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    #5940275 - 08/07/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dark Night of the Soul *DELETED* [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940317 - 08/07/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5940634 - 08/07/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't endorse mystical concepts, the works of fiction can only lead one so far


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940740 - 08/07/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

This is my 53rd year of it. :grin:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul *DELETED* [Re: capliberty]
    #5940887 - 08/07/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940934 - 08/07/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

someone should have corrected me

the other one was about rest.


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    #5940939 - 08/07/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940946 - 08/07/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I guess I am not noticing the dark so much lately


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5941036 - 08/07/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds entirely unnecessary in the path of higher awareness to me. "The dark night of the soul" sounds more like the "The dark night of the ego" to me, in that it seems to resemble the mental sense of identity reacting to an increase in awareness, a refusal to accept reality as it is. :shrug:

"Zen masters" wouldn't face "the dark night of soul". :smirk:

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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941045 - 08/07/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I flirted with it in a way but the process was much less linear and much more confusing than one can gather from the description at the themystic.org site. St. John of the Cross wrote his famous book on this topic in which he explained that there are two kinds of the Dark Night; a more 'gentle' one for beginners and the real one for experts. According to St. John only a few souls are ever exposed to the real dark night, because it's just too much to bare. It seems that this second Dark Night corresponds to the final ego-death in psychedelic psychotherapy where one has to face total abandonment, damnation, humiliation, despair and final destruction on all imaginable levels. No fun at all.  :frown:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #5941068 - 08/07/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have low grade dark night of the soul. :tongue:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Icelander]
    #5941140 - 08/07/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:cheerup:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #5941478 - 08/07/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think I feel better now. :laugh: :crazy2:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941821 - 08/07/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I am familiar with John of the Cross's work, which I was introduced to in seminary, after I had experienced a version of the Dark Night.
For me, this occurred after 3 years of living high on acid while studying philosophy in college. I lived in exalted states for 3 years in an ivory tower college situation with no responsibilities, no view to the future and the inevitability of graduation. Having changed from bio-medical major with medicine as a goal to philosophy, and being too inner-directed for my own good, I found myself living once again with my parents, sweeping floors and emptying trash cans for 8 hours a day as a janitor. I finally came down from the high I'd been on during 3 years of avid seeking - like Icarus who flew too close to the sun, my wings melted and I plummeted into cold, hard existence. I had a break down. Life brought me to my knees. I prompty dropped out of teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation, quit my second delivery-guy job, got baptized and hid out for two more years in a Methodist seminary to regain my center and make a plan for my life. Those were the loneliest two years of my life. I was in a Dark Night.

I have experienced spiritual despair at other points, as when my marriage failed - a spiritual reality for me but not for my ex-wife as it turned out. That first plunge was the most profound, but a Phoenix was reborn from the broken Icarus who perished in the dark below.


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5941825 - 08/07/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, I am familiar with John of the Cross's work, which I was introduced to in seminary, after I had experienced a version of the Dark Night.
For me, this occurred after 3 years of living high on acid while studying philosophy in college. I lived in exalted states for 3 years in an ivory tower college situation with no responsibilities, no view to the future and the inevitability of graduation. Having changed from bio-medical major with medicine as a goal to philosophy, and being too inner-directed for my own good, I found myself living once again with my parents, sweeping floors and emptying trash cans for 8 hours a day as a janitor. I finally came down from the high I'd been on during 3 years of avid seeking - like Icarus who flew too close to the sun, my wings melted and I plummeted into cold, hard existence. I had a break down. Life brought me to my knees. I prompty dropped out of teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation, quit my second delivery-guy job, got baptized and hid out for two more years in a Methodist seminary to regain my center and make a plan for my life. Those were the loneliest two years of my life. I was in a Dark Night.



Wow. That sounds a lot like where I am right now.


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Silversoul]
    #5942570 - 08/07/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i had a dark being come and stand before me about a month ago.after that,everything changed.very bad stuff,and very bad vibes comming to me from the world.it happened immediatly and i dont know how to make it change for the better


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5943195 - 08/08/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds entirely unnecessary in the path of higher awareness to me. "The dark night of the soul" sounds more like the "The dark night of the ego" to me, in that it seems to resemble the mental sense of identity reacting to an increase in awareness, a refusal to accept reality as it is. :shrug:

"Zen masters" wouldn't face "the dark night of soul". :smirk:

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In facing reality as it is, one must face all of one's delusions of ego as they are. Although insightful this is usually not a very pleasant experience. Shunryu Suzuki was spoke about these delusions as "mind-weeds". He says that we should not be discouraged by the weeds, as in practice, the weeds die to nourish the soil of our original wakefulness. Remember the scene in Star Wars when luke has to face his darkest fears as part of his jedi training? Facing the darkness inside may be the first step to switching on the light of wisdom.


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: jungjedi]
    #5943233 - 08/08/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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i had a dark being come and stand before me about a month ago.after that,everything changed.very bad stuff,and very bad vibes comming to me from the world.it happened immediatly and i dont know how to make it change for the better



if the error is not recoverable, then the questions as I see them are:
can you withdraw from your circumstances, and enrol elsewhere?
can you begin fresh and avoid the same error?
do you know what the errors are, do you need to slow down and evaluate that?


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Icelander]
    #5944467 - 08/08/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:alc:  :crazy2:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5944473 - 08/08/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, that is quite a story. I would of never of thought that you were struggling with these issues too Markos. I don't know. You seem too 'together' for that. It's good to know we younger chaps are not the only ones who got and still get carried away in the thirst for knowledge, use of psychedelics and no strong anchors in the outer world. I guess this is the way it should be.  :smirk:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: Silversoul]
    #5944604 - 08/08/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Wow. That sounds a lot like where I am right now."

If this is true, you must be experiencing quite a bit of 'angst.' If you are, and there is anything I could add that would serve to give some direction, please ask. At the end of seminary, I wrote a response to an editorial in my town's paper about what it meant to me to be a Jewish Christian. Among responses to my article was a lovely 'older' woman (I was 25, she was 39) who helped me to reorganize my then disenchantment with women (since the girl I had fallen in love with had become a prostitute, and eventually a madam of a big operation). The relationship failed when, in going to grad school four hours away, I took up with the woman who would eventually become my Borderline Personality Disordered wife. (I was a dick and I paid for my mistake. )

Recently, a lost friend reconnected with me and sent me some pics. Here I was with the Jewish Christian gal in 1979 with whom I exchanged more than 'a holy kiss,' and who whet my appetite for a life on Earth as well as in Heaven.



This lady was divorced, had a 20 year old son and three teenaged daughters who lived with her. I decided to marry a younger woman, who treated me with evil and who had a tubal ligation without discussing it with me four years into the marriage. Six years after that event, I would be cast into yet another Dark Night. Marriage for me has always been the Alchemical Marriage - the Marriage of Sun and Moon. My ex wife was like Lilith, Adam's first wife, who left him to consort with demons.

"And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:14

I am perhaps at long last with my Eve, but over and against the classical literature of the Dark Night as it pertained to celibate monastics, it must be understood for many of us as it occurs to unwedded beings whose natural state is to be in intimate relationship with an other. The Alchemical 'Conjunctio' for us must be enacted in the outer as well as the inner worlds.

"WHO can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he will have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life."
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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5944868 - 08/08/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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    #5945249 - 08/08/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the affirmation. My friends all liked her too :naughty:. I cheated on her twice in grad school: the first girl gave me herpes, and the second one whom I married almost ruined my life professionally and personally. Bear in mind that at her last birthday, she turned 68. (Then again, I turned 53)  :eek:.


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5945502 - 08/08/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I was throwin' up the horns for your beard, not the girl.  :lol:


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5946961 - 08/09/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry...I guess it was the "Lusts for the Libertines" that influenced my interpretation  :grin:. But, I had the beard a lot longer than I had that lady!


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5951452 - 08/10/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ive been asking similiar questions redgreenvines.ide just like to run and make it with the border of mexico.if you have any suggestions,ide love to hear them because i dont know if i could begin again and not have an angry insight on the world.
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People are strange, when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone
People seem wicked, when you're unwanted
Streets are uneven, when you're down

When you're strange- faces come out of the rain (rain, rain)
When you're strange- no one remembers your name
When you're strange, when you're strange, when you're str-ange


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: jungjedi]
    #5951956 - 08/10/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How strange are ya? Mexico? Wherever you go - you're there. Running never made sense to me.


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: soulcircus]
    #5952001 - 08/10/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I read an interesting book that deals with this topic as well as other similar topics. Dancing the Dream by Jamie Sams. She is one of few Native American (I don't remember what tribe) women taught and led through shamanistic practices.

It's been 2-3 years since I've read the book, but it contains some very detailed descriptions of her dark nights of the soul. I reccomend it.


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Re: Dark Night of the Soul [Re: demiu5]
    #5953067 - 08/11/06 04:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think the 'Dark Night of the Soul' occurs when one perceives that the contents of their mind is not in fact reality and that therefore all is rather empty of ultimate meaning or specific quality or value, thus since things have been eclipsed by the ultimate expansiveness of what underlies them, therefore one becomes overshadowed, as in darkened, by the Ultimate, and so as such one loses pleasure, loses individuality, loses all relative things of their previous character which had previously given them pleasure.

Since St. John was a celibate monk it could be said that this experience really only pertains to those monastics who seek to know God or the Ultimate, and who find their own individuality even, extinguished in the process.

The light at the end of the tunnel being that one finally comes to rest in the Ultimate without pretensions, and finding rest in the Ultimate one goes forth no longer, and seeks no more elsewhere.

Now enough theory. I will tell a bit of personal experience as it may shed some details on the subject.

I was taught a system of meditation (and I will not say which since I am not qualified to teach about it), but in this system one has their nature shown to them, and then having had that shown and realizing that that was indeed all that there is, I was thrust into a black depression and literally cried for a few days having learned that my hopes for a glamorous future were dashed. Learning that liberation was simple like water, and not exciting like a mixed drink I had many chersihed illusions dashed. But then after letting them go I found ultimate freedom in the present without need for recourse to illusory futures filled with pretentious dreams and hopes.

You see, if now is perfect then one resides in the greatest liberator of all. Since all potential resides right here, always at ones disposal.

Sorry this is vague, but I'm afriad that words really will never do justice, so if I included all the details of the whole universe it still would come across vaguely.


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