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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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does the future exist?
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not yet says i.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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There is only now, and there will always only be now. As Eckhart Tolle said: "Nothing ever happened in the past or future."


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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yes


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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A related question: do things that we see far away exist in the present, or only in the past when their lightwaves were emitted?

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Rhizoid]
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our perception exists, but it may not be real or accurate.
in the inevitable future,
what we cannot predict will occur as well as what we can predict.
many things hold their form predictably.
that does not make them more or less real before they can be directly experienced.

what we will experience in some future time depends a lot on where we will be standing, which depends quite a bit on where we are standing or sitting right now.

when we perceive that experience it will be existing,
when we perceive the prediction of it, the prediction exists.


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I mentioned it because according to Einstein's theory of relativity, what one observer claims is the present may be in the past of another observer, and in the future of a third. Even when all three observers are chatting with each other in the same place and at the same moment. The only condition is that the stuff that these three observers disagree about must be outside of their shared light-cone (which implies "far away" since light travels so fast).

We can predict the state of things that are outside our light-cone to a degree, since much of it is influenced by events that are within our own past light-cone. But it is also influenced by events that are unknowable for us. So in a sense, the distant present is more unpredictable than the future within our own light-cone.

As for the original question my answer is this: various futures exist subject to various conditions, and it's impossible to predict exactly which conditions will be true and which ones will not. Even the existence of "the" present is conditional: the present moment that I experienced an hour ago was conditioned on immediate causes that are absent in this present moment which I am experiencing as I am writing this. Both exist conditionally, just like everything else that exists, but the conditions are different.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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I'll let you know tomorrow.


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Tomorrow never really arrives. Tomorrow ends up being today. So I'm going have to say no.


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"Love is what we are born with. Fear is what we have learned here. The spiritual journey is the unlearning of fear and the acceptance of love back into our hearts."
:hippie:

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Rhizoid]
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the totality is the same accross any three times (with different relationships between some of the parts of the totality - a few of which we can point out and discuss)
maybe the question is, "is totality a thing of more than one time?"

some parts of totality are not in our sensory range and only a few fit in our limited context for modelling. Some that expired will soon become detectible as wakes after some distant action.

as for 3 conversing beings existing in 3 different times at the same time I think that stretches the meaning of "same time". but it may be consistent with the meaning of conversation.


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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Well I know pretty much everyone will disagree with me...but yes, the future does exist only not at this time. To someone outside of time, the future and past exist.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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The future is a concept. No?

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
Well I know pretty much everyone will disagree with me...but yes, the future does exist only not at this time. To someone outside of time, the future and past exist.


Experience does exist outside of time.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: fireworks_god]
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But that doesn't mean that the past and future exist. :lol:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:To someone outside of time, the future and past exist.


I am not extremely well studied in physics, but as far as I know, this is a meaningless statement, as it is not possible to exist independently of time.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Rhizoid]
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Rhizoid said:
I mentioned it because according to Einstein's theory of relativity, what one observer claims is the present may be in the past of another observer, and in the future of a third. Even when all three observers are chatting with each other in the same place and at the same moment. The only condition is that the stuff that these three observers disagree about must be outside of their shared light-cone (which implies "far away" since light travels so fast).


All this states is that three distinct observers perceive phenomenon differently, due to the nature of space/time. The eternal, present moment still exists. Within that moment, one person observes a phenomenon, and another observe hasn't yet observed it. "Past" and "future" are simply mental constructs.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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yeah i mean, it's all today.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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Someone once asked me if I've lived in Florida my whole life.

I answered: "not yet".


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
Quote:
trendal said:To someone outside of time, the future and past exist.


I am not extremely well studied in physics, but as far as I know, this is a meaningless statement, as it is not possible to exist independently of time.


Perhaps I should have used "space-time" instead of just "time" :wink:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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yeah
in a dimension which that accommodates time as randomly as ours accommodates length and height and width, many time extents and directions are simultaneously available.
ours may be inside of that type of dimension.
the dynamics of it are very difficult to discuss.
we have no good way of seeing time that runs in directions as variable as a sphere.


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: rubixcubies]
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Quote:
am not extremely well studied in physics, but as far as I know, this is a meaningless statement, as it is not possible to exist independently of time.



Physics is just a model, a practical model, but one that is continually being proved wrong. Quantum physics and mechanics is so far flawless but sooner or later flaws will be shown. Unless a model is based upon strict axioms (e.g. fundamental systems of logics such as maths), it will NEVER fit perfectly into reality, human intellect, creativity and understanding simply are not good enough to construct such a model. LET ALONE human perception and interpretation accurate or real enough. All judgments drawn about the nature of reality come through our own perception of it, either directly or indirectly. Now if under these circumstances we cannot come close complete understanding then how cans such a statement as 'as it is not possible to exist independently of time' possibly be credible beyond the current model of our physical reality, which is in my opinion limited to the infinite degree. Of course time itself may very well just me a human model…

Does time exist? Does the present exist? Does the future exist? I don't know and neither does any quantum mechanic playing with strings and calculus. "What is" is an endless concept, enjoy it, consider it, ponder it, but never assume you have grasped it because you have not. That is how i look at things anyway :laugh:


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"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses. " ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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