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Art...what is it and who decides what it is?
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The art world seems like such a scam to me. It seems like another elitist activity. Why is that one painting is nothing while the next is everything? I do enjoy looking at art when I go to museums, but I just don't get why THESE artists are "better" than others.

I watched a show about a year ago on 48 hours or one of those shows where they took a bunch of 5 and 6 year old kids and had them paint and draw shit. Then they brought in "Art experts" and these guys went nuts over the quality of the art produced. But, then when they were told the origin of the art they were looking at, some of them changed their statements and others said that the kids should be artists. Which leads to my question of what is art and who decides what it worth more and what is worthless.

On 60 minutes the other day, they had a similar story of a woman who thinks she might have an undiscovered painting from one of those artists whose paintings look like disasters yet are worth millions of dollars. It's funny how they claim it's not this guys painting because they don't get a 'feeling' inside. HUH? You don't have a feeling in your gut about this one, so its not what she thinks it may be? Yet, this painting looks like every other piece of crap this guy put out. Thank god our justice system, for the most part, is not run like this.

Why do people decide what is better just to elevate themselves over other people. It's fucking art. I can understand why some of the antique works are worth something, just like an antique anything else is. But what makes some of these new artists better than others? I can draw a black square too, doesn't make me an artist anymore than anyone else.

People like this just make me lose more and more interest in what humanity has and is becoming. It depresses me that people can be so shallow and that so much of the middle class mass wants to be just like this elitist culture with their nonsense, ridiculous labels.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
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I was under the impression that most art hanging in museums are there because the artist broke some new ground.

The first person to do this or that technique..or show some new perspective.

However I hear what your saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't think paintings are quite as subjective as say music or sculpture for example. That is just my opinion though and no one is willing to pay me for it..lol.

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
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I can draw a black square too...


I will start the bidding at $5,000.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
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What is art. Anything, depending on how you look at it, anything can be an art. Cooking is an art, talking can be art, too. Originality breaks new ground in art. Not everyone likes the same food. Preference is key.

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
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I have a book called Blink. It explains how almost all of our assessments are made instaneously long before our conscious mind can come to terms with it, citing several studies.

On the subject of art, some people found a statue, were very excited, were going to buy it from a museum for quite a hefty price, some woman blurted out I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT

and she didn't know why

but her comments led to an extensive investigation (because everyone else had already agreed the sculpture was legit) that eventually proved it a fraud.

They can measure the success of relationships by videotaping these miniscule facial responses between two people, and that all this is more important than the words exchanged, etc.....

art is heArt if it touches there, then it is. if it is made from there, then it is. If it is made from other places with other motives then it can have the merit of conveying certain emotions though.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: leery11]
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I'm pretty unimpressed with the elite art world myself; I'm much more into DIY. Anybody can create a work of beauty.

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I will start the bidding at $5,000.


Exactly. It is worth what it is and it is elevated to the status it is because there are people who are willing to pay that much and people who convey that much interest in it. There are no formulaic rules or guidelines that apply here. Anyone who has ever seen The Simpsons where Homer attempts to build a backyard barbeque pit will appreciate the thought in relation to this thread. :smirk:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: leery11]
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I agree with you all that art is different to everyone. I do enjoy art myself, though mostly in the form of playing/listening to music, cooking, and writing/reading. In fact, I will usually never put down art, and I hope I wasn't doing so in my rant above. I see that art/music/food/words are different to everyone. Just look at the jam band culture and how many different styles and preferences there are.

The point that I was trying to make is that the elitist culture around art is retarded. Who is to say that the one of a kind sculpture that I picked up from a local artist isn't worth 50,000,000 dollars just like the unique one of a kind sculpture made by a "famous" artist. I shouldn't have used the museum as an example either, as most art in museums is there because, as someone stated earlier, they made a change in art. However, when you look at the number of impressionist artists out there today, what makes one better than another, when it seems that so many of them paint so similarly (as the style is called impressionist). It seems that until an elitist or an "art collector" decides to start purchasing an artists work, they are just your standard broke as hell artist.

I am a big, big fan of music and listen to many styles and genres. There are a couple that I can't and I won't put all but two down. I can't stand country. Is there some good original music? Yes. Are there some good artists? Yes, but I still don't like country. But now to the point of my black square. ANYONE can draw a black square on a fucking canvas. Not everyone could paint the Mona Lisa. I like and respect R&B and hip hop. I don't like and listen to all of it, but there is some damn good, original shit out there. cRap and Pop are two forms of music that some consider original art. To me, they are as far from original art as anything. As Ashley Simpson and others have been so kind to show us, you don't even need to have singing or writing talent to make it as a pop artist today. And on rap, I share the Ox's view:

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I can't stand rap....people who can't sing do rap....you can sing rebellion as well as talk it....Hitler would have been in a rap band.


John Entwistle


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^^^The above matter may be a complete fantasy that I concocted out of possible boredom.^^^


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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I can draw a black square too...


I will start the bidding at $5,000.


Does a single bid make a purchase ? :grin:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Say I put some art out and slap a $5000 price tag on it. It may not be worth $5000 to me or you or someone else, but there's always that one person with plenty of money to burn who might think its worth the minor annoyance of spending $5000. And that's why the elite "art world" exists. In fact, when you overprice things, it can tend to make people overvalue them. This is why people tend to pay so much attention to branding when it comes to purchasing status symbols like fancy cars or clothing.

I personally find the fine art world mostly ridiculous. I used to work in the studio of a ceramics artist whose sculpture prices STARTED at $2000. The range was from $2000 for the tiny desktop pieces to $50k+ for the 4-5' tall sculptures. I never could understand why anyone found them worth paying that much for. They were all pretty much the same shape, the only difference was the simple pattern painted on them. He sells them like fucking crazy.

Art is subjective though, and that's the great thing about it (at least from the art seller's standpoint). You might look at something and think "eh, not worth it". But the guy next to you might think its the best thing since sliced bread, that it would go PERFECT above the mantle in front of his ivory pool table in the recreation room, and that $5000 is a STEAL.

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? *DELETED* [Re: trippindad82]
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
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we could agree that putting $$$$ on art takes the integrity away ? I tried to make a thread about this yesterday but it was very mopey and cynical.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
if everything was art what would
be the point?--its supposed to transcend us from other activities.


Thats really it I think. Great art (subjective of course) is supposed to transcend ordinary life..present beauty and shake you out of the doldrums.

It should thrust you into the sublime in some way..once again no one has paid me for my opinion.

Oh and yeah I can't stand country music either. Something we can agree on for sure.

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Boaz]
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Truly Great art is hardly ever recognised within the lifetime of the creator. So money has nothing or little to do with great art.

>Art...what is it and who decides what it is?

The worth and value of some things are simply obvious to the human race. There is an underlying goodness in human existance and sometimes this can be touched on in a very profound way in music and visual arts.

IMO great art says something about humanity and the human condition. So that's what I call art, if it speaks to you on another level, it's art.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: dorkus]
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Awesome post :thumbup:

Art & drugs :yinyang:


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All this time I've missed you
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I am selling paintings, not briskly, but regularly
not yet at 5K$ though some say I am way too cheap.
maybe I need to die?
death is so relavent to the art establishment.
one does what they can.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Please don't die for your art
I like having you around
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
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trippindad82 said:
I watched a show about a year ago on 48 hours or one of those shows where they took a bunch of 5 and 6 year old kids and had them paint and draw shit. Then they brought in "Art experts" and these guys went nuts over the quality of the art produced. But, then when they were told the origin of the art they were looking at, some of them changed their statements and others said that the kids should be artists. Which leads to my question of what is art and who decides what it worth more and what is worthless.


I saw basically the same idea of the show, but it was a monkey that made the pictures....
The people were saying how brilliant the art was, and they were guessing how it must be from this person, or that....
And oh, it was worth $xx,xxx, or more depending upon who the exact artist was....
When they revealed that it was a monkey that made the painting, they were no longer interested, and of course, red faced.... :blush:

:lol:
Stuffy people suck....    :thumbdown:




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Thank god our justice system, for the most part, is not run like this.


Are you saying that "better" people don't get special treatment from the justice system when they get busted in crime....?  :wink:


>^;;^<


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Quote:
I saw basically the same idea of the show, but it was a monkey that made the pictures....
The people were saying how brilliant the art was, and they were guessing how it must be from this person, or that....
And oh, it was worth $xx,xxx, or more depending upon who the exact artist was....
When they revealed that it was a monkey that made the painting, they were no longer interested, and of course, red faced.... :blush:

:lol:
Stuffy people suck.... :thumbdown:




I dare you to insult Mr. Monkey and his agent is going to make you pay for his image :rofl:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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