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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6975613 -

I'm sorry, but I haven't exactly been following this discussion in the first place. :smirk:

Could you summarize, perhaps, what you are on about?


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: Icelander]
    #6975650 -

Quote:
I don't like a lot of it and think it's meaningless, but others must think it's valuable. Who is correct?



They are.


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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Feel free to be as tedious as you desire. We choose who we are.


You just took the wind out of his sails. :lol:


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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6975684 -

All you have to do is answer the question and it will be explained.

First instance:
There is a thread in this forum that about philisophical discussion of god that has transcended the question of his existance. An athiest joins the conversation and says "prove god Exists".

second:
There is another thread that is debating the benefits of vegetarianism in human diet that has transcended that the assumption that we exist on this planet. Someone who doesnt think anything exists jumps in and states that there is no proof of existance, so everything said is fallacy.

Pertaining to the rules of this forum, which of these is an infraction?

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6975695 -

Might be time to start a new thread if your attempting to derail it to that extent.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
fireworks_god said:
Feel free to be as tedious as you desire. We choose who we are.


You just took the wind out of his sails. :lol:


Keep laughing because that is exactly my point. In both instances we are being tedious, and are generally not enhancing the conversation in any way.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #6975705 -

Are you kidding me? Its still on topic,it has just evolved.

on a side note, this thread was practically dead before i joined in.

Edited by daytripper23 (05/27/07 11:12 PM)

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6975776 -

daytripper23 said:
on a side note, this thread was practically dead before i joined in.


And Jesus, upon approaching the town, heard a woman wailing and mourning. "Whuddup bitch?" he inquired. "Oh kindly stranger, this beloved thread has died an untimely death." "Dry dem tears ho' and stand aside!"

Lo and behold, Jesus spake, "Thread, I command you to rise again in the name of The Almighty."

Slowly the thread rose as if from a coma. "Where the fuck am I?" it responded staggering around dizzily.

Jesus respake, "You are in P&S, now go on about yer bidness."

A murmur ran among the gathering crowd. "Hey, that Nigga got him sum MoJo - dats fo sho'."

And then Jesus said, "Later dudes!" and rode off to OTD to help another.

Amen.


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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6975806 -

:lol:

Gee wiz you flatter me.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6975849 -

You can argue that it has evolved, I'd literally have to see the argument the basis for it, and the specifics of the situation to determine whether or not it was a simple evolution of an idea, or ultimately a sidetracked comment that took over.

Go to the otd... you'lll see lots of this, evolution. Just because its the end result of the conversation doesn't detract from the fact that its derailing a thread, such as this, and Oregone's Jebus commentary.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
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First instance:
There is a thread in this forum that about philosophical discussion of god that has transcended the question of his existence. An atheist joins the conversation and says "prove god Exists".

This is disingenuous.

In any philosophic discussion where the concept of God is even tangentially relevant, the question of his existence necessarily becomes central to the discussion. This is necessary because the direction of any discussion however minimally involving God is a function of whether or not God exists.

second:
There is another thread that is debating the benefits of vegetarianism in human diet that has transcended that the assumption that we exist on this planet. Someone who doesn't think anything exists jumps in and states that there is no proof of existence, so everything said is fallacy.

Again you're being disingenuous. To make this second example analogous to the first, you would have to be discussing hypothetical edible plants that grow on another planet, for example.

That context is similar to your first example where discussing vegetarianism tangentially brings in the concept of whether or not a particular edible plant exists. The debate about vegetarianism now necessarily is also a debate about the existence of the hypothetical plant.

See my point? You can't discuss anything slightly involving God without discussing God's existence, and this will not change until knowledge of God existence is known with some certainty. At that point, it can be assumed that everyone participating in the discussion is in agreement on God's existence and bringing up the issue is off topic. Kinda like someone trying to debate the existence of water in a debate about biology.

Water exists. We all agree. God may or may not exist. We far from agree.

If you want to discuss God in the context of a certainty that he exists, then discuss it in the mumbo jumbo forum one isle over. No one will descent which I think is what you're looking for.

So basically your saying that nothing has been accomplished through religious thought?

Oh no, I would never claim that. Religious thought has brought us beautiful cathedrals, torture, wars, and child molestation.

Nothing else of consequence, but sure those four are a pretty impressive accomplishments. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: Diploid]
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In any philosophic discussion where the concept of God is even tangentially relevant, the question of his existence necessarily becomes central to the discussion. This is necessary because the direction of any discussion however minimally involving God is a function of whether or not God exists.

I think most thiests would disagree. This may be your view of it, and it makes sense to adopt this attitude if you dont believe. Religious thought may rely on this assumption, but this does not mean that all religious thought is an elaborate debate of God's existance. Religion is built upon the assumption.

you would have to be discussing hypothetical edible plants that grow on another planet, for example.


Everything around us could be an elaborate play. The existance of this computer i am typing on is by no means definitive. All of what we sense, is just as hypothetical as God from this perspective. It is the valid basis of Hindu thought. Im not trying to be difficult for the sake of argument. I very much buy into this philosophy.

Water exists. We all agree.

Not I. That is an assumption.

If you want to discuss God in the context of a certainty that he exists, then discuss it in the mumbo jumbo forum one isle over. No one will descent I think is what you're looking for.

Everything and anything is mumbo jumbo. You get what im saying? Imagine if you were discussing plato's republic, and i jumped in and said Plato and everything used in his concepts doesnt and didnt ever exist! I could say it to essentially anything you say. The existance of god, jesus, cheetohs and plants is not definitive.

Religious thought has brought us beautiful cathedrals, torture, wars, and child molestation.

Nothing else of consequence, but sure those four are a pretty impressive accomplishments.

What about St. Thomas Aquainous?

My point is, if someone is trying to elaborate on Plato, it would be very unproductive for the conversation to demand proof of the existance of the world. If someone is trying to elaborate on god, and is not particularly discussing whether he exists or not, it is just as cumbersome to the discussion to demand proof of his existance. This is all I am trying to say.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
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Religion is built upon the assumption.

I agree.

But what you're missing is that this forum is built upon questioning assumptions. If you don't like that, MRP. :shrug:

Everything around us could be an elaborate play.

You're missing my point.

When discussing the nature of an ocean, it is possible that neither oceans nor water exist. This is possible, yes. But unless you're discussing epistemology, everyone generally agrees that water does exist even though we tacitly acknowledge that there is a possibility it does not. And so bringing up the issue of water's existence in a debate about oceans (not epistemology) is off topic.

Meanwhile, not everyone agrees that God exists and among those who believe he does, there is disagreement about his nature. And so in a debate about anything involving God, bringing up the issue of his existence is apropos.

If someone is trying to elaborate on god, and is not particularly discussing whether he exists or not, it is just as cumbersome to the discussion to demand proof of his existance.

In this forum, you're wrong. In MRP, you're right.

This debate is not new. It has been hashed out here many times long before you got here. It's the very reason MRP exists. That should clue you in.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6977255 -

I believe there could be a middle ground between the overly logical but concrete philosophy forum, and the poetic yet overly sensitive mysticism forum. But alas...

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6977293 -

Oh great. Let's just create a THIRD forum to please those who want to do philosophy with a thin skin but who are averse to a forum for uncritiqued discussion of mumbo jumbo like the FSM, UFOs, levitation, and God.

I don't think so. :thumbdown:

Either put up with your ideas being critiqued or post them where they won't be. It's simple.

Edit: and WTF does overly-logical mean? That's like overly-truthfull. :rofl2:

Edited by Diploid (05/28/07 11:08 AM)

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: Diploid]
    #6977389 -

wow i thought we were going to end on a civil note for once diploid.

first of all I did not propose any such third forum. I was speaking generally, more hoping and wishing, concerning outside the universe of shroomery forums. Maybe hoping that someone like me and and like you could get along.


Either put up with your ideas being critiqued or post them where they won't be. It's simple.

Black or white. how about some color?

Edit: and WTF does overly-logical mean? That's like overly-truthfull.

yea its like it. Im sorry you cant see the difference. By overly logical i meant the tendency and need to quantify and define everything. Maybe to you thats all that truth is. Personally I am into art, music and transcendence, as well as logic. I seek to combine abstraction with form.

Edited by daytripper23 (05/28/07 11:28 AM)

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6977398 -

So damn those Psychics and stuff.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Bad news for profit-seeking psychics [Re: daytripper23]
    #6978237 -

By overly logical i meant the tendency and need to quantify and define everything.

That's one of the guiding principles of this forum. And people complaining about exactly that is was gave rise to MRP. Why is that so hard to get?

Maybe to you thats all that truth is. Personally I am into art, music and transcendence, as well as logic. I seek to combine abstraction with form.

Logic does not deny any of that, rather logic is required for all of that. Even the concept of causality is a logical one and you can't create a painting (effect) unless you first put paint to canvas (cause).

Logic is everywhere, even if it's hard to see.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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