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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
    #9845629 - 02/22/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.

So it is flawed logic when they are Democrats, but not flawed logic when they are neo-cons?  (I know you are fairly new here, but the lefties tend to blame neo-cons (perhaps rightly so) for being corrupt by nature.)  Just pointing out the double standard.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9845637 - 02/22/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:

You're so jumpy Seuss, he's just saying that relating political affiliation to corruption is flawed logic.

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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9845648 - 02/22/09 06:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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> Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.

So it is flawed logic when they are Democrats, but not flawed logic when they are neo-cons?  (I know you are fairly new here, but the lefties tend to blame neo-cons (perhaps rightly so) for being corrupt by nature.)  Just pointing out the double standard.




It's flawed logic to apply it to one party, as if party had anything to do with it.  Sarah Palin, for example, just got her ass in a crack over unpaid taxes.  This isn't a republican thing, or a democrat thing, it's a politician thing.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: TGRR]
    #9845654 - 02/22/09 06:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> This isn't a republican thing, or a democrat thing, it's a politician thing.

Which is the point I was trying to make... in a round-about manner.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9845671 - 02/22/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That was the point already being made


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9845797 - 02/22/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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> Them being Democrats has nothing to do with their corruption, it's just flawed logic.

So it is flawed logic when they are Democrats, but not flawed logic when they are neo-cons?  (I know you are fairly new here, but the lefties tend to blame neo-cons (perhaps rightly so) for being corrupt by nature.)  Just pointing out the double standard.




California has some corrupt ass Republicans and Illinois has some corrupt ass Democrats.

Corruption has no political party, everyone is invited to take part.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Man Unkind]
    #9846250 - 02/22/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The biggest difference is the corruption was not only tolerated, but encouraged and covered up for the past 8 years, and now the message is being sent that those days are over.  Nothing could be more corrupt than dick cheneys 'secret energy task force' made up of oil execs just before oil prices quadrupled, but they refused to cooperate or even disclose minutes of the meetings, and every one of us took it up the you know what.

Fortunately, they're trying to clean that culture up.  I don't give a damn who some politician has slept with, but if he or she is a thief with my tax money, I want them gone.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9846732 - 02/22/09 08:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Precisely


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9848452 - 02/23/09 03:15 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> The biggest difference is the corruption was not only tolerated, but encouraged and covered up for the past 8 years, and now the message is being sent that those days are over.

Gee... I thought the message now was if you are corrupt and didn't pay your taxes, you can still get a job on Obama's cabinet.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: Seuss]
    #9848608 - 02/23/09 05:27 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Did those guys get the job? I haven't been following this, but I thought Obama withdrew the nomination.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zouden]
    #9848755 - 02/23/09 06:53 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Geithner is now Secretary of the Treasury.  He was too big to fail.  Everybody knows that corruption knows no party.  My objection was to FOSS1L's assertion that the corruption in the Obama cabinet nominees somehow included members of both parties.  It does not. 

Palin's tax issue is that she owes taxes after just now receiving a ruling regarding the per diem she received for using her house.  It was not at all clear that she did.  She could probably appeal it if she wanted to.  Or just pay the few grand.  There is nothing improper or corrupt going on there at all.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: TGRR]
    #9848896 - 02/23/09 08:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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  Sarah Palin, for example, just got her ass in a crack over unpaid taxes.  This isn't a republican thing, or a democrat thing, it's a politician thing.




Sarah Palin is in trouble for not paying her taxes?

this is another new claim about Palin that I've not heard.

please explain.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9848901 - 02/23/09 08:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Palin's tax issue is that she owes taxes after just now receiving a ruling regarding the per diem she received for using her house.  It was not at all clear that she did.  She could probably appeal it if she wanted to.  Or just pay the few grand.  There is nothing improper or corrupt going on there at all.





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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: F0SS1L]
    #9848954 - 02/23/09 08:25 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sick of the bullshit polarized opinions of Obama. Half the people think he's the freakin messiah, and the other half that see him fall short of that are already damning him as a president.

Do I agree with every decision he makes? Hell no. But as it's been pointed out, Bush set the bar pretty low and got us in to this mess. And I still firmly believe that Obama will be a much better president than McCain would've been. The country is on the verge of a depression. It's not gonna be all flowers and sunshine.

As for the corruption, I agree it's bullshit. Why not just appoint me the new Drug Czar? I think these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But what bothers me even more is that these people are complete fucking hypocrites.

The problem with Obama's choices is he attempts to appear more bi-partisan or moderate than he really is. Fuck the right, you're the president now. You don't have to appease these people and fill your cabinet with corruption. It's just politics as usual not "change". I'm a pretty open democratic socialist so I suppose that's easy for me to say, but it sure beats having a president that thinks he talks to God. And on that note, I think it's pretty funny to hear people call Obama a socialist. Quite frankly, I'm offended  :rofl2:




That is awesome.. and nicely put. People spew the term socialism, after hearing morons like glenn beck and Sean Hannity speak of it. Im sorry, but these men have proven themselves to be morons, and sensationlists, rather than inteligent credible sources..


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849001 - 02/23/09 08:46 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This moron thinks Obama is a socialist and no other morons have managed to explain how he isn't.  His entire health care initiative is socialist as is his homeowner bum bailout.  His plan to increase taxes on those who already pay almost all of the taxes is socialist as is his plan to give tax rebates to people who don't pay taxes.  Then there is the card check gift to the unions.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9849028 - 02/23/09 09:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

How do you see socilaized healthcare, as a problem.. Wouldn't want to take care of anyone now would we??


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849065 - 02/23/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Why should I pay for people to be able to taken care of?


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849078 - 02/23/09 09:21 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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How do you see socilaized healthcare, as a problem.. Wouldn't want to take care of anyone now would we??




Weren't you the guy who just tried to make the point that he wasn't a socialist?

I see socialized health care as a problem because it will limit my choices, be run by incompetents, abused by bums and corrupt politicians, and paid for entirely by a miniscule portion of the population (mostly me).  I'll take care of the people I choose to take care of, thank you very much.  The rest of you can fucking take care of yourselves.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9849095 - 02/23/09 09:27 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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How do you see socilaized healthcare, as a problem.. Wouldn't want to take care of anyone now would we??




Weren't you the guy who just tried to make the point that he wasn't a socialist?

I see socialized health care as a problem because it will limit my choices, be run by incompetents, abused by bums and corrupt politicians, and paid for entirely by a miniscule portion of the population (mostly me).  I'll take care of the people I choose to take care of, thank you very much.  The rest of you can fucking take care of yourselves.




And it is not completely fucking corrupt right now?? It is a meat industry.. Healthcare companies, make there loot, from denying (experimental treatment) Which can pretty much include almost anything. We currently have a horrible healthcare system.. And to the guy who said he shouldn't have to pay to help others... wow. You are exactly what pisses off the rest of the world.. The lack of compassion for the fellow man.. I believe it was said once, that  we judge a nation on how they treat the least amongst them.. That is what is supposed to be great about this country, and what is seemingly beginning to fail.


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Re: Obama's Cabinet Of Corruption (Do Democrats EVER Pay Taxes?) [Re: flip3084]
    #9849111 - 02/23/09 09:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I have plenty of compassion, I volunteer literally every week and actually hold a job at a non-profit currently. Don't talk about what you know nothing about.

I will support those who I choose, not who government says I should support. Coerced compassion is not compassion at all.  Also, I could not give a shit less about what you or the rest of the world thinks about me.


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