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OfflineHarveyWalbanger
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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: chemkid]
    #917705 - 09/29/02 07:51 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I've never entirely believed I had a soul. I really do feel more like a mass of genetic muscle, with no real reason for being here. Memories aren't even really memories. They're more like facts that I use to piece together things. Not really remembering a scenario, more recreating it like a play from memory....

but thats just me... how do you feel in the morning?

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: vaporbrains]
    #917877 - 09/29/02 09:30 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

BTW...The Arabic author who most influenced Western alchemy was Jabir ibn Hayyan (b. 721). He followed Aristotle; was highly mathematical; and was quite difficult to understand by most. His name is sometimes rendered 'Geber,' and difficult, esoteric works were often referred to as 'Geberish,' which now comes down to the word you used - "gibberish." Jabir gave significant practical (chemical) knowledge to the world as well as important mystical (alchemical) concepts. But, then again, it's only a word.


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #919083 - 09/30/02 08:53 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

first let me say: "HAHAHAHA." ok..now...

it isn't scientific despite all your talk of neurotransmitters and brainwaves. it'sa philosophical question. please provide me with one single research study with the hypothesis "the soul does/doesn't exist" or "the soul is/isn't material." science has no interest in things it can't measure and the "soul" isn't a measurable entitiy.

mr mushrooms: i'm afraid that simply isn't germane, mon frere. Also: if the soul exists outside of the space/time continuum then what qualities does it have? are these qualities knowable? the existence/nonexistence of the soul seems to me to be about as disprovable as the existence of god. it also seems like a meaningless question. how do you define your soul? is it basically you, your personality? or is it just some sort of "consiousness" without features that only takes shape when channeled through a body? if you claim that the soul is anything but absolutely me, and everything i am as a mental entity then i could care less if "it" exists, because i'll be dead.

physical does not imply atomistic: i merely point out that the physical need not be broken down into individual units. Bohm's (i think it is) demonstration of ink drops materializing and dematerializing in glycerin is a good example of this idea. the ink is distributed through out the glycerin. when the glycerin is spun backwards the ink forms up into little drops (atoms).


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: vaporbrains]
    #919091 - 09/30/02 09:01 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

interesting etymology. i'll have to cut and paste that whenever i encounter the word in the future.


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: vaporbrains]
    #919236 - 09/30/02 10:29 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

The old vapor brains was a dud.  I am increasingly impressed by your thought.  Your last post to me is a case in point.  You can think.  I like that. :smile:

it isn't scientific despite all your talk of neurotransmitters and brainwaves. it'sa philosophical question. please provide me with one single research study with the hypothesis "the soul does/doesn't exist" or "the soul is/isn't material." science has no interest in things it can't measure and the "soul" isn't a measurable entitiy.

Indeed.

mr mushrooms: i'm afraid that simply isn't germane, mon frere. Also: if the soul exists outside of the space/time continuum then what qualities does it have? are these qualities knowable? the existence/nonexistence of the soul seems to me to be about as disprovable as the existence of god. it also seems like a meaningless question. how do you define your soul? is it basically you, your personality? or is it just some sort of "consiousness" without features that only takes shape when channeled through a body? if you claim that the soul is anything but absolutely me, and everything i am as a mental entity then i could care less if "it" exists, because i'll be dead.

Germane to what?

I am referring to the immateriality aspect of the mind which I translate as 'soul' (pneuma).  More properly it should be called the spirit (psyche), which is eternal.

You didn't address my comment about atomistic.  Would you please comment on it.

Cheers, 

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #920880 - 09/30/02 05:10 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

if the soul is made out of something, it'd suck ending up in a blackhole

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #919985 - 09/30/02 05:12 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Er, um, ahem... psyche=soul [and butterfly]; spirit=pneuma [as in pneumatic, pneumonia, i.e., 'airy'].


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #920126 - 09/30/02 06:11 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

i edited my post to include some babbling about atomistic. let me beat off these radioactive small-pox infected rats and i'll get back to you on the rest.


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #920213 - 09/30/02 06:42 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I knew we'd come to blows over this one.  I understand your point but I view the trichotomy differently.  Psyche also means spirit as in no breath.  Soul refers to breath which is the component of living in the body.

Body

Soul

Spirit

Only one is eternal. :smile:

Cheers,

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #920232 - 09/30/02 06:49 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

You're weird.  :smile:


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #920244 - 09/30/02 06:54 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

we all are!


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #920247 - 09/30/02 06:54 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Next question:

:ooo: :mad: :cool: :smile: :frown: :blush: :crazy: :laugh: :shocked: :smirk: :confused:

Which one of these icons is responsible for the heist?  Do you recognize any of them?

Thank you, I am gald, yes gald, that you noticed.

You have great ackumen. :smile: <---- it wasn't him.

Cheers, 

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #920255 - 09/30/02 06:57 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

it was him -------------> :mad:
i rememeber that night... it was dark... and raining... i was on my way home from work when i passed this alley... *shivers* NO! i don't want to talk about it... it's too much! aarrrrggggh


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: In(di)go]
    #920259 - 09/30/02 06:58 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

[scribbles detective-like notes in a big black book]

Are you sure?

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #920292 - 09/30/02 07:11 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

*starts crying*
yes officer! it was so horrible... i could never forget that face! it ruined every single of my posts... don't you see the evil in his face? are you sure he can't see throuh this glass? i feel he is looking at me... straight into my eyes
*runs and hides behind mr_mushrooms* ... what are you going to do to him?


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: In(di)go]
    #920311 - 09/30/02 07:15 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

This man has been wanted for major felonies in every state!  But, since the law of the universe is love and we don't want to make him feel bad, I'm going to suggest that he switch to de-caff and let him go.

That way I'll feel better about myself. :smile:

Stop that trembling.  I'm sure he meant well.

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #920318 - 09/30/02 07:18 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

well... actually i must admit he helps me in my posts every once in a while... but i still kind of dislike him... he has a bad vibration about him... but i guess that can't be helped, after all he's just expressing his feelings...  :grin:


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: In(di)go]
    #920328 - 09/30/02 07:20 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

:wink:

^^^ I have something in my eye.  Can you see it?

Cheers, 

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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: ]
    #920349 - 09/30/02 07:26 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

not if you keep it closed!  :grin:


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Re: Where does the soul reside? [Re: chemkid]
    #920768 - 09/30/02 09:31 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

im surprised nobody has said this yet.
the pineal gland in the brain. the source of dmt in the brain.


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