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Re: Dark Night of the Soul *DELETED* [Re: soulcircus]
#5940317 - 08/07/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't endorse mystical concepts, the works of fiction can only lead one so far
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
#5940740 - 08/07/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is my 53rd year of it.
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
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someone should have corrected me
 the other one was about rest.
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
#5940946 - 08/07/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess I am not noticing the dark so much lately
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Sounds entirely unnecessary in the path of higher awareness to me. "The dark night of the soul" sounds more like the "The dark night of the ego" to me, in that it seems to resemble the mental sense of identity reacting to an increase in awareness, a refusal to accept reality as it is. 
"Zen masters" wouldn't face "the dark night of soul". 
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
#5941045 - 08/07/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I flirted with it in a way but the process was much less linear and much more confusing than one can gather from the description at the themystic.org site. St. John of the Cross wrote his famous book on this topic in which he explained that there are two kinds of the Dark Night; a more 'gentle' one for beginners and the real one for experts. According to St. John only a few souls are ever exposed to the real dark night, because it's just too much to bare. It seems that this second Dark Night corresponds to the final ego-death in psychedelic psychotherapy where one has to face total abandonment, damnation, humiliation, despair and final destruction on all imaginable levels. No fun at all.
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I have low grade dark night of the soul.
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Icelander]
#5941140 - 08/07/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I feel better now.
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
#5941821 - 08/07/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I am familiar with John of the Cross's work, which I was introduced to in seminary, after I had experienced a version of the Dark Night. For me, this occurred after 3 years of living high on acid while studying philosophy in college. I lived in exalted states for 3 years in an ivory tower college situation with no responsibilities, no view to the future and the inevitability of graduation. Having changed from bio-medical major with medicine as a goal to philosophy, and being too inner-directed for my own good, I found myself living once again with my parents, sweeping floors and emptying trash cans for 8 hours a day as a janitor. I finally came down from the high I'd been on during 3 years of avid seeking - like Icarus who flew too close to the sun, my wings melted and I plummeted into cold, hard existence. I had a break down. Life brought me to my knees. I prompty dropped out of teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation, quit my second delivery-guy job, got baptized and hid out for two more years in a Methodist seminary to regain my center and make a plan for my life. Those were the loneliest two years of my life. I was in a Dark Night.
I have experienced spiritual despair at other points, as when my marriage failed - a spiritual reality for me but not for my ex-wife as it turned out. That first plunge was the most profound, but a Phoenix was reborn from the broken Icarus who perished in the dark below.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Yes, I am familiar with John of the Cross's work, which I was introduced to in seminary, after I had experienced a version of the Dark Night. For me, this occurred after 3 years of living high on acid while studying philosophy in college. I lived in exalted states for 3 years in an ivory tower college situation with no responsibilities, no view to the future and the inevitability of graduation. Having changed from bio-medical major with medicine as a goal to philosophy, and being too inner-directed for my own good, I found myself living once again with my parents, sweeping floors and emptying trash cans for 8 hours a day as a janitor. I finally came down from the high I'd been on during 3 years of avid seeking - like Icarus who flew too close to the sun, my wings melted and I plummeted into cold, hard existence. I had a break down. Life brought me to my knees. I prompty dropped out of teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation, quit my second delivery-guy job, got baptized and hid out for two more years in a Methodist seminary to regain my center and make a plan for my life. Those were the loneliest two years of my life. I was in a Dark Night.
Wow. That sounds a lot like where I am right now.
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Silversoul]
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i had a dark being come and stand before me about a month ago.after that,everything changed.very bad stuff,and very bad vibes comming to me from the world.it happened immediatly and i dont know how to make it change for the better
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fireworks_god said: Sounds entirely unnecessary in the path of higher awareness to me. "The dark night of the soul" sounds more like the "The dark night of the ego" to me, in that it seems to resemble the mental sense of identity reacting to an increase in awareness, a refusal to accept reality as it is. 
"Zen masters" wouldn't face "the dark night of soul". 
 Peace.
In facing reality as it is, one must face all of one's delusions of ego as they are. Although insightful this is usually not a very pleasant experience. Shunryu Suzuki was spoke about these delusions as "mind-weeds". He says that we should not be discouraged by the weeds, as in practice, the weeds die to nourish the soil of our original wakefulness. Remember the scene in Star Wars when luke has to face his darkest fears as part of his jedi training? Facing the darkness inside may be the first step to switching on the light of wisdom.
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: jungjedi]
#5943233 - 08/08/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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jungjedi said: i had a dark being come and stand before me about a month ago.after that,everything changed.very bad stuff,and very bad vibes comming to me from the world.it happened immediatly and i dont know how to make it change for the better
if the error is not recoverable, then the questions as I see them are: can you withdraw from your circumstances, and enrol elsewhere? can you begin fresh and avoid the same error? do you know what the errors are, do you need to slow down and evaluate that?
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Icelander]
#5944467 - 08/08/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, that is quite a story. I would of never of thought that you were struggling with these issues too Markos. I don't know. You seem too 'together' for that. It's good to know we younger chaps are not the only ones who got and still get carried away in the thirst for knowledge, use of psychedelics and no strong anchors in the outer world. I guess this is the way it should be.
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