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Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson
    #2805406 - 06/18/04 02:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

June 18, 2004
Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson
by Patrick Basham and Christopher Preble

Patrick Basham is senior fellow in the Center for Representative Government and Christopher Preble is director of foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.

The G8 Summit demonstrated that President Bush still doesn't appreciate how difficult it will be to democratize the Middle East. Beneath the appearance of pragmatism and a stated willingness to accept the wishes of the people lies the same neoconservative commitment to proactively spread liberal democracy throughout this unsuitable region.

In his Nov. 6, 2003 speech before the National Endowment for Democracy, President Bush pledged that the United States would embark on a decades-long commitment to bring democracy to the Middle East. But democracy is not a gift President Bush or any other G8 leader can bestow on people in distant lands.

Although the goal is laudable, the Bush administration will be disappointed with its effort to establish a stable liberal democracy in any Middle Eastern nation. That's the verdict rendered by history, the contemporary reality of the region, and our own government experts.

One might have assumed, or at least hoped, that the intractable problems that have bedeviled the construction of a democratic political structure in Iraq would have forced the Bush administration to seriously reassess its self-described "forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East." However, Bush steadfastly holds to his original position, hence his "Middle East Initiative" unveiled at the G8 Summit.

This initiative makes five proposals: a Greater Middle East forum to enable discussions between government officials and ordinary citizens; a democracy assistance group to support existing efforts by non-governmental organizations to foster democratic practices; a foundation for democracy to serve as a regional version of the National Endowment for Democracy, which provides financial assistance to democracy activists; a literacy project; and a small business finance project.

None of these proposals are harmful. Some may do a little bit of good. But even viewed as a whole, they miss the big picture regarding the nature of democratization. Today, the Middle East lacks the cultural conditions, such as a democratic history, political trust, and social tolerance, to sustain a democracy.

President Bush's position stands in opposition to a classified Feb. 26, 2003, State Department report that expressed doubt that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of democracy in the Middle East. In trying to build a democratic Middle East, the president and his neoconservative advisers ignore the most basic principle of human existence: People don't like being bossed around. They particularly don't like being bossed around by foreigners.

President Bush draws deliberate comparison to President Reagan's June 1982 speech, in which Reagan predicted the demise of Soviet communism because it failed to respect individual rights and to reward individual creativity. Bush correctly predicts that "over time, free nations grow stronger and dictatorships grow weaker."

However, the belief that the United States can orchestrate this process is based on the same fatal conceit that brought down the Soviet empire: namely, that governments, and especially foreign governments, can realistically dictate noble ends. Given his mistrust of government, Ronald Reagan understood this as well as anyone.

Instead, as President Bush has said, the success of freedom rests upon the willingness of free peoples to sacrifice. But the people of the Middle East must make these sacrifices. Revealingly, the United States spent hundreds of millions of dollars on democracy programs in the Middle East during the 1990s with no noticeable effect. Heavy-handed attempts to force democracy upon the region will ultimately prove counter-productive toward those ends, as the events in Iraq show us every day.

The ingredients for successful democracy are found in domestic political kitchens. Democracy is a dish that Iraqis and others throughout the Middle East must prepare for themselves. Neither a fancy summit communiqu? nor a heralded initiative alters that reality.

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A key point that I have tried to make so many times, 'as President Bush has said, the success of freedom rests upon the willingness of free peoples to sacrifice. But the people of the Middle East must make these sacrifices .'

Freedom can't be 'imposed'. If freedom is truly desired then it must be fought for by those seeking freedom.


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: grib]
    #2805623 - 06/18/04 03:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

First we need a democracy in the United States...


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: Swami]
    #2805647 - 06/18/04 03:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

One can only hope that won't happen.


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: Swami]
    #2806111 - 06/18/04 04:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
First we need a democracy in the United States...



No, we most certainly do not. What we do need is politicians who can read, understand, and follow the constitution.


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2806139 - 06/18/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Swami said:
First we need a democracy in the United States...



No, we most certainly do not. What we do need is politicians who can read, understand, and follow the constitution.




HAHAHAHA! politicians who can WHAT????? be honest. you've got to be kidding son.
Us americans don't react well to politicians who are like that.
i.e. nader *gasp* we're certainly hate him don't we. The only politician who hasn't given up his values to greed and actually wants to give american what we want. No sir, we only value one thing in america and that is MONEY.
thank you very much.

p.s. in case you can't tell I'm being sarcastic


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: blu3]
    #2806174 - 06/18/04 05:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HAHAHAHA! politicians who can WHAT????? be honest. you've got to be kidding son.
Us americans don't react well to politicians who are like that.
i.e. nader *gasp* we're certainly hate him don't we. The only politician who hasn't given up his values to greed and actually wants to give american what we want. No sir, we only value one thing in america and that is MONEY.
thank you very much.

p.s. in case you can't tell I'm being sarcastic



Ha, Nader.
Nader's Glitter
For decades before Ralph Nader came on the scene, automobile fatality rates were declining, despite more cars on the streets and highways, traveling at faster speeds. The automobile fatality rate per miles driven was less than one-third as high when "Unsafe at Any Speed" was published as it was back in the 1920s.

But facts never carry as much weight as a dramatic vision of "corporate greed" sacrificing helpless consumers until they are rescued by "consumer advocates" and federal regulations. For the left, Nader was playing their song and they danced to it.

Although the term "consumer advocate" has acquired a certain halo in the media, there are no qualifications whatever required to be called a consumer advocate. Moreover, Nader was never a consumer advocate in any real sense. He was a Nader advocate then and he is a Nader advocate now, when he runs for office oblivious to his friends and supporters.

In one of his earliest writings, Nader said, "the consumer must be protected at times from his own indiscretion and vanity." In other words, he wanted the Ralph Naders of the world to be able to dictate to consumers and producers alike. It's all about him. So is running for president.


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: blu3]
    #2806183 - 06/18/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nader shits on the Constitution as much as any other scumbag politician out there.


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Re: Bush Hasn't Learned His Democratic Lesson [Re: blu3]
    #2806449 - 06/18/04 06:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

The only politician who hasn't given up his values to greed and actually wants to give american what we want.




Why are you sure of Nader's flawless actions? You obviously havent researched the corporations that Nader invests his own money into - these are the same corporations that he rails against including Occidental Petro (which has been raping Colombia and its native inhabitants for years for oil). In 2000, the Green Party disclosed that Nader invested in Halliburton via Fidelity Investments as well. Nader also invests in Cisco Systems, which is odd since he is against US trade with China (Cisco is big proponent of US-China trade).

So, yeah - fuck Nader. He is an egomaniac, hypocrite tool that gladly accepts checks from Republican party members in his "campaign" for presidency. He complains about corporate power, but yet he invests in some big ass ones - which, of course, has made him a millionaire.


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