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Offlinezouden
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: d33p]
    #9834767 - 02/20/09 05:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I still prefer someone who knows science over someone who knows politics. It's easier to learn politics.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: d33p]
    #9834780 - 02/20/09 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu



What's your problem with him? Is it his Nobel prize that's bothering you?




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Energy Secretary Steven Chu may be a Nobel laureate Ph.D. in physics, but his first forays into energy policy suggest he's a neophyte when it comes to the ways of Washington.

At a forum with reporters on Thursday, the head of the department that has traditionally taken the lead on global oil-market policy, was asked what message the Obama administration had for the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries at its meeting next month.

"I'm not the administration," the Cabinet secretary replied. "I will be speaking and learning more about this in order to figure out what the U.S. position should be and what the president's position is."

Chu, who is still without a deputy, said he feels "like I've been dumped into the deep end of the pool" on oil policy.

The day before, reporters asked him about OPEC output levels after a speech to a group of utility regulators. He responded that the issue was "not in my domain."

Later, in a conference call to reporters, he said his answer reflected "more of my naiveté than anything else."




http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/20/1803006.aspx

An energy sec who doesn't know anything about oil, sounds good to me.





Obama's Energy Secretary (Steven Chu) "OPEC OIL output levels are not in my domain??????


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
    #9834795 - 02/20/09 05:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> I still prefer someone who knows science over someone who knows politics. It's easier to learn politics.

As proven by Jimmy Carter.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9834847 - 02/20/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, very good point. He was a nuclear engineer yet somehow he ended up passing very restrictive nuclear energy policies? I guess he wasn't good enough at the politics :frown:


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9834854 - 02/20/09 05:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I think he's got that one quite backward.  Science has rules and shit.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9835314 - 02/20/09 07:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sick of the bullshit polarized opinions of Obama. Half the people think he's the freakin messiah, and the other half that see him fall short of that are already damning him as a president.

Do I agree with every decision he makes? Hell no. But as it's been pointed out, Bush set the bar pretty low and got us in to this mess. And I still firmly believe that Obama will be a much better president than McCain would've been. The country is on the verge of a depression. It's not gonna be all flowers and sunshine.

As for the corruption, I agree it's bullshit. Why not just appoint me the new Drug Czar? I think these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But what bothers me even more is that these people are complete fucking hypocrites.

The problem with Obama's choices is he attempts to appear more bi-partisan or moderate than he really is. Fuck the right, you're the president now. You don't have to appease these people and fill your cabinet with corruption. It's just politics as usual not "change". I'm a pretty open democratic socialist so I suppose that's easy for me to say, but it sure beats having a president that thinks he talks to God. And on that note, I think it's pretty funny to hear people call Obama a socialist. Quite frankly, I'm offended  :rofl2:


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9835337 - 02/20/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Amen.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9835393 - 02/20/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That post just won the internet. +5


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9835675 - 02/20/09 09:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> Fuck the right, you're the president now.

The President represents the people, not just the people that voted for him.  Your shallow statement represents the major problem with the US- partisan politics; politicians that worry more about what is good for their political party rather than worry about what is best for the people.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9835944 - 02/20/09 10:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That's exactly the point, he should do what's best for the country. If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.

Look at the context of it. When I say "fuck the right" I mean fuck his willingness to pander to the masses.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
    #9836193 - 02/20/09 10:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I still prefer someone who knows science over someone who knows politics. It's easier to learn politics.




Well, sure.  Because the secretary of agriculture might need to run a farm, one day.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9837101 - 02/21/09 03:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> Look at the context of it. When I say "fuck the right" I mean fuck his willingness to pander to the masses.

Ah, then I misread your intent and offer an apology.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9838151 - 02/21/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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That's exactly the point, he should do what's best for the country.



I doubt that he and I will agree about what is best for the country.  That doesn't mean that either of us is not trying to determine that.  Although I find it suspicious that what he thinks is best involves accruing more power for himself, government in general and Democrats in particular. 
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If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.




What?  All of the corrupt politicians he has selected are Democrats.  There is nothing bi-partisan about them.
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Look at the context of it. When I say "fuck the right" I mean fuck his willingness to pander to the masses.




This is more laughable nonsense.  His populist "pandering to the masses" is and always has been leftist.  Here is the exact paragraph you used with "Fuck the right"
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The problem with Obama's choices is he attempts to appear more bi-partisan or moderate than he really is. Fuck the right, you're the president now. You don't have to appease these people and fill your cabinet with corruption. It's just politics as usual not "change". I'm a pretty open democratic socialist so I suppose that's easy for me to say, but it sure beats having a president that thinks he talks to God. And on that note, I think it's pretty funny to hear people call Obama a socialist. Quite frankly, I'm offended



Your usage of "Fuck the right" had not one thing to do with "pandering to the masses" and everything to do with ignoring the huge numbers of voters who did not actually vote for this empty suit phony.  He attempts to appear bi-partisan but is in fact anything but.  He has done nothing but cram his leftist, socialist agenda down the minority party's neck.  To such an extent that he had this to say about bi-partisanship.
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President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.




And you are just as bad.  You seem to think he has been elected Emperor and doesn't have to pay any attention at all to the Party that was voted for by almost half of the people.  Which can change, oh yes it can change quite rapidly.  And then you make the nonsensical assertion that he is choosing corrupt politicians from the other party in order to appear bi-partisan.  No, child, the corrupt politicians he is choosing are from his party.

Your level of offense is of no concern to me.  Only a devout hard core Marxist would deny his socialist bent.  In sum, your facts are wrong, your conclusions are ridiculous and your reasoning is tortured and disjointed.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9839482 - 02/21/09 03:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hey listen, don't take take everything I say completely literally. Maybe some of my points were ill-received, but you also seem to be implying I said things that I didn't.
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If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.




What?  All of the corrupt politicians he has selected are Democrats.  There is nothing bi-partisan about them.



Where did I say they were republicans? My statement was hypothetical. I fully expect his cabinet to be filled with democrats. But I also expect them not to be corrupt. As I said, it should be the best man for the job regardless of political alignment.

You said it yourself, Obama does attempt to appear bi-partisan. And bad decisions in an attempt to appear bi-partisan are just as bad as bad decisions to appeal to your own party. That's pandering to someone.

You're right though, these are democrats in his cabinet we're talking about so I see where there may be some confusion in what I said. But he does attempt to appear bi-partisan and more moderate than he really is. That's nonsense because he DID win, and it's his prerogative to act as he sees fit. He's not an emperor. Point is, political action should take precedent over political image.

I think party politics are dumb, just as I think polarized opinions of Obama are dumb. I don't need to be painted with that brush because I can sit here and tell you myself I'm a socialist. But I also realize my opinions need to be kept in check. Which is why I enjoy the political discussions I have with a good friend of mine. He's far more moderate than I and provides an outside perspective.

I don't know where you got the idea I was trying to pin this on republicans because that really has nothing to do with my post.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9839614 - 02/21/09 03:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey listen, don't take take everything I say completely literally. Maybe some of my points were ill-received, but you also seem to be implying I said things that I didn't.
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If he thinks a far right evangelical is the best man for the job then so be it. But don't fill your cabinet with corrupt politicians just to appear bi-partisan.




What?  All of the corrupt politicians he has selected are Democrats.  There is nothing bi-partisan about them.



Where did I say they were republicans? My statement was hypothetical. I fully expect his cabinet to be filled with democrats. But I also expect them not to be corrupt. As I said, it should be the best man for the job regardless of political alignment.




Bi-partisan means from both parties.  So far all the tax and ethics deficient nominees have been from one party.  There is nothing bi-partisan about the corruption in the Obama administration.  Yet, of course.
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You said it yourself, Obama does attempt to appear bi-partisan. And bad decisions in an attempt to appear bi-partisan are just as bad as bad decisions to appeal to your own party. That's pandering to someone.




"Pandering" is a word that gets used far too much.
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You're right though, these are democrats in his cabinet we're talking about so I see where there may be some confusion in what I said. But he does attempt to appear bi-partisan and more moderate than he really is. That's nonsense because he DID win, and it's his prerogative to act as he sees fit. He's not an emperor. Point is, political action should take precedent over political image.

I think party politics are dumb, just as I think polarized opinions of Obama are dumb. I don't need to be painted with that brush because I can sit here and tell you myself I'm a socialist. But I also realize my opinions need to be kept in check. Which is why I enjoy the political discussions I have with a good friend of mine. He's far more moderate than I and provides an outside perspective.





My objection to Barry has nothing to do with my held-nose support of Republicans.  I think he is dumb and his policies and acts so far have been very bad for the country.  If there was no Republican party I would still think that.
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I don't know where you got the idea I was trying to pin this on republicans because that really has nothing to do with my post.




Like I said earlier, it was your improper use of the word "bi-partisan".  I also don't think he is much trying to even appear bi-partisan.  The media is trying to by themselves.  They're already trying to spread the blame around.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9839738 - 02/21/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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"Pandering" is a word that gets used far too much.




Not when you consider how much it occurs.

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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9839786 - 02/21/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What isn't pandering when they're trying to get votes and approval?  That's 100% of what they do.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9840103 - 02/21/09 05:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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you also seem to be implying I said things that I didn't.



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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: d33p]
    #9845133 - 02/22/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That was probably a contributing factor to his nomination, what with the desire to expand into alternative energies and such.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9845156 - 02/22/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.

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