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Soul as parasite
#7559678 - 10/25/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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According to popular mythology, a soul swoops into our body upon birth and then leaves at the point of death.
It sounds like an opportunistic entity only concerned with it's own well-being, i.e. a parasite.
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My sole is hard rubber, no skid, and waterproof. Very useful indeed, unfortunately it wears out and has to be replaced. As I am skitzo I have a pair of them. I hope this response helps you on your journey.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7559705 - 10/25/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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you all have beautiful parasites
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That is so fucking sweet. I would rate you five for that, but I think I already rated you a 0. Oh well.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7559714 - 10/25/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's the thought that counts, right?
but you've never rated me, actually
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My bad for not titling this thread, 'Why, oh why, didn't we rate dirtworshipper?'.
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But the soul exists before it enters the body, right?
So it doesn't need the body to exist, it simply uses it.
But it appears that yes, the soul certainly does use the body, but regardless, in the words of dirtworshipper,
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Must we swoop?
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Rahz]
#7559773 - 10/25/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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AS they come from a higher plane to a lower plane with a slight 'whooshing' noise, I think swoop is an apt verb.
So sez Shwoopy.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: vitadura]
#7559825 - 10/25/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought(believe) the soul is created out of consciousness. which is why abortion before the second trimester is acceptable, tho still frowned upon, to the catholic church. and why there is talk of things like ghosts in the machine and machines with souls (i.e. conscious 'artificial' intelligence).
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I've never read any mythology where the soul 'swoops into our body upon birth'
but in the event that the soul is real or does exist, I'd like to think along these lines:
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vitadura said: But the soul exists before it enters the body, right?
So it doesn't need the body to exist, it simply uses it.
But it appears that yes, the soul certainly does use the body
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For the soul to be a parasite would not the body have to be a living thing in order to be "parasited" upon? From your own words it would seem that the body is nothing more than a thing in which souls swoop down upon to take a ride, much like we hop on a bicycle and push the pedals with our feet to take 'it' for a ride
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That is very similar to one of Castaneda's more far out ideas. He called it the foreign installation. He claimed that it was a parasite that infected early man, and was carried through the species. It was a spiritual entity that functioned in the way that you described.
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dirtworshipper said:
but you've never rated me, actually
Check again.
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Huehuecoyotl said: That is very similar to one of Castaneda's more far out ideas. He called it the foreign installation. He claimed that it was a parasite that infected early man, and was carried through the species. It was a spiritual entity that functioned in the way that you described.
And to think I actually believed in CC at one time.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7560402 - 10/25/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't believe? Well, I refuse to make any decision at all without cross referencing at least several hundred Castaneda quotes.
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Well, I will admit there is certainly something wrong with how humans use their brains. It could be a parasite or it could be the HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Happy Halloween kiddies.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7560515 - 10/25/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Each soul is only allowed one swoop (and they sometimes miss). The baby in your sig was born without a soul, thus it reveals it's true human nature.
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As Jim Morrison said. "If I had a baby it would be a MONSTER"
His lover did get the abortion.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7560777 - 10/25/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like to think of channeling certain energies rather than parasites. It doesn't really have an end or beginning, ya know??
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Actually, the soul is the mind-body. The spirit or sometimes 'nous' depending upon the Latin or Greek theorist is added to complete a tripartite human nature.
In Kabbalistic thinking, the 'soul' forms the physical, mental, emotional and instinctual 'edifice,' called The Astral Triangle. Above that is another triad comprised of the essential awareness or Witness (Ethical Triangle) which the lower triangle (soul) 'seems' to possess as individual consciousness.
The Ethical Triangle (or spirit), when detached from the Astral Triangle (soul), Realizes its Ultimate Identity as being indistinguishable from the uppermost triad, the Supernal Triangle, which is God. Above God is the tripartite Godhead (Eternal Light, Eternity, and '.' designated by no word at all).
Thus, soul is our mind-body, spirit is the consciousness which underlies the soul, and God is the Transcendental Consciousness. In this model, there is a descent into manifestation and an ascent to the Unmanifest.
Nothing "swoops."
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Like blooming or building a stack of blocks??
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Rahz]
#7561588 - 10/26/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can we not glide?
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Rahz]
#7561792 - 10/26/07 03:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here are two different artist's renditions of the soul 'gliding' (we ALL really know it is 'swooping') in.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: demiu5]
#7564351 - 10/26/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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demius said: I've never read any mythology where the soul 'swoops into our body upon birth'
but in the event that the soul is real or does exist, I'd like to think along these lines:
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vitadura said: But the soul exists before it enters the body, right?
So it doesn't need the body to exist, it simply uses it.
But it appears that yes, the soul certainly does use the body
I have had these thoughts before while pondering....
I imagine that it could be like the matrix in that aspect.... I would like to think that it was a choice that we made for us to be here and experience life on this planet....
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Then why do most not want to die? Unless we consider that the ego is seperate from the soul and, instead, attached to the body. If a soul was simply a parasite, wouldn't it have no preference on whether its host lived or died, especially if we consider that the soul was in 'existence' before it entered our bodies.
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Ever heard of soul braiding or Walk-ins?. It is sort of soul exchange, wherein an advanced soul takes up residence in a body for a temporary period with the willing cooperation of the main soul of the body..
From a website on Soul braiding.
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This is what soul braiding is all about. The process is always done with the cooperation and willingness of the "main soul" expression inhabiting the body. Perhaps this agreement was made before the original soul entered the body, either at birth or as a walk-in. Or, perhaps the soul in the body needs information or experience for a particular purpose and asks for help. The request may be answered by a soul who agrees to provide a part of its expression for this purpose. In turn, it will increase its own experience through this act. The energy from the incoming soul comes in through the top of the head in a spiraling downward process, hence the term soul braiding.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: shakercee]
#7571357 - 10/28/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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shakercee said: Ever heard of soul braiding or Walk-ins?. It is sort of soul exchange, wherein an advanced soul takes up residence in a body for a temporary period with the willing cooperation of the main soul of the body..
From a website on Soul braiding.
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This is what soul braiding is all about. The process is always done with the cooperation and willingness of the "main soul" expression inhabiting the body. Perhaps this agreement was made before the original soul entered the body, either at birth or as a walk-in. Or, perhaps the soul in the body needs information or experience for a particular purpose and asks for help. The request may be answered by a soul who agrees to provide a part of its expression for this purpose. In turn, it will increase its own experience through this act. The energy from the incoming soul comes in through the top of the head in a spiraling downward process, hence the term soul braiding.
Crazy. No wonder why my head feels like its in knots. Actually the experience I had was an out and up... Out the top of the head... images, energy... then down and in... Downloading?? Eventually down and out.
Feel like I was programed by a hovering saucer or something. Yikes.
this going on in my head now. I hear ya. Braids. Nice. Ahhhhh... Braids. Prettier. Neat.
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At least jack is seemingly happy. Jill is pissed.
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OrgoneConclusion said: According to popular mythology, a soul swoops into our body upon birth and then leaves at the point of death.
It sounds like an opportunistic entity only concerned with it's own well-being, i.e. a parasite.
There may be something to get out of life, even for a soul, not only a body. Perhaps the feeling to be only a body. Including the (simple) pleasures and displeasures of body-life. Or the knowledge, that the body is with it (the soul) in it's own purpose. Or simply the knowledge of Independence of it's own origin It's the enjoyment of (somehow independent) existence which lures the soul into body, in general. IMHO. [But there may be some much higher control instances upon this process, as well This whole life could be a huge 'arena' for the soul to be 'tested' in a 'partial' state of existence, similar to Plato's cave-'picture', controlled by some principles and truths going on behind the curtain, which our 'soul' ought to 'know', but were hidden before our immediate conscious eyesight.]
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really the soul is an extension of your body like a base ball bat, see how they evolve, the mind is your spirit or subconcience, the parasite is the seed or work of the angels,gods, or Jesus
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really the soul is an extension of your body like a base ball bat
Did my girlfriend post those pictures of me?
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i hope not, otherwise sell and receive a stamp... for your future rewards
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Tyler Derden said: really the soul is an extension of your body like a base ball bat, see how they evolve, the mind is your spirit or subconcience, the parasite is the seed or work of the angels,gods, or Jesus
Nice fairy tale. Just in time for Halloween.
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the parasites are excited when you're dead eyes bulging, entering your head. and all your thoughts, they rot. god and satan they gamble when you're dead beams of light, one sprite, the other's bourbon instead and all your thoughts, they rot. it was hot and time was stickin to my skin. we're all a punchline to a joke that they won't let us in on. and all your thoughts, they rot.
-some criminal fanatic
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sweet
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7577375 - 10/30/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the soul is intention. it exists in dreams and waking life. it leaves clues and signs.
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says you
and without any evidence I might add
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
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i went to the library today after walking through the woods
i scanned a bookshelf for about 10 seconds before a bright yellow book popped out at me. everything in it is preparing me for the next step in my life.
things just happen the way they are suppose to, that is the soul to me. everything right now is pointing in one direction, all the people and things in my life come out of the intention.
if you suffered from a bad childhood, it's never too late to change and grow. that's the soul
i gotta go now, i'll be back later
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That's not the soul silly. That's life. We choose how to view it. Take everything as something you need or as a problem. You were looking for something to feed your beliefs and you found it of course. Had that book not done it you would have forgot that "failure" and moved on until you could focus on something that did feed your beliefs. That's your brain at work. The sole is the thing that protects your feet on the way to the library.
Why are people so invested in magical thinking; that's the real question here.
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Re: Soul as parasite [Re: Icelander]
#7577476 - 10/30/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kiss a and you will understand.
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Are you flirting with me again?
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