamic world in a war of aggression,
What a silly descriptorQuote:
he won't fuck the economy up worse then it already is
Now there's a fucking wet dream. He's well on his way to doing that.Quote:
, he won't wipe his ass with the Constitution
He already has nominating HillaryQuote:
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9736082 - 02/04/09 06:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: o yeah.... oh wait, that makes him a good president! Jackass.
Pot/kettle/black.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: TGRR]
#9736116 - 02/04/09 06:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is my last warning, to everybody, enough with the ad hominems, the baiting, and the trolling.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9738818 - 02/05/09 01:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How many members of the trilateral commission are in his cabinet? over a dozen?
change! yes we can't!
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Shins]
#9738887 - 02/05/09 02:00 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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>How many members of the trilateral commission are in his cabinet?
I don't know, do you?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
#9738947 - 02/05/09 02:14 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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actually, it's 11 :P 
Obama: Trilateral Commission Endgame.
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As previously noted in Pawns of the Global Elite, Barack Obama was groomed for the presidency by key members of the Trilateral Commission. Most notably, it was Zbigniew Brzezinski, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller in 1973, who was Obama's principal foreign policy advisor.
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According to official Trilateral Commission membership lists, there are only 87 members from the United States (the other 337 members are from other regions). Thus, in less than two weeks since his inauguration, Obama's appointments encompass more than 12% of Commission's entire U.S. membership.
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* Secretary of Treasury, Tim Geithner * Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice * National Security Advisor, Gen. James L. Jones * Deputy National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon * Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volker * Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair * Assistant Secretary of State, Asia & Pacific, Kurt M. Campbell * Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg * State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Haass * State Department, Special Envoy, Dennis Ross * State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Holbrooke
There are many other incidental links to the Trilateral Commission, for instance,
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is married to Commission member William Jefferson Clinton.
Geithner's informal group of advisors include E. Gerald Corrigan, Paul Volker, Alan Greenspan and Peter G. Peterson, among others. His first job after college was with Henry Kissinger at Kissinger Associates.
Brent Scowcroft has been an unofficial advisor to Obama and was mentor to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
Robert Zoelick is currently president of the World Bank
Laurence Summers, White House Economic Advisor, was mentored by former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin during the Clinton administration.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Shins]
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How nice of the secret shadow government to publish their membership roles for public scrutiny.
How do you know that isn't a fake membership list, to throw you off the scent of the TRUE NWO?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Madtowntripper]
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The Trilateral Commission is just a front for the Illuminati, which is just a front for the Reptilians, who are just a front for the Trilateral Commission.
Sinister societies, or just incompetent bureaucracies? YOU DECIDE
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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I remember calling the Trilateral Commission HQ in NYC when I was like, 15.
I had this book, "Behold a Pale Horse" by crazy conspiracy theorist William Cooper. And it talked about alien conspiracies and how the government had killed JFK because he was about to reveal the secret US-Soviet moonbase and all kinds of other crazy shit.
But in the appendix they had a shadow government pull-out, and at the bottom it listed the address and number for the Commission.
So we called them and asked them if they were, in fact, the New World Order.
The receptionist, I remember, was very polite and told us that "No, they weren't, but everyone thought they were..."
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Madtowntripper]
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And they've been monitoring you ever since.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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fuck that, Madtown could now be one of them!!!!
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
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I don't like paying my taxes, look at how much their wasting right now, but if they write the damn codes and make me pay mine, they better pay theirs.
And what is with these no penalties? So now the government is better than the people it SERVES?
By the way, if anyone is thinking of forming a mob and throwing these assholes out, let me know.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu
What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
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Energy Secretary Steven Chu may be a Nobel laureate Ph.D. in physics, but his first forays into energy policy suggest he's a neophyte when it comes to the ways of Washington. At a forum with reporters on Thursday, the head of the department that has traditionally taken the lead on global oil-market policy, was asked what message the Obama administration had for the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries at its meeting next month. "I'm not the administration," the Cabinet secretary replied. "I will be speaking and learning more about this in order to figure out what the U.S. position should be and what the president's position is." Chu, who is still without a deputy, said he feels "like I've been dumped into the deep end of the pool" on oil policy. The day before, reporters asked him about OPEC output levels after a speech to a group of utility regulators. He responded that the issue was "not in my domain." Later, in a conference call to reporters, he said his answer reflected "more of my naiveté than anything else."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/20/1803006.aspx
An energy sec who doesn't know anything about oil, sounds good to me.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: d33p]
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I still prefer someone who knows science over someone who knows politics. It's easier to learn politics.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: d33p]
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What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/20/1803006.aspx
An energy sec who doesn't know anything about oil, sounds good to me.
Obama's Energy Secretary (Steven Chu) "OPEC OIL output levels are not in my domain??????
Jesus!!!
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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> I still prefer someone who knows science over someone who knows politics. It's easier to learn politics.
As proven by Jimmy Carter.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
#9834847 - 02/20/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, very good point. He was a nuclear engineer yet somehow he ended up passing very restrictive nuclear energy policies? I guess he wasn't good enough at the politics
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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Yeah, I think he's got that one quite backward. Science has rules and shit.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9835314 - 02/20/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sick of the bullshit polarized opinions of Obama. Half the people think he's the freakin messiah, and the other half that see him fall short of that are already damning him as a president.
Do I agree with every decision he makes? Hell no. But as it's been pointed out, Bush set the bar pretty low and got us in to this mess. And I still firmly believe that Obama will be a much better president than McCain would've been. The country is on the verge of a depression. It's not gonna be all flowers and sunshine.
As for the corruption, I agree it's bullshit. Why not just appoint me the new Drug Czar? I think these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But what bothers me even more is that these people are complete fucking hypocrites.
The problem with Obama's choices is he attempts to appear more bi-partisan or moderate than he really is. Fuck the right, you're the president now. You don't have to appease these people and fill your cabinet with corruption. It's just politics as usual not "change". I'm a pretty open democratic socialist so I suppose that's easy for me to say, but it sure beats having a president that thinks he talks to God. And on that note, I think it's pretty funny to hear people call Obama a socialist. Quite frankly, I'm offended
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
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Amen.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
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That post just won the internet. +5
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
#9835675 - 02/20/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Fuck the right, you're the president now.
The President represents the people, not just the people that voted for him. Your shallow statement represents the major problem with the US- partisan politics; politicians that worry more about what is good for their political party rather than worry about what is best for the people.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
#9835944 - 02/20/09 10:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's exactly the point, he should do what's best for the country. If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.
Look at the context of it. When I say "fuck the right" I mean fuck his willingness to pander to the masses.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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Well, sure. Because the secretary of agriculture might need to run a farm, one day.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
#9837101 - 02/21/09 03:52 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Look at the context of it. When I say "fuck the right" I mean fuck his willingness to pander to the masses.
Ah, then I misread your intent and offer an apology.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
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F0SS1L said: That's exactly the point, he should do what's best for the country.
I doubt that he and I will agree about what is best for the country. That doesn't mean that either of us is not trying to determine that. Although I find it suspicious that what he thinks is best involves accruing more power for himself, government in general and Democrats in particular. Quote:
If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.
What? All of the corrupt politicians he has selected are Democrats. There is nothing bi-partisan about them.Quote:
Look at the context of it. When I say "fuck the right" I mean fuck his willingness to pander to the masses.
This is more laughable nonsense. His populist "pandering to the masses" is and always has been leftist. Here is the exact paragraph you used with "Fuck the right"
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The problem with Obama's choices is he attempts to appear more bi-partisan or moderate than he really is. Fuck the right, you're the president now. You don't have to appease these people and fill your cabinet with corruption. It's just politics as usual not "change". I'm a pretty open democratic socialist so I suppose that's easy for me to say, but it sure beats having a president that thinks he talks to God. And on that note, I think it's pretty funny to hear people call Obama a socialist. Quite frankly, I'm offended
Your usage of "Fuck the right" had not one thing to do with "pandering to the masses" and everything to do with ignoring the huge numbers of voters who did not actually vote for this empty suit phony. He attempts to appear bi-partisan but is in fact anything but. He has done nothing but cram his leftist, socialist agenda down the minority party's neck. To such an extent that he had this to say about bi-partisanship.
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President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.
And you are just as bad. You seem to think he has been elected Emperor and doesn't have to pay any attention at all to the Party that was voted for by almost half of the people. Which can change, oh yes it can change quite rapidly. And then you make the nonsensical assertion that he is choosing corrupt politicians from the other party in order to appear bi-partisan. No, child, the corrupt politicians he is choosing are from his party.
Your level of offense is of no concern to me. Only a devout hard core Marxist would deny his socialist bent. In sum, your facts are wrong, your conclusions are ridiculous and your reasoning is tortured and disjointed.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9839482 - 02/21/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey listen, don't take take everything I say completely literally. Maybe some of my points were ill-received, but you also seem to be implying I said things that I didn't.
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If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.
What? All of the corrupt politicians he has selected are Democrats. There is nothing bi-partisan about them.
Where did I say they were republicans? My statement was hypothetical. I fully expect his cabinet to be filled with democrats. But I also expect them not to be corrupt. As I said, it should be the best man for the job regardless of political alignment.
You said it yourself, Obama does attempt to appear bi-partisan. And bad decisions in an attempt to appear bi-partisan are just as bad as bad decisions to appeal to your own party. That's pandering to someone.
You're right though, these are democrats in his cabinet we're talking about so I see where there may be some confusion in what I said. But he does attempt to appear bi-partisan and more moderate than he really is. That's nonsense because he DID win, and it's his prerogative to act as he sees fit. He's not an emperor. Point is, political action should take precedent over political image.
I think party politics are dumb, just as I think polarized opinions of Obama are dumb. I don't need to be painted with that brush because I can sit here and tell you myself I'm a socialist. But I also realize my opinions need to be kept in check. Which is why I enjoy the political discussions I have with a good friend of mine. He's far more moderate than I and provides an outside perspective.
I don't know where you got the idea I was trying to pin this on republicans because that really has nothing to do with my post.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
#9839614 - 02/21/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.
What? All of the corrupt politicians he has selected are Democrats. There is nothing bi-partisan about them.
Where did I say they were republicans? My statement was hypothetical. I fully expect his cabinet to be filled with democrats. But I also expect them not to be corrupt. As I said, it should be the best man for the job regardless of political alignment.
Bi-partisan means from both parties. So far all the tax and ethics deficient nominees have been from one party. There is nothing bi-partisan about the corruption in the Obama administration. Yet, of course.Quote:
You said it yourself, Obama does attempt to appear bi-partisan. And bad decisions in an attempt to appear bi-partisan are just as bad as bad decisions to appeal to your own party. That's pandering to someone.
"Pandering" is a word that gets used far too much.Quote:
You're right though, these are democrats in his cabinet we're talking about so I see where there may be some confusion in what I said. But he does attempt to appear bi-partisan and more moderate than he really is. That's nonsense because he DID win, and it's his prerogative to act as he sees fit. He's not an emperor. Point is, political action should take precedent over political image.
I think party politics are dumb, just as I think polarized opinions of Obama are dumb. I don't need to be painted with that brush because I can sit here and tell you myself I'm a socialist. But I also realize my opinions need to be kept in check. Which is why I enjoy the political discussions I have with a good friend of mine. He's far more moderate than I and provides an outside perspective.
My objection to Barry has nothing to do with my held-nose support of Republicans. I think he is dumb and his policies and acts so far have been very bad for the country. If there was no Republican party I would still think that.Quote:
I don't know where you got the idea I was trying to pin this on republicans because that really has nothing to do with my post.
Like I said earlier, it was your improper use of the word "bi-partisan". I also don't think he is much trying to even appear bi-partisan. The media is trying to by themselves. They're already trying to spread the blame around.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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"Pandering" is a word that gets used far too much.
Not when you consider how much it occurs.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
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What isn't pandering when they're trying to get votes and approval? That's 100% of what they do.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: d33p]
#9845133 - 02/22/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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That was probably a contributing factor to his nomination, what with the desire to expand into alternative energies and such.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
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> Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.
So it is flawed logic when they are Democrats, but not flawed logic when they are neo-cons? (I know you are fairly new here, but the lefties tend to blame neo-cons (perhaps rightly so) for being corrupt by nature.) Just pointing out the double standard.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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You're so jumpy Seuss, he's just saying that relating political affiliation to corruption is flawed logic.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: > Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.
So it is flawed logic when they are Democrats, but not flawed logic when they are neo-cons? (I know you are fairly new here, but the lefties tend to blame neo-cons (perhaps rightly so) for being corrupt by nature.) Just pointing out the double standard.
It's flawed logic to apply it to one party, as if party had anything to do with it. Sarah Palin, for example, just got her ass in a crack over unpaid taxes. This isn't a republican thing, or a democrat thing, it's a politician thing.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: TGRR]
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> This isn't a republican thing, or a democrat thing, it's a politician thing.
Which is the point I was trying to make... in a round-about manner.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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That was the point already being made
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: > Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.
So it is flawed logic when they are Democrats, but not flawed logic when they are neo-cons? (I know you are fairly new here, but the lefties tend to blame neo-cons (perhaps rightly so) for being corrupt by nature.) Just pointing out the double standard.
California has some corrupt ass Republicans and Illinois has some corrupt ass Democrats.
Corruption has no political party, everyone is invited to take part.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
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The biggest difference is the corruption was not only tolerated, but encouraged and covered up for the past 8 years, and now the message is being sent that those days are over. Nothing could be more corrupt than dick cheneys 'secret energy task force' made up of oil execs just before oil prices quadrupled, but they refused to cooperate or even disclose minutes of the meetings, and every one of us took it up the you know what.
Fortunately, they're trying to clean that culture up. I don't give a damn who some politician has slept with, but if he or she is a thief with my tax money, I want them gone. RR
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: RogerRabbit]
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> The biggest difference is the corruption was not only tolerated, but encouraged and covered up for the past 8 years, and now the message is being sent that those days are over.
Gee... I thought the message now was if you are corrupt and didn't pay your taxes, you can still get a job on Obama's cabinet.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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Did those guys get the job? I haven't been following this, but I thought Obama withdrew the nomination.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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Geithner is now Secretary of the Treasury. He was too big to fail. Everybody knows that corruption knows no party. My objection was to FOSS1L's assertion that the corruption in the Obama cabinet nominees somehow included members of both parties. It does not.
Palin's tax issue is that she owes taxes after just now receiving a ruling regarding the per diem she received for using her house. It was not at all clear that she did. She could probably appeal it if she wanted to. Or just pay the few grand. There is nothing improper or corrupt going on there at all.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: TGRR]
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Sarah Palin, for example, just got her ass in a crack over unpaid taxes. This isn't a republican thing, or a democrat thing, it's a politician thing.
Sarah Palin is in trouble for not paying her taxes?
this is another new claim about Palin that I've not heard.
please explain.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Palin's tax issue is that she owes taxes after just now receiving a ruling regarding the per diem she received for using her house. It was not at all clear that she did. She could probably appeal it if she wanted to. Or just pay the few grand. There is nothing improper or corrupt going on there at all.
Thanks Zap.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
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F0SS1L said: I'm sick of the bullshit polarized opinions of Obama. Half the people think he's the freakin messiah, and the other half that see him fall short of that are already damning him as a president.
Do I agree with every decision he makes? Hell no. But as it's been pointed out, Bush set the bar pretty low and got us in to this mess. And I still firmly believe that Obama will be a much better president than McCain would've been. The country is on the verge of a depression. It's not gonna be all flowers and sunshine.
As for the corruption, I agree it's bullshit. Why not just appoint me the new Drug Czar? I think these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But what bothers me even more is that these people are complete fucking hypocrites.
The problem with Obama's choices is he attempts to appear more bi-partisan or moderate than he really is. Fuck the right, you're the president now. You don't have to appease these people and fill your cabinet with corruption. It's just politics as usual not "change". I'm a pretty open democratic socialist so I suppose that's easy for me to say, but it sure beats having a president that thinks he talks to God. And on that note, I think it's pretty funny to hear people call Obama a socialist. Quite frankly, I'm offended
That is awesome.. and nicely put. People spew the term socialism, after hearing morons like glenn beck and Sean Hannity speak of it. Im sorry, but these men have proven themselves to be morons, and sensationlists, rather than inteligent credible sources..
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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This moron thinks Obama is a socialist and no other morons have managed to explain how he isn't. His entire health care initiative is socialist as is his homeowner bum bailout. His plan to increase taxes on those who already pay almost all of the taxes is socialist as is his plan to give tax rebates to people who don't pay taxes. Then there is the card check gift to the unions.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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How do you see socilaized healthcare, as a problem.. Wouldn't want to take care of anyone now would we??
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
#9849065 - 02/23/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why should I pay for people to be able to taken care of?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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flip3084 said: How do you see socilaized healthcare, as a problem.. Wouldn't want to take care of anyone now would we??
Weren't you the guy who just tried to make the point that he wasn't a socialist?
I see socialized health care as a problem because it will limit my choices, be run by incompetents, abused by bums and corrupt politicians, and paid for entirely by a miniscule portion of the population (mostly me). I'll take care of the people I choose to take care of, thank you very much. The rest of you can fucking take care of yourselves.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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flip3084 said: How do you see socilaized healthcare, as a problem.. Wouldn't want to take care of anyone now would we??
Weren't you the guy who just tried to make the point that he wasn't a socialist?
I see socialized health care as a problem because it will limit my choices, be run by incompetents, abused by bums and corrupt politicians, and paid for entirely by a miniscule portion of the population (mostly me). I'll take care of the people I choose to take care of, thank you very much. The rest of you can fucking take care of yourselves.
And it is not completely fucking corrupt right now?? It is a meat industry.. Healthcare companies, make there loot, from denying (experimental treatment) Which can pretty much include almost anything. We currently have a horrible healthcare system.. And to the guy who said he shouldn't have to pay to help others... wow. You are exactly what pisses off the rest of the world.. The lack of compassion for the fellow man.. I believe it was said once, that we judge a nation on how they treat the least amongst them.. That is what is supposed to be great about this country, and what is seemingly beginning to fail.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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I have plenty of compassion, I volunteer literally every week and actually hold a job at a non-profit currently. Don't talk about what you know nothing about.
I will support those who I choose, not who government says I should support. Coerced compassion is not compassion at all. Also, I could not give a shit less about what you or the rest of the world thinks about me.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
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Apparently not.. And since when has it been a major point of our government, to socilaize healthcare?? It is private, informed groups, fighting for those with less of a voice. It is comical, how so often people, who are not even effected by something, choose to make it a plight. Especially when there are so many more pertinent things to argue over.. You are going to pay taxes no matter what. Why are you so concerned about people actually benifiting from some of that money. The real issue with mis spent tax money, would be war, and the war on drugs, with are the biggest contributors to our debt. Followed by illegal imigrants. Things like this are actualy drains, and if you took the trillons spent each year in the middle east, and the billons spent on fighting drugs away, you would never even notice a change in taxes. In fact, you would be able to be taxed less, and even more of that money could help the less fortunate.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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flip3084 said: It is comical, how so often people, who are not even effected by something, choose to make it a plight. The real issue with mis spent tax money, would be war, and the war on drugs, with are the biggest contributors to our debt.
And President Obama is now EXPANDING the war effort!
President Barack Obama is sending 17,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to fight a growing insurgency, but will they make a difference?
http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/20/more-us-troops-for-afghanistan/
where is the outrage? just dead silence......
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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And it is not completely fucking corrupt right now?? It is a meat industry.. Healthcare companies, make there loot, from denying (experimental treatment) Which can pretty much include almost anything. We currently have a horrible healthcare system.. And to the guy who said he shouldn't have to pay to help others... wow. You are exactly what pisses off the rest of the world.. The lack of compassion for the fellow man.. I believe it was said once, that we judge a nation on how they treat the least amongst them.. That is what is supposed to be great about this country, and what is seemingly beginning to fail.
No, it is not corrupt. Further, I can choose among a wide assortment of health insurers and plans that have different policies regarding in plan and out of plan doctors. I can go to doctors who are out of plan and pay more to do so IF I SO CHOOSE. I can also refuse health insurance all together and have a health savings account IF I SO CHOOSE. Or nothing and just pay out of pocket IF I SO CHOOSE. If my insurer doesn't want to cover something I can get another insurer IF I SO CHOOSE.
"that we judge a nation on how they treat the least amongst them"
What socialist bullshit. I suppose you think we should give them Ferraris and a home and anything else? Here's how to judge a nation in the real world. We give everybody an opportunity to work to support themnselves. Not handouts. Why should I help you? I don't even like you. Now get a job and support your own self. Feel free to help anybody else you want, just keep your commie hands out of my wallet.
I guess you've given up trying to argue Barry isn't a socialist.
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flip3084 said: Apparently not.. And since when has it been a major point of our government, to socilaize healthcare?? It is private, informed groups, fighting for those with less of a voice. It is comical, how so often people, who are not even effected by something, choose to make it a plight. Especially when there are so many more pertinent things to argue over.. You are going to pay taxes no matter what. Why are you so concerned about people actually benifiting from some of that money. The real issue with mis spent tax money, would be war, and the war on drugs, with are the biggest contributors to our debt. Followed by illegal imigrants. Things like this are actualy drains, and if you took the trillons spent each year in the middle east, and the billons spent on fighting drugs away, you would never even notice a change in taxes. In fact, you would be able to be taxed less, and even more of that money could help the less fortunate.
If you take those expenditures away I want all of the savings sent back to me, who paid for them. ALL OF THEM. I do not give a rat's ass what you would do with my money. I want it back. ALL OF IT.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Commie??? You are a funny man.. I lean more on the side of Noam on this one. I am not a big fan of government at all. But sense humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing. You speak on a only the strong survive plane. Hmmm?? That sounds a bit primative.. There has supposedly been a progression of the human species, but I am not seeing it.. Sounds like you want rights, but no responsiblites.. Only for yourself huh?? And who is Barry??
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
#9849243 - 02/23/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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flip3084 said: Commie??? You are a funny man.. I lean more on the side of Noam on this one. I am not a big fan of government at all. But sense humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing. You speak on a only the strong survive plane. Hmmm?? That sounds a bit primative.. There has supposedly been a progression of the human species, but I am not seeing it.. Sounds like you want rights, but no responsiblites.. Only for yourself huh?? And who is Barry??
WOW. Just wow. I already pay far too much to support far too many bums. They are stealing from me to take for themselves. You want them to steal more. No thank you.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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No, I don't want them to steal anything. It is obvious for a tax system to work, there needs to be regulation and accountability.. We obviously should have more say in what our tax dollars are spent on.. If this were the case, we probably wouldn't be in such a hole now. The problem isn't being taxed, but the overflow of corruption amongst those issuing and collecting.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: If you take those expenditures away I want all of the savings sent back to me, who paid for them. ALL OF THEM. I do not give a rat's ass what you would do with my money. I want it back. ALL OF IT.
So it's ok for the government to spend huge sums of money to protect the interests of the rich, but not ok for them to spend money helping the poor?
I won't even bother to argue why I think socialized health care is a good thing since we'll never be in agreement anyways. But wars aren't helping humanity. Drug bans aren't helping humanity. So you're right, give me my money back. I'm sick of paying for your fucking wars.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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> But sense (sic) humans display little or no humanity these days, I agree with encouraging people to do the right thing.
Yes, socialism tends to lead to fascism; who, exactly, decides what is the "right thing" to "encourage" people towards... and, how forceful should "encouragement" be?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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Yes, socialism tends to lead to fascism; who, exactly, decides what is the "right thing" to "encourage" people towards... and, how forceful should "encouragement" be?
Maybe slightly less forceful than we encourage democracy in third world nations...
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So it's ok for the government to spend huge sums of money to protect the interests of the rich, but not ok for them to spend money helping the poor?
Where do you think the money came from? As to that, Medicaid and Medicare already help the poor and elderly, so why do you want to fuck up everything else?Quote:
I won't even bother to argue why I think socialized health care is a good thing since we'll never be in agreement anyways. But wars aren't helping humanity. Drug bans aren't helping humanity. So you're right, give me my money back. I'm sick of paying for your fucking wars.
You don't pay for anything. I do. Wars don't help humanity? Bullshit. Or would prefer to be speaking German today? Or living under sharia law? Because without it that's what we'd be doing. I won't even bother asking if you would prefer communism. I know you think you do.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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You seem to have such a mundane view of communism, and socialism.. I was wondering if you could give me an example of an actualy socialist, or communist society, that has contributed to the state of this view??
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
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True communism, and socialism, have no dictators.."agrarian communism"??? Really it doesn't sound like it..
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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You can talk about an ideal communist society, but all we can judge communism by are its real-life incarnations.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
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Same for a free market capitolist society. The workings of which have depleted our nations money, and allowed for corrupt monoplies(halliburton) to move overseas, no longer pay US Taxes, and still be in charge of building for the US Military...
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And amazingly enough, it's still provided for the highest quality of life in the history of mankind.
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At what cost???
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: You don't pay for anything. I do. Wars don't help humanity? Bullshit. Or would prefer to be speaking German today? Or living under sharia law? Because without it that's what we'd be doing. I won't even bother asking if you would prefer communism. I know you think you do.
I don't pay for anything? Who do you think you are? This may come as a shock to you, but not every productive member of society shares your world view. There are plenty of prosperous people paying for wars that would prefer not to. Please step in to reality because you're not singlehandedly paying for the welfare of others or America's completely absurd foreign operations.
As for Germany, I'm pretty sure they initiated the first act of aggression. Nevermind the fact that the first war was what created a state of hyper-inflation and a society so desperate that it would let a person like Hitler rise to power.
But I suppose I could take your stance and care nothing for the welfare of other people. My ancestry would probably allow me a pretty comfortable life in an Aryan world. Enjoy your labor camp.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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> I was wondering if you could give me an example of an actualy socialist, or communist society, that has contributed to the state of this view?
Cuba, North Korea
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There are no dictators in true communist or socilist society, therefore the closest thing we have to offer is Sweden.
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zappaisgod said: You don't pay for anything. I do. Wars don't help humanity? Bullshit. Or would prefer to be speaking German today? Or living under sharia law? Because without it that's what we'd be doing. I won't even bother asking if you would prefer communism. I know you think you do.
I don't pay for anything? Who do you think you are? This may come as a shock to you, but not every productive member of society shares your world view. There are plenty of prosperous people paying for wars that would prefer not to. Please step in to reality because you're not singlehandedly paying for the welfare of others or America's completely absurd foreign operations.
It is true that there are a handful of people other than myself paying all the taxes. It is also true that quite a few of them do not agree with me about the necessity to defend against lunatics and losers. But one thing I am quite sure of is that you are not one of those people paying for it.Quote:
As for Germany, I'm pretty sure they initiated the first act of aggression. Nevermind the fact that the first war was what created a state of hyper-inflation and a society so desperate that it would let a person like Hitler rise to power.
And Iraq and Afghanistan initiated their wars as well.Quote:
But I suppose I could take your stance and care nothing for the welfare of other people. My ancestry would probably allow me a pretty comfortable life in an Aryan world. Enjoy your labor camp.
I'm probably as German as you. And, surprisingly, I actually do care for people. Here's a concept that you might want to consider. By giving people everything they need you create a dependent class incapable of taking care of itself. This has lately been gaining quite a bit of traction in re Africa, where no matter how much money is shoveled into the shithole things never improve. Welfare kills.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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Only unicorns and fairies. Sweden you say:
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But a group of young people squatted the office space on November 24th, and police intervened early this week to remove the occupants and empty the offices.
Police guarded the location until Wednesday, and once they left youths tried to occupy the building again.
Riots broke out on Wednesday night, when youths set fires in the area and threw stones and bottles at police. Seventeen youths were detained during those clashes.
"The origin of the riots is the occupation of the building. But that's not really the reason now, now other troublemakers have just joined in, taking advantage of the situation," Westford said.
Seems the commies and the jihadis are a bit too anti-capitalist even for Sweden.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Basically everything zappaisgod has contributed to this thread has been either retarded by nationalism, a red bait with no logical support, or just plain wrong.
Afghanistan and Iraq did not commence hostilities, we did.
Monetary aid to Africa is literally nothing when compared to the United States military budget, and most of it ends up in the hands of either warlords or corrupt politicians.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: And amazingly enough, it's still provided for the highest quality of life in the history of mankind.
Very true. Of course, that was back in the 1960's when companies were located here instead of setting up offshore PO boxes as tax havens, reinvested their profits here, built their products here, and union membership was at it's highest per capita levels ever, thus people had health insurance and job security.
These days, nearly every single western European country has a higher standard of living than the US, while we mire in debt to communist countries like China, and have their worthless crap shoved down our throats instead of quality products that last for generations. We lag far behind western Europe in education, health care, culture and arts, and wages.
Of course, we're beating them hands-down in home foreclosure rates.  RR
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: RogerRabbit]
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And guess what western European countries are? Capitalist.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: And guess what western European countries are? Capitalist.
No, they're dangerous, godless communies just like Obama. 
Europeans have figured out that that capitalism tempered with a little socialism can create quite a good society.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Most of western Europe is center-left (for reference America is center-right) with a few socialist far left elements thrown in (and of course Socialist Sweden who does quite well).
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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>Europeans have figured out that that capitalism tempered with a little socialism can create quite a good society.
Indeed. America seems to have a major problem with recognising this; I think it stems from the fact that many don't realise that politics is a spectrum. It's not about "the American way of life" VS "godless Soviets" - it's about doing what's right for the people, regardless of where the ideas originated.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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Indeed. America seems to have a major problem with recognising this; I think it stems from the fact that many don't realise that politics is a spectrum. It's not about "the American way of life" VS "godless Soviets" - it's about doing what's right for the people, regardless of where the ideas originated.
Spoken by somebody that obviously does not understand America. The foundation of America is The American Dream, which basically means that anybody, regardless of race, origin, class, culture, caste, education, or anything else can become successful, and even insanely wealthy, if they are willing to put in effort to work.
America is one of the few places in the world where a person can pursue their goals in life through hard work and free choice without having been born into nobility, wealth, the proper caste, the ruling elite, or the wealthy. In America, a no name college dropout can go on to be one of the wealthiest people in the world.
The idea of socialism goes completely against the American dream. In American, if you want something, the opportunity exists for you to have it, but you have to work for it. People are willing to help you get started, but nobody is going to hand you whatever you want for free just because you feel that you deserve it. It's not about "the American way of life" VS "godless Soviets" - it is about opportunity and earning your keep rather than expecting others to take care of you.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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My point was that ideology can blind people so that they can't see that their way isn't necessarily always the best way. I think your hand-on-the-heart spiel about the American Dream just serves to prove that.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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> I think your hand-on-the-heart spiel about the American Dream ...
... shows that you don't get it if you think that was a "hand on the heart spiel". What I wrote wasn't some patriotic drivel, but a description of how things work in the US and why most people in the US are anti-socialist. If you want something, you work for it, because anybody and everybody has equal opportunity. Some might start off better than others, but anybody can succeed. Granted, the US has been slow in some areas of equality (first black President, still waiting for a female President, etc), but overall opportunity to succeed is open to everybody that is willing to work for their dream.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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America is one of the few places in the world where a person can pursue their goals in life through hard work and free choice without having been born into nobility, wealth, the proper caste, the ruling elite, or the wealthy. In America, a no name college dropout can go on to be one of the wealthiest people in the world.
Spoken by someone that obviously doesn't understand the rest of the industrialised world. Your rant was ridiculously unfounded and based on obsolete rhetoric.
If you look at research on the subject you'll notice that many have found that not only does the US not have the world's highest possibility for economic mobility but it is rather low on the list for industrialised countries. This study had this to say: Quote:
By international standards, the United States has an unusually low level of intergenerational mobility: our parents’ income is highly predictive of our incomes as adults. Intergenerational mobility in the United States is lower than in France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Among high-income countries for which comparable estimates are available, only the United Kingdom had a lower rate of mobility than the United States.
Center for American Progress (page 4)
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There is little available evidence that the United States has more relative mobility than other advanced nations. If anything, the data seem to suggest the opposite. Using the relationship between parents’ and children’s incomes as an indicator of relative mobility, data show that a number of countries, 5 including Denmark, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany, and France have more relative mobility than does the United States
American Dream Report (page 7)
This graph from the report really underlines this conclusion:

If you look at the numbers, the American Dream actually looks like a steaming hunk of shit these days. I suppose now you'll want to tell me how the US has the best health care and education in the world.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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>What I wrote wasn't some patriotic drivel, but a description of how things work in the US
Yes but it's also how things work in many other countries too. The US isn't special in that regard.
>and why most people in the US are anti-socialist.
I think most people in the US are anti-socialist because of fears lingering from cold war propaganda, rather than being based on any real understanding of how social democracy works.
>Granted, the US has been slow in some areas of equality (first black President, still waiting for a female President, etc)
And which areas of equality is it ahead in?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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> And which areas of equality is it ahead in?
Mainly that you don't need to be born into success in order to succeed.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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That is not exclusive to the US at all. See above.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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People in the US are anti-socialist because the country's political history. The Cold War didn't lead to this, it was caused by it.
As these values are backed by the oldest Constitution in the world, it is expected that they would be quite ingrained.
You have to realize that much of your beliefs about modern liberalism are biased just as they are biased by those living in the US.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
#9854736 - 02/24/09 08:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Indeed. America seems to have a major problem with recognising this; I think it stems from the fact that many don't realise that politics is a spectrum. It's not about "the American way of life" VS "godless Soviets" - it's about doing what's right for the people, regardless of where the ideas originated.
Very well put...Compassion, for compassions sake, not for tax right offs
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
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I don't red bait. That would imply that I just write these things to get a rise out of reds. I don't. Reds are too stupid to learn. I do not give a fuck what they think. I do this for the children who are susceptible to the idea of red unicorns and fairies. Children are such trusting souls. I genuinely believe communism and socialism are a pox on humanity and would be best left in the dung heap of failed ideas. Like alchemy.Quote:
Afghanistan and Iraq did not commence hostilities, we did.
Lie. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Afghanistan's proxies attacked NYC and DC on p/11/01. Facts. Imagine how much better things would be if we had had any stones when Iran invaded our territory in 1980. Perhaps the next generation of thugs would not have been so encouraged.Quote:
Monetary aid to Africa is literally nothing when compared to the United States military budget, and most of it ends up in the hands of either warlords or corrupt politicians.
No shit. And yet, they keep putting their hands out and nothing changes. So your answer is to keep doing the same or more of the same? Or would you forcibly remove the kleptocrats? Which would require an increased military budget. Oh woe is you. Looks like you are lose/lose.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you know why Iraq invaded Kuwait. Do you know anything of our dealings with sadam at that point, and why things changed? Do you know what the sunni crescent is? Your just repeating what our war mongers have fed to you, and the rest of this nation. Patrotism should never be blind, for that is more treason than anything. Instead, we should challenge our nations own ideals, and force it to better itself...
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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flip3084 said: Do you know why Iraq invaded Kuwait.
For their oil and power in the region. The same reasons were behind everything Saddam did, being the classic megalomaniac that he was. Or perhaps you have another theory. Let me guess, you do have another theory. I bet it is entirely original to you and obtained through your extensive research in the area and personal contacts in the Bilderburg Group and the Trilateral Commission. Boy, I wish I had your sources so that my opinions wouldn't have to be based on common knowledge and well known facts. Then I could feel special. Like you.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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The sunni crescent has nothing to do with conspriracy therorists. You are cocky. But you are not changing your opinon, so what is the point.. believe what you will.
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You aren't going to tell me anything I haven't heard already but why don't you enlighten the children here. Consider it your opportunity to teach.
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The sunni crescent, had to do with american forces establishing a seperate repersentation of the people(sunnis and shiites) to which represented a large problem, seeing as how the two groups were vastly different in size. This caused alot of blood shed(a hell of a lot more than ususal) and even more resentment towards america. Why no one I have this conversation with has ever heard of these events, I have no idea.. I guess "You control the info, you control the people". Plus, it sounds much better to tell the public, that the reason they want to hurt us, is because of our way of life and our freedoms.. It definitley summons up more support for senseless troop surges, and billons spent on stupidity. Sugar coated shit, is still just shit..
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That is one disjointed mess. Do you think you could find us a link to clarify just what the fuck you are trying to say?
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http://www.yahyabirt.com/?p=50
Here is a slight reference to such
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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I LOLed. A couple of snippets:
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Now there are similar portents of a sanguinary reprise in which the priority will once again be the containment of Iran through a vicious proxy war in Iraq
Seems a bit outdated, no? "written on Thursday, 11 January, 2007". Here's another insane beauty:
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With the execution of Saddam Hussain at the hands of Moqtada al-Sadr’s partisans on the day of Eid al-Adha, he has unimaginably been reinvented as a Sunni martyr
Ummmmm no and no.
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In his speech yesterday, Bush announced an increase in troop numbers, with most of the new troops being committed to take on the Shia militias, although some attention has been given to Sunni militias in Anbar Province. There is no political strategy here, let alone counter-insurgency tactics.
He pretty clearly got that wrong, too. Interesting choice for your first cite. Utterly nonsensical, in fact.
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Your play on words does nothing to make you seem like an authority on this subject. Only a subjective, overly opinonated majority.. your opinons seem to run with the flock. That just seems so lazy.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
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What "play on words"? That was an astonishingly fact shy cite. And he was clearly wrong about a lot of it. So tell us chilluns just what the fuck point you are trying to make in regard to the Sunni crescent. Pleeuhze, enlighten us. We are all eager sponges.
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flip3084 said: There are no dictators in true communist or socilist society, therefore the closest thing we have to offer is Sweden.
More Swedish happitude:
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The Davis Cup matches between Sweden and Israel will be played without spectators in Malmo next month after an attempt to move the venue to Stockholm fell through.
Swedish organizers Tuesday cited security concerns for the closed-door policy because anti-Israeli demonstrations are expected during the best-of-five series March 6-8.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oh please. That's all you can produce to show that Sweden is an inferior country just because it has adopted elements of socialism? Anti-Israel demonstrations?
Let's conveniently gloss over the fact that they, along with several other Western European countries are doing much better than the US on many fronts. I also like how none of the the free market zealots here responded to my post that debunked the American Dream myth.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9856220 - 02/24/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zapp, you gone trolling again?
As long as we're discussing completely irrelevant historical facts in a half-assed attempt to discredit countries for lame things they've done in their past here ya go: http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/japan_internment_camps.htm
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
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Yeah. It's awful what socialists will due under stress, isn't it?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9856282 - 02/24/09 01:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Get this thread back on track - Obama's corrupt cabinet picks - or see it locked. Enough about Sweden already.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
#9856996 - 02/24/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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flip3084 said: Do you know why Iraq invaded Kuwait. Do you know anything of our dealings with sadam at that point, and why things changed? Do you know what the sunni crescent is? Your just repeating what our war mongers have fed to you, and the rest of this nation. Patrotism should never be blind, for that is more treason than anything. Instead, we should challenge our nations own ideals, and force it to better itself...
THis is arrogant and silly.
For no reason you identify you jjust presume zappa is ignorant and quizz him on shit rather than making any point whatsoever. He responsded to assertions that incorrectly stated iraq didn't begin agressions.
Seems like you read a few paragraphs on the history of our involvement in the region and now you're an expert. Why would you presume people wouldn't know the history of this area and our involvement in it? It just seems brash arrogance.
You're suggesting "you're ignorant if you don't think like me" without even dressing it up. Given you've refrenced nothing not insanely covered and popularized by even the popular press (newsweek, time, et cet) your inferences to intellectual superiority seems poorly justified.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9857061 - 02/24/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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flip3084 said: There are no dictators in true communist or socilist society, therefore the closest thing we have to offer is Sweden.
More Swedish happitude:
It's also a no true scotsman fallacy so obvious as to be embarresed by.
The commies are forever saying "well that wasn't a socialist country..." or similar things when the examples all depart from their predictions of social harmony and respect for rights.
If you define socilist or communist country to exclude those you don't like you change teh meaning of teh word to soemthing that has nothing to do wtih the economic model you advance and allow equivocating like in the above example.
This is so plain as to be embarasing to read. The commie defenders also like to use words like "communist country" different from the public accepted use and yet not forewarn anyone to the bait and switch untill they are cornered and forced to equivocate. (i.e. USSR wasn't communist, cuz....) et cet Just equivocations and fallacies all around.
EDIT: Sorry phred didn't see the comment. Delete if you want I guess.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: johnm214]
#9858015 - 02/24/09 06:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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John there is no conscious effort to define socialism in a way that excludes undesirable countries. The definition of the word is fixed, taking that into consideration, when you look back into history, you realize that most of the countries that have proclaimed themselves as socialist weren't socialist at all.
Often you will find that the cause of socialism is used as a front for power grubbing dictators, such is the case with Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
#9858044 - 02/24/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right. They weren't socialists because..... you say they weren't. It must feel empowering to own the language.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9858181 - 02/24/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They weren't socialists because they didn't satisfy the definition of socialism. Is it hard for you to acknowledge that a men like Stalin or Hitler could have been lairs? lol.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
#9858202 - 02/24/09 06:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well then, why don't you offer us your definition of socialist. Just so we can all play the game by your rules and you'll have nothing to whine about. Because a normal English speaker's definition of "socialism" seems to disagree with yours.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9858307 - 02/24/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why are you insinuating that I have made up my own definition of Socialism when I am the one going by the accepted definition...and not you?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9858290#Post9858290
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
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Capitalism vs Socialism vs Communism
[1] The differences between capitalism vs socialism vs communism may be summarized as follows:
Capitalism is an informal economic system in which property is largely privately owned, and in which profit provides incentive for capital investment and the employment of labor.
Socialism is a formal economic system in which society exerts considerable control over the nation's wealth and property in the pursuit of social justice.
Communism is a formal economic system in which property, particularly capital property (e.g. factories, machines, tools, etc.), is commonly owned and scarce resources are allocated through planning as opposed to price signals in a free market.
[2] The three economic systems have the following characteristics:
Capitalism Socialism Communism
http://www.conservative-resources.com/capitalism-vs-socialism-vs-communism.html
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9858651 - 02/24/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You accuse me of manufacturing my own definition of socialism, I provide several definitions from non-biased sources, and then you provide a counter-definition from a conservative website.
I'm sorry but that is just terrible.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
#9858852 - 02/24/09 08:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Again, gentlemen.... bring this discussion back on topic - the corruption of Obama's cabinet picks. There are hundreds of threads dealing with Socialism which can be resurrected if that's what turns your crank. THIS thread is not about socialism.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9860497 - 02/25/09 01:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.conservative-resources.com/capitalism-vs-socialism-vs-communism.html
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#9860778 - 02/25/09 03:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> 
Knowing that you posted off topic after being warned by the moderator, and then asking for a lock, should probably be a
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
#9860852 - 02/25/09 03:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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My lockdance emoticon was to signify the likelihood that this thread would be locked, not to "ask for a lock." If you ban me why don't you ban the other several people who have been posting after Phred's warning?
By the way you still haven't managed to show how America is somehow exclusive in its social mobility after your argument fell apart earlier. Funny how we were way off topic then but you didn't seem to care that much.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#9860962 - 02/25/09 05:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> If you ban me
If I were going to ban you, I wouldn't have warned...
Can we please get back on topic.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
#9860995 - 02/25/09 05:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I were going to ban you, I wouldn't have warned...
Then why mention it up in the first place? You're just blustering at this point.
Anyway, back on topic, Obama's next attempt at Commerce Secretary. Third time's a charm right? Hopefully this fellow doesn't have any skeletons in his closet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/23/AR2009022302618.html
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#9861026 - 02/25/09 06:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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After several high-profile misfires emerged in the Cabinet selection process, Locke is regarded as a safe choice by senior officials in the Obama administration given his long history in public life, his strait-laced reputation and his bipartisan governing credentials. His steady -- and generally popular -- tenure as governor of Washington was the biggest factor in his selection, according to a source familiar with the administration's thinking.
the most interesting thing about him is his surname, I think.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
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After all of those miscues in that position a boring guy would suit this administration best.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: johnm214]
#9861233 - 02/25/09 07:39 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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flip3084 said: Do you know why Iraq invaded Kuwait. Do you know anything of our dealings with Saddam at that point, and why things changed? Do you know what the Sunni crescent is? Your just repeating what our war mongers have fed to you, and the rest of this nation. Patriotism should never be blind, for that is more treason than anything. Instead, we should challenge our nations own ideals, and force it to better itself...
This is arrogant and silly.
For no reason you identify you just presume Zappa is ignorant and quiz him on shit rather than making any point whatsoever. He responded to assertions that incorrectly stated Iraq didn't begin aggressions.
Seems like you read a few paragraphs on the history of our involvement in the region and now you're an expert. Why would you presume people wouldn't know the history of this area and our involvement in it? It just seems brash arrogance.
You're suggesting "you're ignorant if you don't think like me" without even dressing it up. Given you've referenced nothing not insanely covered and popularized by even the popular press (Newsweek, time, et cert) your inferences to intellectual superiority seems poorly justified.
I'm sorry, who are you? I happen to believe in a socialist democracy, and am not backing down on that issue. I also happen to be quite politically active, hence my cockiness, or maybe that is due in part to me being 24yrs old. Either or, I do have confidence about my opinions, and I will challenge continuously what I do not agree with. That is my nature.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#9861477 - 02/25/09 09:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hopefully this fellow doesn't have any skeletons in his closet.
Yet another dashed hope.
There are far too many embedded links in this analysis for me to attempt to re-create them here. It's best to click, go there, and browse around. Bottom line - Team Obama screws the pooch yet again.

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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Phred]
#9861517 - 02/25/09 09:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yet another dashed hope.
Oh boy. Poor Obama can't catch a break.
On the other hand, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a politician from either party that doesn't have the stench of scandals and pandering to special interests on them. It seems to come with the territory these days.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#9861527 - 02/25/09 09:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yet another dashed hope.
Oh boy. Poor Obama can't catch a break.
On the other hand, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a politician from either party that doesn't have the stench of scandals and pandering to special interests on them. It seems to come with the territory these days.
Don't you love the double standard..??
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
#9863032 - 02/25/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll discuss it in another thread if you want to start one. Phred has said we should have gotten back on topic. I probably should have deleted that post anyways after I read phred's warning.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: johnm214]
#9901299 - 03/03/09 01:01 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another great pick by Obama.
http://us.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/obama.kirk.taxes/index.html:
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Former Dallas, Texas, Mayor Ron Kirk, who is President Obama's nominee to be the U.S. trade representative, owes nearly $10,000 in taxes. He's the fourth Obama pick that has come under fire for tax issues.
What I find really annoying...
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Kirk has agreed to pay the $9,975 he owes from amended returns, according to the report.
If any of us don't pay our taxes, even if they are "a few minor issues", we get hit hard with penalties such as fines and interest. Why are all of these politicians getting off with simply paying what they owed?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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This is pretty silly by now. WTF is going on here?
Maybe if Obama and this country wasn't so gung ho on spending shitloads of money and taxing people to all hell it wouldn't be as ironic, but wtf? I respect wesley snipes more than these guys...
So can the president not look at income tax returns or something? How does this shit keep happening? Even if the executive somehow is barred from looking at his own agencies data I don't see how he doesn't ask these guys about their situation with the government....
Agree with Seuss though, if it appears this guy is getting anything more than average treatment something is rotten. I wish these guys would man up and say they tried to get out of shit rather than their inevitable reflexive appologies. At least if they threw in some greed I could believe it
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: johnm214]
#9901707 - 03/03/09 03:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> WTF is going on here?
The cynical side of me believes that Obama thought that his momentum would prevent these little tax problems from being challenged. They really cynical side of me believes that Obama didn't realize that Chicago style political corruption doesn't work (as well) at the federal level. With what has been characterized as the most invasive vetting process of any president ever, with 60 pages of questions, I cannot imagine that Obama and his vetting team have been unaware of the problems before nominating their picks. If he really has been blindsided, then what kind of buffoon (Hi Al!) have we elected and how can we have any faith in his decision making abilities?
(For the Holy Racist Al Sharpton, 1st definition from Webster: Buffoon: a ludicrous figure)
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: Another great pick by Obama.
http://us.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/obama.kirk.taxes/index.html:
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Former Dallas, Texas, Mayor Ron Kirk, who is President Obama's nominee to be the U.S. trade representative, owes nearly $10,000 in taxes. He's the fourth Obama pick that has come under fire for tax issues.
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Kirk has agreed to pay the $9,975 he owes from amended returns, according to the report.
If any of us don't pay our taxes, even if they are "a few minor issues", we get hit hard with penalties such as fines and interest. Why are all of these politicians getting off with simply paying what they owed?
Great question. Back to the 200th person Obama has picked that owes taxes. You would think that after the first choice coming up owing taxes, that either himself or someone in his camp would be more thorough in their background checking. Good grief! I'm sure most of you know that i'm a Democrat, but Obama's really starting to freak me out with his poor decisions. Very, very poor decisions. They're almost unbelievable.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
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This isn't just some minor dispute although the amounts are minor. The guy failed to disclose income from speeches, wrote off sport event tickets and inflatable the value of donations. Cheesy lowbrow crap.
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The committee said the taxes arise from Kirk's handling of speaking fees he donated to a scholarship fund that he set up at his alma mater, and for his deduction of the full cost of season tickets to the Dallas Mavericks professional basketball team. Kirk also agreed to make changes in his accounting of charitable deductions, including reducing the claimed value of a donated television from $3,000 to $1,500.
This stuff is bottom of the pile evasion. Nothing fancy or interpretable about it. Common tax cheat.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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"Cheesy lowbrow crap."
That it is.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
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Obama is in the pocket of crooks, thieves and fraudsters just like the rest of them.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Fjorgynn]
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Sad but true. I, at one time thought there was a real difference between the reps and dems. I was so fucking wrong. I think they are all what you just said.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Icelander]
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I can't figure out if your inability to discern a difference is due to your inability to see the details or the sensory loss due to the overwhelming explosion of light the current particle/antiparticle annihilation is emitting. What otherwordly perspective would one have to have to view the two parties as the same? Somewhere from the Virgo Cluster, I'm sure.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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A crook is a crook is a crook. 
I certainly wish I wasn't from your planet. Not that I have anything against the planet itself.
Check out the movie "The Man Who Fell To Earth" It's a great old flick with David Bowie. You're old enough to remember him.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Icelander]
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I loved that movie. I saw it in the theater when it came out. I never forgot those contact lenses.
A crook is a crook, huh? I beg to differ. I can make a distinction between one who takes everything and one who takes half. A big distinction.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
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Nobody ever took all of what I had. I seemed to get screwed equally no matter which party was in power. I'm 56 and so have had awhile to watch. No, I think they're all dysfunctional and crooked. They may go about it in different ways. It's not all about money to me either. I think the fundamentalist influenced republicans have worked hard to take away a few of my "freedoms". Nope they're all trash to me.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Icelander]
#9904225 - 03/03/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well who'da thunk it, I'm the wide-eyed optimist between us.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9904288 - 03/03/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually I think you're insane. But in an normal way.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Icelander]
#9904304 - 03/03/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- Muppet Said: so yeah: - 'sex' five times - once with a man - once with a cadaver - and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes) Best story ever! www.panicstream.com
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: lonestar2004]
#10082152 - 03/31/09 05:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#10082799 - 03/31/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I can't figure out if your inability to discern a difference is due to your inability to see the details or the sensory loss due to the overwhelming explosion of light the current particle/antiparticle annihilation is emitting. What otherwordly perspective would one have to have to view the two parties as the same? Somewhere from the Virgo Cluster, I'm sure.
Either that, or you're just blinded by partisanship.
One or the other.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#10082815 - 03/31/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yet another dashed hope.
Oh boy. Poor Obama can't catch a break.
On the other hand, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a politician from either party that doesn't have the stench of scandals and pandering to special interests on them. It seems to come with the territory these days.
GOP politicians don't have TIME for tax evasion. They're too busy cramming themselves into airport bathroom stalls with tap dancing shoes on, and handing their dying wives divorce papers in the hospice.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#10082832 - 03/31/09 07:17 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Capitalism vs Socialism vs Communism
[1] The differences between capitalism vs socialism vs communism may be summarized as follows:
Capitalism is an informal economic system in which property is largely privately owned, and in which profit provides incentive for capital investment and the employment of labor.
Socialism is a formal economic system in which society exerts considerable control over the nation's wealth and property in the pursuit of social justice.
Communism is a formal economic system in which property, particularly capital property (e.g. factories, machines, tools, etc.), is commonly owned and scarce resources are allocated through planning as opposed to price signals in a free market.
[2] The three economic systems have the following characteristics:
Capitalism Socialism Communism
http://www.conservative-resources.com/capitalism-vs-socialism-vs-communism.html
Blarg. "Conservative resources", nice source.
It's actually very simple. "Socialism" is going to Canada for a while. "Communism" is going to the Department of Motor Vehicles for the rest of your life.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: TGRR]
#10083044 - 03/31/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Does it ever end?
Obama's health nominee Sebelius reveals tax errors:
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Kathleen Sebelius, named as U.S. health secretary by President Barack Obama, became his latest nominee to reveal income tax issues, saying on Tuesday she paid nearly $8,000 to settle errors over three years.
Sebelius, the governor of Kansas, must pass a confirmation process in Congress before she can lead Obama's overhaul of the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare sector to cut costs and provide coverage to an estimated 46 million uninsured Americans.
"Unintentional errors" involving charitable contributions, mortgage interest and business expenses were revealed in a review of her and her husband's tax returns by a certified accountant, prompting them to file amended returns, Sebelius wrote to top members of the Senate Finance Committee.
"As a result of these amendments to our 2005, 2006 and 2007 returns, we paid a total of $7,040 in additional tax and $878 in interest," she said in the letter to Max Baucus, the Democratic head of the committee, and Charles Grassley, its ranking Republican.
Before Sebelius, Obama's first choice as health secretary -- former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle -- withdrew after he acknowledged he delayed payment of some $140,000 in taxes and fines.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's nomination was criticized for late payment of $34,000 in taxes but he was eventually confirmed.
Baucus said he supported the nomination of Sebelius, who is due to testify to his committee on Thursday.
"Congress is going to need a strong partner at the Department of Health and Human Services to achieve comprehensive health reform this year, and we have that partner in Governor Sebelius," Baucus said in a statement.
A spokeswoman for Grassley said the senator "generally reserves judgment on nominees until the vetting process, including the nomination hearing, is completed."
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
#10083459 - 03/31/09 08:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Does it ever end?
On the plus side, most of the tax cheats are sent home.
With the exception of Aunty Geitner, of course.
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