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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
    #9858044 - 02/24/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Right.  They weren't socialists because..... you say they weren't.  It must feel empowering to own the language.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9858181 - 02/24/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

They weren't socialists because they didn't satisfy the definition of socialism. Is it hard for you to acknowledge that a men like Stalin or Hitler could have been lairs? lol.

Am I a fireman if I sell shoes?


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
    #9858202 - 02/24/09 06:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well then, why don't you offer us your definition of socialist.  Just so we can all play the game by your rules and you'll have nothing to whine about.  Because a normal English speaker's definition of "socialism" seems to disagree with yours.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9858307 - 02/24/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Why are you insinuating that I have made up my own definition of Socialism when I am the one going by the accepted definition...and not you?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9858290#Post9858290


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
    #9858419 - 02/24/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Capitalism vs Socialism vs Communism

[1] The differences between capitalism vs socialism vs communism may be summarized as follows:

Capitalism is an informal economic system in which property is largely privately owned, and in which profit provides incentive for capital investment and the employment of labor.

Socialism is a formal economic system in which society exerts considerable control over the nation's wealth and property in the pursuit of social justice.

Communism is a formal economic system in which property, particularly capital property (e.g. factories, machines, tools, etc.), is commonly owned and scarce resources are allocated through planning as opposed to price signals in a free market.

[2] The three economic systems have the following characteristics:

Capitalism Socialism Communism





http://www.conservative-resources.com/capitalism-vs-socialism-vs-communism.html


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9858651 - 02/24/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You accuse me of manufacturing my own definition of socialism, I provide several definitions from non-biased sources, and then you provide a counter-definition from a conservative website.

I'm sorry but that is just terrible.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
    #9858852 - 02/24/09 08:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Again, gentlemen.... bring this discussion back on topic - the corruption of Obama's cabinet picks. There are hundreds of threads dealing with Socialism which can be resurrected if that's what turns your crank. THIS thread is not about socialism.




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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9860497 - 02/25/09 01:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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http://www.conservative-resources.com/capitalism-vs-socialism-vs-communism.html



:ilold: What a shitty link. That site was written by some management student in Canada.

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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9860778 - 02/25/09 03:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

> :lockdance:

Knowing that you posted off topic after being warned by the moderator, and then asking for a lock, should probably be a :ban:


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9860852 - 02/25/09 03:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

My lockdance emoticon was to signify the likelihood that this thread would be locked, not to "ask for a lock." If you ban me why don't you ban the other several people who have been posting after Phred's warning?

By the way you still haven't managed to show how America is somehow exclusive in its social mobility after your argument fell apart earlier. Funny how we were way off topic then but you didn't seem to care that much.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9860962 - 02/25/09 05:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

> If you ban me

If I were going to ban you, I wouldn't have warned...

Can we please get back on topic.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9860995 - 02/25/09 05:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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If I were going to ban you, I wouldn't have warned...



Then why mention it up in the first place? You're just blustering at this point.

Anyway, back on topic, Obama's next attempt at Commerce Secretary. Third time's a charm right? Hopefully this fellow doesn't have any skeletons in his closet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/23/AR2009022302618.html


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9861026 - 02/25/09 06:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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After several high-profile misfires emerged in the Cabinet selection process, Locke is regarded as a safe choice by senior officials in the Obama administration given his long history in public life, his strait-laced reputation and his bipartisan governing credentials. His steady -- and generally popular -- tenure as governor of Washington was the biggest factor in his selection, according to a source familiar with the administration's thinking.



:yawn: the most interesting thing about him is his surname, I think.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
    #9861035 - 02/25/09 06:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

:yesnod: After all of those miscues in that position a boring guy would suit this administration best.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: johnm214]
    #9861233 - 02/25/09 07:39 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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flip3084 said:
Do you know why Iraq invaded Kuwait. Do you know anything of our dealings with Saddam at that point, and why things changed? Do you know what the Sunni crescent is? Your just repeating what our war mongers have fed to you, and the rest of this nation. Patriotism should never be blind, for that is more treason than anything. Instead, we should challenge our nations own ideals, and force it to better itself...





This is arrogant and silly.


For no reason you identify you just presume Zappa is ignorant and quiz him on shit rather than making any point whatsoever.  He responded to assertions that incorrectly stated Iraq didn't begin aggressions.

Seems like you read a few paragraphs on the history of our involvement in the region and now you're an expert.  Why would you presume people wouldn't know the history of this area and our involvement in it?  It just seems brash arrogance.


You're suggesting "you're ignorant if you don't think like me" without even dressing it up.  Given you've referenced nothing not insanely covered and popularized by even the popular press (Newsweek, time, et cert) your inferences to intellectual superiority seems poorly justified.




I'm sorry, who are you? I happen to believe in a socialist democracy, and am not backing down on that issue. I also happen to be quite politically active, hence my cockiness, or maybe that is due in part to me being 24yrs old. Either or, I do have confidence about my opinions, and I will challenge continuously what I do not agree with. That is my nature.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9861477 - 02/25/09 09:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Hopefully this fellow doesn't have any skeletons in his closet.




Yet another dashed hope.

There are far too many embedded links in this analysis for me to attempt to re-create them here. It's best to click, go there, and browse around. Bottom line - Team Obama screws the pooch yet again.






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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Phred]
    #9861517 - 02/25/09 09:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Yet another dashed hope.



:lol: Oh boy. Poor Obama can't catch a break.

On the other hand, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a politician from either party that doesn't have the stench of scandals and pandering to special interests on them. It seems to come with the territory these days.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9861527 - 02/25/09 09:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Virus_with_Shoes said:
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Yet another dashed hope.



:lol: Oh boy. Poor Obama can't catch a break.

On the other hand, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a politician from either party that doesn't have the stench of scandals and pandering to special interests on them. It seems to come with the territory these days.




Don't you love the double standard..??


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9863032 - 02/25/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'll discuss it in another thread if you want to start one.  Phred has said we should have gotten back on topic.  I probably should have deleted that post anyways after I read phred's warning.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: johnm214]
    #9901299 - 03/03/09 01:01 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Another great pick by Obama.

http://us.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/obama.kirk.taxes/index.html:
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Former Dallas, Texas, Mayor Ron Kirk, who is President Obama's nominee to be the U.S. trade representative, owes nearly $10,000 in taxes. He's the fourth Obama pick that has come under fire for tax issues.




What I find really annoying...

Quote:

Kirk has agreed to pay the $9,975 he owes from amended returns, according to the report.




If any of us don't pay our taxes, even if they are "a few minor issues", we get hit hard with penalties such as fines and interest.  Why are all of these politicians getting off with simply paying what they owed?


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