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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns]
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Morphological and Developmental Signals
While mycelium typically grows in the dark (underground or within a substrate), light signals are often required for the transition to reproductive stages.
Pigmentation: Research on Morchella sextelata has shown that light (specifically blue light, though UV often overlaps in experimental light-response studies) stimulates the synthesis of melanin within the mycelium (Qiu et al., 2023). Melanin provides a protective benefit by increasing the mycelium's resistance to environmental stressors.
Morphogenesis: Light exposure is considered a critical environmental trigger for the formation of sclerotia (resting bodies) and the subsequent development of primordia (baby mushrooms). In some species, limited UV exposure can act as a stress signal that pushes the mycelium to store nutrients and prepare for fruiting (Pilz et al., 2007; Li et al., 2023).

Mutagenesis for Improved Strains
In a laboratory setting, UV radiation (and similar high-energy treatments like plasma) is used "beneficially" to induce mutations that result in more resilient strains.
Heat Resistance: Recent research used Atmospheric and Room Temperature Plasma (which involves UV radiation) to create mutant strains of Morchella eximia with significantly higher thermal adaptability (Zhang et al., 2024). These mutants could survive and grow at temperatures that would typically kill or stall wild-type morel mycelium.

References
Jiang, Q., Zhang, M., & Mujumdar, A. S. (2020). UV induced conversion during drying of ergosterol to vitamin D in various mushrooms: Effect of different drying conditions. Trends in Food Science & Technology, 105, 200–210. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tifs.2020.09.011
Li, Y., Chen, H., & Zhang, X. (2023). Cultivation, nutritional value, bioactive compounds of morels, and their health benefits: A systematic review. Frontiers in Nutrition, 10. https://doi.org/10.3389/fnut.2023.1159029
Pilz, D., McLain, R., Alexander, S., Villarreal-Ruiz, L., Berch, S., Wurtz, T. L., Parks, C. G., McFarlane, E., Baker, B., Molina, R., & Smith, J. E. (2007). Ecology and management of morels harvested from the forests of western North America. U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. https://doi.org/10.2737/pnw-gtr-710
Qiu, Z., Wang, S., Zhao, J., Cui, L., Wang, X., Cai, N., Li, H., Ren, S., Li, T., & Shu, L. (2023). Synthesis and structural characteristics analysis of melanin pigments induced by blue light in Morchella sextelata. Frontiers in Microbiology, 14. https://doi.org/10.3389/fmicb.2023.1276457
Zhang, Q., Lin, J., Yan, J.,符号, R., Feng, R., Gan, Y., & Gan, B. (2024). Enhanced heat resistance in Morchella eximia by atmospheric and room temperature plasma. Microorganisms, 12(3), 518. https://doi.org/10.3390/microorganisms12030518

Research on the specific effects of UV-A versus UV-B on morel (Morchella) fruiting is a niche but growing area of study. Because morels are notoriously difficult to fruit indoors, researchers have looked at light as a critical "trigger."
While blue light (400–480 nm) is the most famous trigger for morel primordia (the "pinning" stage), UV radiation plays a distinct, complementary role.
1. UV-B (280–315 nm): The "Bio-Chemical" Stimulant
UV-B is generally more intense and can be inhibitory in large doses, but in controlled "pulses," it has specific benefits for morel development:
Vitamin D Synthesis: UV-B is the primary wavelength responsible for converting ergosterol into Vitamin D2. Research shows that morel mycelium and fruiting bodies exposed to UV-B significantly increase their nutritional density.
Melanin & Stress Response: UV-B triggers the production of melanin in the mycelium. In morel cultivation, melanin is associated with the formation of sclerotia (the nutrient-dense "resting bodies" that morels must form before they can fruit). The stress from low-dose UV-B can signal the mycelium to transition from "vegetative growth" to "survival/storage mode," which is a prerequisite for fruiting.
2. UV-A (315–400 nm): The "Morphological" Trigger
UV-A is closer to visible blue light and is often used by fungi as a developmental signal:
Primordia Initiation: Some studies on Morchella species suggest that while blue light is the main driver, Near-UV (UV-A) can enhance the density of primordia formation. It acts as a high-energy signal that the mycelium has reached the surface (the "soil-air interface"), telling the fungus it is safe to produce a fruiting body.
Pigmentation and Cap Health: UV-A helps in the development of the dark, rich pigments in morel caps. These pigments (melanins) protect the delicate spore-bearing tissues from solar damage in the wild.

Practical Application for Growers
If you are experimenting with morel cultivation, current research suggests:
Darkness for Growth: Keep the mycelium in total darkness during the initial colonization of the substrate.
Blue/UV-A for Pinning: Once the substrate is fully colonized and "exogenous nutrition" (like a nutrient bag) is removed, introducing a spectrum rich in Blue and UV-A light (mimicking spring sunlight through a forest canopy) can help trigger the first pins.
Short UV-B Bursts: Brief exposure to UV-B (a few minutes a day) is sometimes used to increase the "fitness" of the mycelium or boost the final Vitamin D content of the harvest.

Research specifically targeting morel (Morchella) species often groups UV-A (315–400 nm) with "Blue light" treatments, as they share similar photoreceptors. While precise "dosages" for UV specifically can vary by laboratory, researchers have established clear intensity and duration ranges that maximize benefits while avoiding the harmful effects of overexposure.
1. UV-A and Blue Light (Fruiting & Primordia)
For triggering the transition from mycelium to fruiting (the "pinning" stage), researchers use specific light intensities to simulate the forest floor in spring.
Intensity: 500 – 1,000 lux (approx. 10 – 20 \mumol m$^{-2}$ s$^{-1}$).
Note: In general fungal studies, intensities up to 50 \mumol m$^{-2}$ s$^{-1}$ are used for mycelial stimulation, but morels are sensitive; higher intensities can dry out the primordia.
Photoperiod (Duration): 12 hours ON / 12 hours OFF.
Continuous light is often inhibitory. The 12/12 cycle mimics the natural circadian rhythm required for the fungus to coordinate its metabolic resources for fruiting.
Wavelength Focus: Most success in Morchella sextelata research uses light centered around 450 nm (Blue), but this includes the UV-A spectrum (up to 400 nm) which is critical for cap pigmentation and melanin synthesis.
2. UV-B (Nutritional & Stress Stimulation)
UV-B is used in much shorter "shocks" because its higher energy can damage DNA. Its primary "beneficial" use is the bio-fortification of Vitamin D2.
Intensity: 1.0 – 1.5 mW/cm².
Duration:
Pulsed Exposure: High-intensity "flashes" (Xenon pulsed light) can achieve maximum Vitamin D conversion in as little as 1 – 3 seconds.
Continuous Exposure: For standard UV-B lamps, beneficial effects (melanin and Vitamin D) are reached within 15 – 30 minutes.
Threshold of Harm: Exposure beyond 60 – 120 minutes typically leads to "stagnation" or a decrease in mycelial health as the fungus shifts energy toward repairing DNA damage rather than growth.
3. UV-C (Sterilization & Mutagenesis)
UV-C (below 280 nm) is almost never used for growth, but it is used for "Mutation Breeding":
Dosage: Short bursts (e.g., 30–60 seconds) are used to stress the mycelium to induce genetic variations. Breeders then select the surviving "mutants" that show faster growth or better heat resistance.

Pro-Tip for Growers: If you are using UV/Blue lights indoors, ensure your humidity is extremely high (>90%). Light sources (even LEDs) can cause micro-evaporation on the surface of the mycelium, which is the #1 cause of "aborts" (primordia that stop growing).

Pro-Tip for Growers: If you are using UV/Blue lights indoors, ensure your humidity is extremely high (>90%). Light sources (even LEDs) can cause micro-evaporation on the surface of the mycelium, which is the #1 cause of "aborts" (primordia that stop growing).

Designing a lighting schedule for morels requires balancing light as a biological signal with the need to prevent the substrate from drying out. Morels are highly sensitive to "micro-climates" at the soil surface.
Here is a researched schedule based on the life cycle of indoor Morchella cultivation.
Phase 1: Colonization & Sclerotia Formation
During this phase, the mycelium is building its nutrient reserves. In the wild, this happens underground.
Light: Total Darkness (0 lux).
Duration: 2–4 weeks (until the substrate is fully colonized).
Note: While some research suggests morels can tolerate low light during this phase, darkness prevents premature "browning" of the mycelium and focuses energy on lateral expansion.
UV Exposure: None. UV at this stage can inhibit the rate of colonization.
Phase 2: The "Trigger" (Primordia Initiation)
Once the mycelium has matured (often indicated by the mycelium turning a golden-brown color and forming sclerotia), you must signal "Spring" is here.

| Variable | Setting | Purpose |
|---|---|---|
| Light Type | UV-A + Blue LED (approx. 450nm) | Mimics the high-energy blue light of early spring. |
| Intensity | 500 – 800 Lux | Provides enough signal without heating the surface. |
| Photoperiod | 12h ON / 12h OFF | Establishes a circadian rhythm for pinning. |
| Temperature | 10°C – 15°C (50°F – 60°F) | Critical "Cold Shock" combined with light. |
| Humidity | 95% – 100% | Prevents the new pins from "aborting." |

Designing a lighting schedule for morels requires balancing light as a biological signal with the need to prevent the substrate from drying out. Morels are highly sensitive to "micro-climates" at the soil surface.
Here is a researched schedule based on the life cycle of indoor Morchella cultivation.
Phase 1: Colonization & Sclerotia Formation
During this phase, the mycelium is building its nutrient reserves. In the wild, this happens underground.
Light: Total Darkness (0 lux).
Duration: 2–4 weeks (until the substrate is fully colonized).
Note: While some research suggests morels can tolerate low light during this phase, darkness prevents premature "browning" of the mycelium and focuses energy on lateral expansion.
UV Exposure: None. UV at this stage can inhibit the rate of colonization.
Phase 2: The "Trigger" (Primordia Initiation)
Once the mycelium has matured (often indicated by the mycelium turning a golden-brown color and forming sclerotia), you must signal "Spring" is here.

That is way too much specific information to be considered a hallucination of an Ai.
Garbage? Not with ScienceDirect cited references.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 2
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Ai takes known information and adds it’s own context and combines multiple sources rearranging the correct order and overall butchering it to the point where you have to just get it from the source itself, you want better results, open the cited links and read the articles yourself and take notes

I love Ai but there’s a right way and wrong way to use it

I know you’ve been here from day one but that’s not the flex you want, you should have figured it out sooner, don’t take that wrong, i don’t have anything against you, i just think you’re not seeing what’s right in front of you, …….

it’s temperatures…. It’s always been temperatures, the Chinese now have indoor factories and the only thing they do is adjust temperatures at key developmental stages for specific times that mimics the slow procession of winter to spring

Same thing with the danish brothers

And even owers patent he gives the correct temperature but leaves out the duration necessary to induce them


The answer is time/temp dependent, this is actually the answer to all cold weather species, we tend to get impatient and give up or pull them early because most mushrooms fruit after a few weeks of induction

I’m not trying to reveal too much but this is also how I got blewits, chaga, and wine caps to fruit indoors


So please don’t get mad at me but I’m giving you the answer, without directly explaining it, it’s time and temp

i actually have direct confirmation from a successful indoor morel grower and a specific article no one seems to know about yet


And I want to add a bit of critical thinking here, what about all the morels that pin under 2-4 inches of leaf litter that doesn’t receive any sunlight??
Light is helpful but it’s not enough to intentionally supply direct light, indirect light is sufficient, even the huge outdoor Chinese farms use shade cloth


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Edited by 7Suns (01/17/26 09:52 AM)

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns]
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Yeah I did figure it out. Landscape morels. Which is what everyone else figured out. But actually getting those or their spores requires getting them directly and without a middle man. People will claim anything to get money.

If I wanted landscape morels i.e. rufobrunnea it would require me actually going to San Francisco and locating them at the proper time and environment.

Yet the point you made was that UV is garbage yet it is a factor in the simulation of the real conditions that all morels must face. I've only ever dealt with east coast species that rely on the forest.

The only people that have a chance at growing them without a hurdle of supposed symbiotic requirements is the people on the west coast.

Morchella americana and diminutiva is dependent on symbiosis with trees. Anything from the west coast isn't the same species as the ones near the Great Lakes.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns]
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One thing that I don't agree with that the Ai posted was a 12/12 light pattern.
Sunlight isn't in the sky as much in winter i.e. January and is shorter and there are no leaves on the trees and snow isn't always on the ground and temperatures can be in the 50s in the winter. These are "brown winters" that can trigger asexual spore development after a cold shock. The light pattern would be a 10/14.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: AcidHorse]
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AcidHorse said:
Yeah I did figure it out. Landscape morels. Which is what everyone else figured out. But actually getting those or their spores requires getting them directly and without a middle man. People will claim anything to get money.

If I wanted landscape morels i.e. rufobrunnea it would require me actually going to San Francisco and locating them at the proper time and environment.

Yet the point you made was that UV is garbage yet it is a factor in the simulation of the real conditions that all morels must face. I've only ever dealt with east coast species that rely on the forest.

The only people that have a chance at growing them without a hurdle of supposed symbiotic requirements is the people on the west coast.

Morchella americana and diminutiva is dependent on symbiosis with trees. Anything from the west coast isn't the same species as the ones near the Great Lakes.




You’re misquoting me, I didn’t say uv was garbage i said Ai feedback is garbage, what i said was that uv is not a trigger

Also your wrong, blufuut180 just collected rufobrunnea locally and he’s not on the west coast


And just because something is symbiotic doesn’t mean it needs a host to fruit, fruiting is an independent metabolic process based solely on environmental conditions, you really need to dive deeper you are going off of outdated information


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Edited by 7Suns (01/17/26 10:39 AM)

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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I found that Israeli description back when they first posted several years ago btw and I posted it to this thread. LMAO.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns]
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7Suns said:
Also your wrong, blufuut180 just collected rufobrunnea locally and he’s not on the west coast




What's locally????
locally is not where I am at


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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In fact me and Koopa_Troopa discussed the Masaphy patent back on 03/29/09


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: AcidHorse]
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AcidHorse said:
7Suns said:
Also your wrong, blufuut180 just collected rufobrunnea locally and he’s not on the west coast




What's locally????
locally is not where I am at



https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/317467021

I already told you, and posted it in THIS THREAD btw. Traverse city michigan. Somewhere out on the Leelanau peninsula, bout as far as you get from Bay Area California. I would love to share spores and a clone wedge if you stop posting AI on the thread as it's not adding anything of value and extremely low effort.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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Yeah that is a "FLUKE".
rufo isn't natural there. The reason that happened is because they imported mulch from the West Coast and the spores and spawners mixed into the mulch from out west.

And that has been discussed long ago because it happened once before too.
There's a guy on that inaturalist that even states that it is likely due to imported mulch.
It's not natural to the east coast.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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Yeah it's not the first time this has happened. And even koopa_troopa or one of the others brought it up and found that it had happened due to imported mulch from the west coast.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: AcidHorse]
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😂🤣 Were you snooping around the old Lansing Neogen plant???


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: AcidHorse]
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That guy would be me, and I honestly have changed my mind. One of my favorite things about Michigan is that once you leave the metro Detroit area, it's basically nothing but trees. Makes absolutely no sense to import mulch across the county. The spot they were fruiting at is where a mulched path and a gravel driveway meet. The mulch there is also pretty old you can see it on Inat listing. In any case it wasn't laid this year. The guy that I got them from pinned the spot on GPS and will go back out next year to see if they come back.

I suppose they could've been imported with a plant too. Lots of yuppies in TC, used to be a great area but it's now largely vacation homes for trust fund children. Surely one of them brought a little piece of home with them to our little corner of the world.

Should also check the range map for rufrobrunnea and importuna on INaturalist. Handful have been found here.


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 3
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AcidHorse said:
I found that Israeli description back when they first posted several years ago btw and I posted it to this thread. LMAO.




I never said anything about the Israeli paper

Also ….. can you  take it down a notch on double and triple posting, there’s an edit button if you forgot to add something to your post, this isn’t facebook :lol:


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns]
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Fairly crude "experiment" to see if we can establish mycorrhizae between Fraxinus americana and Morchella americana. Seed grown sappling watered in with a LI of multiple old morel cultures I was going to discard


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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Blufuut180 said:


Fairly crude "experiment" to see if we can establish mycorrhizae between Fraxinus americana and Morchella americana. Seed grown sappling watered in with a LI of multiple old morel cultures I was going to discard



Do you have it living in a plant pot? Or what kind of medium?

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blufuut180]
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My wife is from Ludington and we go back every year to visit her family but one time her stepdad was picking us up from Muskegon airport and he just randomly found a bunch of morels growing by the fence. That was my first time ever eating morels sauteed in butter garlic and holy moly I was hooked. That's the only reason why I got interested in seeing If I could grow them myself.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: ihansterx4i]
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Also I had a side question. I spawned all those spore prints you sent me Blufuut180 but they aren't colonizing white like im used to with actives. They sort of turned reddish and then stalled out and now I can see a few grains of wheat turn green almost like its algae. Is it just totally contaminated? I know the myc grew really wispy almost like cotton candy on the agar plates. Im assuming its contaminated though.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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CreonAntigone said:
Blufuut180 said:


Fairly crude "experiment" to see if we can establish mycorrhizae between Fraxinus americana and Morchella americana. Seed grown sappling watered in with a LI of multiple old morel cultures I was going to discard



Do you have it living in a plant pot? Or what kind of medium?



I germinated the seed in jiffy mix and transferred to potting mix that was inoculated with the old cultures.

Also post pics of what your jars look like, morel mycelium is very odd. It's not anything like psilocybe. Grows very fast and matures to a golden color.


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