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OfflineRob_K
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the distant future
    #1612414 - 06/05/03 07:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

This may not be too spiritual or philosophical, but it is just a question I keep arriving at in my head.. First I need to lay out a few assumptions/facts:

1) Humans will still exist in, say, 10,000 years.

2) The growth of our vast collective knowledge will continue

3) Humans will continue to be interested in their surroundings

Ok, think about this.. what happens if we get to a stage where we know so much about the universe, the possibilities and boundries of science and philosophy, the pinnacle of literary and musical art, that it becomes imposssible to learn in a single lifetime enough to obtain a deep understanding of what has gone before and to further that knowledge or work with new ideas.

Sorry, that was a really badly constructed sentence but I hope it kind of makes sense. I'll rephrase.. I've calculated that the average human, from the age of 12 to 80 is awake for around 350400 hours. What if we get to a point where that isn't long enough to learn everything that has become known about the world?

Think it could happen? if so, what will be the consequence? Am I losing it?


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Re: the distant future [Re: Rob_K]
    #1612427 - 06/05/03 07:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

that it becomes imposssible to learn in a single lifetime enough to obtain a deep understanding of what has gone before and to further that knowledge or work with new ideas.

we've already reached this state



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Re: the distant future [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1612457 - 06/05/03 07:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Humans will still exist in, say, 10,000 years.




Humans will be lucky to survive another 100 years.

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that it becomes imposssible to learn in a single lifetime enough to obtain a deep understanding of what has gone before and to further that knowledge or work with new ideas.




Well we are reborn again and again and again and again even though you may not conciously remember what you have learnt in past lives it dosent mean the info not still there somewhere in you mind. There will come a point where everything will make sence and a deeper understanding of the universe can be made.



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Re: the distant future [Re: Rob_K]
    #1612484 - 06/05/03 07:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps the new knowledge will make the old knowledge obsolete. Some kind of grand unified theory.

Or, perhaps we will be able to download information like in "The Matrix", which would be nice.

And anyway, in 10,000 years "we" won't exist. Homo Sapiens I mean. We will be a whole new kind of animal.


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Re: the distant future [Re: Revelation]
    #1612515 - 06/05/03 08:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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And anyway, in 10,000 years "we" won't exist. Homo Sapiens I mean. We will be a whole new kind of animal.





Homo Sapiens wont evloved within 10,000 Homo sapiens will all be dead within 100.

Tha matrix idea is cool though as soon as your 16 you could download the entire human libary into your brain.


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Re: the distant future [Re: EvilGir]
    #1612794 - 06/05/03 09:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

or maybe there would be a way to keep cloning your self and tranfer consciousness. and what in the hell makes you so sure that we will all be dead in 100 years you cant see the future i hate it when people think they know the absolute truth about the future. its impossible to know the future crazy prophets...

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Re: the distant future [Re: blaze2]
    #1613225 - 06/05/03 11:59 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I agree blaze2. I think the human species will likely never all die. Even in the event of a nuclear war, or asteriod/comet impact, a viable number of humans would survive and repopulate the species. The only I can see that would kill us all is the complete destruction of planet Earth. Even then we would have to have little warning. If we had at least I say 10 years or so warning, we would likely be able to construct another habitat in space or Mars.


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Re: the distant future [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1613232 - 06/06/03 12:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Oh and yes we have already reached this point in civilization. Can you tell me the entire history of human knowledge? You can't even come close.


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Re: the distant future [Re: Rob_K]
    #1613419 - 06/06/03 01:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. In 10,000 years humans will no longer exist as we know ourselves today. Also, we are going to need to find something infinitely more substantial than just MORE and MORE knowledge if we are going to make it 10,000 years down the road. I't feels right to say that information may likely come to and end long before our species.


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Re: the distant future [Re: Golden]
    #1613491 - 06/06/03 01:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

information never "comes to an end" where did you get that notion. even if we stop needing more(which wont happen since there is always something new to learn out there) then there will still be information. kinda like if the tree falls with no one around it still makes a sound proverb. the information is still there the ? is wheather or not we will still record it...

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Re: the distant future [Re: Rob_K]
    #1613521 - 06/06/03 01:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Tecnikly, we have allready reached this point. Someone would have to go to school their whole lives to learn, and they might not be able to grasp all the concepts. They still would die not knowing a fraction of what humanity collectively knows.

Our life span would be a lot longer if the human race would exist for another 10,000 years. We could almost be immortal.

I think we would evolve too, but Rob spefikly says Human Race:tongue:


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Re: the distant future [Re: Murex]
    #1613880 - 06/06/03 04:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

evolution takes much longer than 10,000 years to make a signifigent difference. but with all the genetic shit going on right now i wouldnt be surprised if we made ourselfs "evolve". i hope there is something after this life so i can check out how things go down in 10000 years that would be awesome.

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Re: the distant future [Re: blaze2]
    #1613974 - 06/06/03 05:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>a viable number of humans would survive and repopulate the species
Damn lucky bastards ! nothing to do but procreate "for the sake of the
species"  :grin: 


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Re: the distant future [Re: lucid]
    #1614068 - 06/06/03 07:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The definition of human (www.dictionary.com):
1. n. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.

Ok so we might have evolved a bit in 10,000 years but we will still be, in essence, human. The number 10,000 is just an arbitrary figure which I gave as an example..

Your answers are all quite interesting and given me some new angles but I'm going to focus on something a few of you have said.. That we have already reached the point where we cannot learn anything new in time for our own death.. It is patently not true that we can no longer further our knowldge because people are making new discoveries every day, a lot of which most of us will never even hear about. I suppose I made a mistake in using the phrase "that isn't long enough to learn everything that has become known about the world." Of course no one will ever be able to know "everything," there are always specialists furthering knowledge within their particular field.

If you look 100 or so years into the future, there will be very few people alive who are alive today. All these developments have to be re-learnt in order for human knowledge to ultimately be furthered, otherwise we are just re-treading old ground. We are relying on the intelligence of people who have not yet been born. What if an entire generation happens to not be up to the challenge? Will everything be lost? Will we be fucked?


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Re: the distant future [Re: Rob_K]
    #1614083 - 06/06/03 08:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

gotta read some sci fi...
olaf stapledon
james blish
cordawiner smith
poul anderson
robert forward
isaac asimov
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plenty more writers who have mentally explored humaniy's future (often much further than a mere 10,000 years...)


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Re: the distant future [Re: gnrm23]
    #1614116 - 06/06/03 08:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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and what in the hell makes you so sure that we will all be dead in 100 years you cant see the future 




Well dont know about you but i will be 126  :grin:
But seriously mathamaticle models can produces ideas as to what may happen, Stuff like fossil fuels will soon be gone, overpopulation will cause food shortages world wide as there simple will not be enough resources to sustain life on the planet.
Then there floodin because the ice caps are melting, then there the threat of nuclear war, viruses and other crazy stuff. But extinction isnt all that bad anyway its just a clensing of the planet. It is possible just go and try and find the dinosaurs. Also I think that to evolve we need to leave the physical plane any way so the race will die out in the end. We simply can not exist as physical beings forever.


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