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Art...what is it and who decides what it is?
    #6897061 - 05/10/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The art world seems like such a scam to me. It seems like another elitist activity. Why is that one painting is nothing while the next is everything? I do enjoy looking at art when I go to museums, but I just don't get why THESE artists are "better" than others.

I watched a show about a year ago on 48 hours or one of those shows where they took a bunch of 5 and 6 year old kids and had them paint and draw shit. Then they brought in "Art experts" and these guys went nuts over the quality of the art produced. But, then when they were told the origin of the art they were looking at, some of them changed their statements and others said that the kids should be artists. Which leads to my question of what is art and who decides what it worth more and what is worthless.

On 60 minutes the other day, they had a similar story of a woman who thinks she might have an undiscovered painting from one of those artists whose paintings look like disasters yet are worth millions of dollars. It's funny how they claim it's not this guys painting because they don't get a 'feeling' inside. HUH? You don't have a feeling in your gut about this one, so its not what she thinks it may be? Yet, this painting looks like every other piece of crap this guy put out. Thank god our justice system, for the most part, is not run like this.

Why do people decide what is better just to elevate themselves over other people. It's fucking art. I can understand why some of the antique works are worth something, just like an antique anything else is. But what makes some of these new artists better than others? I can draw a black square too, doesn't make me an artist anymore than anyone else.

People like this just make me lose more and more interest in what humanity has and is becoming. It depresses me that people can be so shallow and that so much of the middle class mass wants to be just like this elitist culture with their nonsense, ridiculous labels.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
    #6897100 - 05/10/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I was under the impression that most art hanging in museums are there because the artist broke some new ground.

The first person to do this or that technique..or show some new perspective.

However I hear what your saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't think paintings are quite as subjective as say music or sculpture for example. That is just my opinion though and no one is willing to pay me for it..lol.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
    #6897113 - 05/10/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I can draw a black square too...




I will start the bidding at $5,000.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
    #6897307 - 05/10/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What is art. Anything, depending on how you look at it, anything can be an art. Cooking is an art, talking can be art, too. Originality breaks new ground in art. Not everyone likes the same food. Preference is key.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #6897333 - 05/10/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I have a book called Blink. It explains how almost all of our assessments are made instaneously long before our conscious mind can come to terms with it, citing several studies.

On the subject of art, some people found a statue, were very excited, were going to buy it from a museum for quite a hefty price, some woman blurted out I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT

and she didn't know why

but her comments led to an extensive investigation (because everyone else had already agreed the sculpture was legit) that eventually proved it a fraud.

They can measure the success of relationships by videotaping these miniscule facial responses between two people, and that all this is more important than the words exchanged, etc.....

art is heArt if it touches there, then it is. if it is made from there, then it is. If it is made from other places with other motives then it can have the merit of conveying certain emotions though.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: leery11]
    #6897362 - 05/10/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I'm pretty unimpressed with the elite art world myself; I'm much more into DIY. Anybody can create a work of beauty.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6897367 - 05/10/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I will start the bidding at $5,000.




Exactly. It is worth what it is and it is elevated to the status it is because there are people who are willing to pay that much and people who convey that much interest in it. There are no formulaic rules or guidelines that apply here. Anyone who has ever seen The Simpsons where Homer attempts to build a backyard barbeque pit will appreciate the thought in relation to this thread. :smirk:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: leery11]
    #6897397 - 05/10/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with you all that art is different to everyone. I do enjoy art myself, though mostly in the form of playing/listening to music, cooking, and writing/reading. In fact, I will usually never put down art, and I hope I wasn't doing so in my rant above. I see that art/music/food/words are different to everyone. Just look at the jam band culture and how many different styles and preferences there are.

The point that I was trying to make is that the elitist culture around art is retarded. Who is to say that the one of a kind sculpture that I picked up from a local artist isn't worth 50,000,000 dollars just like the unique one of a kind sculpture made by a "famous" artist. I shouldn't have used the museum as an example either, as most art in museums is there because, as someone stated earlier, they made a change in art. However, when you look at the number of impressionist artists out there today, what makes one better than another, when it seems that so many of them paint so similarly (as the style is called impressionist). It seems that until an elitist or an "art collector" decides to start purchasing an artists work, they are just your standard broke as hell artist.

I am a big, big fan of music and listen to many styles and genres. There are a couple that I can't and I won't put all but two down. I can't stand country. Is there some good original music? Yes. Are there some good artists? Yes, but I still don't like country. But now to the point of my black square. ANYONE can draw a black square on a fucking canvas. Not everyone could paint the Mona Lisa. I like and respect R&B and hip hop. I don't like and listen to all of it, but there is some damn good, original shit out there. cRap and Pop are two forms of music that some consider original art. To me, they are as far from original art as anything. As Ashley Simpson and others have been so kind to show us, you don't even need to have singing or writing talent to make it as a pop artist today. And on rap, I share the Ox's view:

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I can't stand rap....people who can't sing do rap....you can sing rebellion as well as talk it....Hitler would have been in a rap band.



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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #6897457 - 05/10/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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I can draw a black square too...




I will start the bidding at $5,000.



Does a single bid make a purchase ? :grin:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #6897508 - 05/10/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Say I put some art out and slap a $5000 price tag on it. It may not be worth $5000 to me or you or someone else, but there's always that one person with plenty of money to burn who might think its worth the minor annoyance of spending $5000. And that's why the elite "art world" exists. In fact, when you overprice things, it can tend to make people overvalue them. This is why people tend to pay so much attention to branding when it comes to purchasing status symbols like fancy cars or clothing.

I personally find the fine art world mostly ridiculous. I used to work in the studio of a ceramics artist whose sculpture prices STARTED at $2000. The range was from $2000 for the tiny desktop pieces to $50k+ for the 4-5' tall sculptures. I never could understand why anyone found them worth paying that much for. They were all pretty much the same shape, the only difference was the simple pattern painted on them. He sells them like fucking crazy.

Art is subjective though, and that's the great thing about it (at least from the art seller's standpoint). You might look at something and think "eh, not worth it". But the guy next to you might think its the best thing since sliced bread, that it would go PERFECT above the mantle in front of his ivory pool table in the recreation room, and that $5000 is a STEAL.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
    #6897571 - 05/10/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

One theory of art (the institutional theory) is that the artworld
defines, creates, upholds, validates art in its contexts, purpose and
meaning. This is a broad theory and it seems like one must agree with
it to some length unless one proposes an objective value of art.

Perhaps what you're upset about is that the art institution snobbishly
legislates what is good and bad art, what is art and what is not.
Some people says the critics decide, some people say the artists, but
as with any culture, it is hegemonic--if everything was art what would
be the point?--its supposed to transcend us from other activities.

Art depends on context. To understand art you must also understand
the institution--as with any culture you must be embedded to grasp it.
All those hippies that said just let the music play and they will come
and everyone will be happy were very wrong. There is no culturally free
music and there is no culturally free art. Defending an objectivist standpoint
on aesthetics is no almost impossible without fully ignoring the empriri.

Have you ever studied art though? Or spent a lot of time in an art exhibit?
To understand you must study. But the context is important. If van Gogh
sat in the garbage dump it would be garbage but since it's on exhibit
it gets treated differently. Museums and exhibition rooms have both
bad and good sides: they let us recognize art and give us a room to
interpret it in (the space is part of the aesthetic experience), but
they also make us dull to certain aspects of why the art on exhibit is
there in the first place.

One time at an art exhibit I sat on the floor and moved about the main
room for several hours observing, exploring and analyzing the paintings
with two friends. During that time many people came in the room, many
of them were family people, and rushed in with their tickets and their
brochures and their human luggage (wife, husband, kids...) looked at
each painting for only as long as their eyes fell upon them as they
walked quickly by and went on into an adjacent room and then left the
museum. They obviously didn't give the art time, and probably don't
even like art very much, but they also ignorantly support the institution
of art by going to the museum (because it was in their guidebook or
wherever they found out about it) and gave it a peek just to check it
off the day's tour list. In one of the poorly lit side rooms to this
exhibit was a project made my local school children. It was kind of
weird (wires and thick green colors going out of a board)--something of
a cross between a science experiment and art. One of my friends and I
commented how stuck up we were to just treat it like junk. It seems
part of it is also that it was collectively done, by non-professionals,
and our society is not very good at rewarding collective work and non-
professionals. Anyhow after this I went in the other room and sat on
one of the chairs which was actually not for sitting in, but a piece of
art, and nearly broke it.

Another story: my friend had put his art on exhibit in a building where
his city had cultural exhibitions and events. I think the library was
there too. He hung hammers by wire from the bottom of his painting
(which was very obscene and in a place where children were walking by)
and wrote on a piece of paper that the painting should be destroyed.
However, everyone just looked at it as if the hammers were part of the
statement. So the meaning of his artwork changed because of how the
museum public is indoctrinated. There were however a few hiphop kids
(about twenty years old) that picked up the hammers, looked at him, and
smiled while pretending to destroy the painting.

But what makes some of these new artists better than others?

Tradition and how one manipulates that tradition--a play of breaking
and upholding rules. Taste and creativity are walking that wasteland in
the right way at the right time. As Boaz says, art is in the museum
because it sometimes broke ground...but that's a circular argument
if you don't consider that the ground being broken correlates to
the tradition of art.



For the next time you trip (LSD might be best), if you haven't done
it before: Loan some art books (van Gogh, Rembrandt, or whatever
"master" ) from your closest university library, and give them a peek.
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6897773 - 05/10/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

we could agree that putting $$$$ on art takes the integrity away ? I tried to make a thread about this yesterday but it was very mopey and cynical.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6897975 - 05/10/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Lakefingers said:
if everything was art what would
be the point?--its supposed to transcend us from other activities.


Thats really it I think. Great art (subjective of course) is supposed to transcend ordinary life..present beauty and shake you out of the doldrums.

It should thrust you into the sublime in some way..once again no one has paid me for my opinion.

Oh and yeah I can't stand country music either. Something we can agree on for sure.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Boaz]
    #6898042 - 05/10/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Truly Great art is hardly ever recognised within the lifetime of the creator. So money has nothing or little to do with great art.

>Art...what is it and who decides what it is?

The worth and value of some things are simply obvious to the human race. There is an underlying goodness in human existance and sometimes this can be touched on in a very profound way in music and visual arts.

IMO great art says something about humanity and the human condition. So that's what I call art, if it speaks to you on another level, it's art.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: mr_kite]
    #6898118 - 05/10/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I've been travelling for a while lately, and visited the Dali Universe and all the other museums in London and the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam. VERY stoned of course. Just soaking in the paintings and the colors come out and it is almost as if you enter the headspace of the artist feeling light and childlike. Especially Van Gogh gave me this incredible vibe and the whole room seems filled with his spirit. Dali was darker, heavier for me, but perfect in his own way.

That being said, the art scene seems incredible presumptious, and these know-it-alls fancy suits who never shared a thing in common with the artists themselves writes and critiques and interprets the pieces apart with conceptualizations and adding so many layers of intellectual meaning. They must lose the zen of it all. That's why it's good to be stoned out of your gourd in there. I couldn't even stand upright at the Van Gogh museum, but then again this is Amsterdam. Haha. "The colors! Look at the colors!!" They came out to grab me. I remember one artist in a museum I went to who had made these wonderful paintings to fuck with our concepts and preconceived notions of beauty and that's what it's all about.

Oh, I don't know your definitions of country, but there are some amazing artists out there. If you don't like 'waiting around to die', 'Kathleen' og 'rake' or any other song by Townes Van Zandt, then you should listen to them over and over til you get it. Also Bonnie Prince Billy and Lambchop should enlighten you a bit on the genre. You need to go underground, and not judge a genre on the likes of Alan Jackson or the barbie girls or whatever they're called. Hah!

Sorry for the ramble.

Oh, by the way there were a couple of pranksters who never knew anything about art here in Norway. They made some wacky sculptures of old car parts and stuff and snuck it into a serious exhibition in Oslo. Some of their pieces was declared to be works of genious by the critics and it created quite a furore and scandal when they came clean. So much for "specialists".


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: dorkus]
    #6898219 - 05/10/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome post :thumbup:

Art & drugs :yinyang:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6898330 - 05/10/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I am selling paintings, not briskly, but regularly
not yet at 5K$ though some say I am way too cheap.
maybe I need to die?
death is so relavent to the art establishment.
one does what they can.


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6898497 - 05/10/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Please don't die for your art
I like having you around
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: trippindad82]
    #6898531 - 05/10/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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trippindad82 said:
I watched a show about a year ago on 48 hours or one of those shows where they took a bunch of 5 and 6 year old kids and had them paint and draw shit. Then they brought in "Art experts" and these guys went nuts over the quality of the art produced. But, then when they were told the origin of the art they were looking at, some of them changed their statements and others said that the kids should be artists. Which leads to my question of what is art and who decides what it worth more and what is worthless.




I saw basically the same idea of the show, but it was a monkey that made the pictures....
The people were saying how brilliant the art was, and they were guessing how it must be from this person, or that....
And oh, it was worth $xx,xxx, or more depending upon who the exact artist was....
When they revealed that it was a monkey that made the painting, they were no longer interested, and of course, red faced.... :blush:

:lol:
Stuffy people suck....    :thumbdown:




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Thank god our justice system, for the most part, is not run like this.




Are you saying that "better" people don't get special treatment from the justice system when they get busted in crime....?  :wink:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #6898556 - 05/10/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I saw basically the same idea of the show, but it was a monkey that made the pictures....
The people were saying how brilliant the art was, and they were guessing how it must be from this person, or that....
And oh, it was worth $xx,xxx, or more depending upon who the exact artist was....
When they revealed that it was a monkey that made the painting, they were no longer interested, and of course, red faced.... :blush:

:lol:
Stuffy people suck.... :thumbdown:






I dare you to insult Mr. Monkey and his agent is going to make you pay for his image :rofl:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6898564 - 05/10/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Very distinguishing hat Mr. Monkey has on.... 
From the bling factor, Irish pimp monkey I would presume....

:tongue:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #6898569 - 05/10/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Very distinguishing hat Mr. Monkey has on.... 
From the bling factor, Irish pimp monkey I would presume....

:tongue:


>^;;^<




Being a pimp in Ireland is an Art :lol:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6898708 - 05/10/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I am selling paintings, not briskly, but regularly
not yet at 5K$ though some say I am way too cheap.
maybe I need to die?
death is so relavent to the art establishment.
one does what they can.




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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Boaz]
    #6900911 - 05/11/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

leery11:
I'm not so sure putting a price on art "takes the integrity
away". This might depend how close the artist is the price :smile:, what
we mean by integrity (integrity is not getting paid for art?), and
a few other factors (that's not a very nice word, let's say things for now).

Boaz: I like Greg Brown. Check out "Banjo Moon". It might
not be so bad. Ah, the temporality...
John Zerzan is a proponent of this theory of art: art didn't exist
until around 30,000 years ago when the division of labor arose;
before this everything was in the open, but suddenly things started
to become private and other things suppressed. The only legitimate
way to express what was not to be expressed was through art. So,
art has always been subversive, good art must be radical, and it is
a symptom of a sick culture. Of course, this is very speculative theory,
although it's fun (and I like that it's so polemical).


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: mr_kite]
    #6900918 - 05/11/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
The worth and value of some things are simply obvious to the human race. There is an underlying goodness in human existance and sometimes this can be touched on in a very profound way in music and visual arts.

IMO great art says something about humanity and the human condition. So that's what I call art, if it speaks to you on another level, it's art.




Nothing is obvious without a certain conditioning.

So, does art (even good art) only appeal to what you assume to be
an underlying human goodness?


If there is a human condition how does great art say something about that?
Aren't artists going to run out of ways of approaching that condition?


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: dorkus]
    #6900933 - 05/11/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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dr_mandelbrot said:
That being said, the art scene seems incredible presumptious, and these know-it-alls fancy suits who never shared a thing in common with the artists themselves writes and critiques and interprets the pieces apart with conceptualizations and adding so many layers of intellectual meaning. They must lose the zen of it all. That's why it's good to be stoned out of your gourd in there. I couldn't even stand upright at the Van Gogh museum, but then again this is Amsterdam. Haha. "The colors! Look at the colors!!" They came out to grab me. I remember one artist in a museum I went to who had made these wonderful paintings to fuck with our concepts and preconceived notions of beauty and that's what it's all about.




Same thing as academic philosophy at most institutions. They're workers
and school teachers. They're not philosophers and they want nothing
to do with philosophy. Most things they called philosophy have little
to do with thinking, but are rather inventions of bureaucratic school
teachers that fear open philosophical thinking because it threatens
their working environment, and yes, it is said that philosophy
has been reduced to being taught in working environments. The same goes
for art sciences and literary theory...Of course, there are good
people in certain pockets in these fields that often produce what is
the best art, philosophy, music, literature, but they're unfortunately
exceptions to the rule.

Having creative and intellectual leanings, and having worked in
academia I've found the university structure to be a source of staunch
negativity around certain corners.
I know a girl who was doing her master's in literary studies and she
took time off for two years to study writing. The others at her institution
were irritated, not because she left her job, but because she was becoming
one of those people they study.


van Zandt's alright. I'm been digging Greg Brown as I told Boaz above.
I have one friend that listens to Merle Haggart (just part of his
broad taste in music), which I like, but I should admit I like it for
kitsch value (it conjures an environment and makes me smile at my friend)
and not because I would put it on myself. Otherwise I listen
to most anything, although preferably music with love in it.

Has Henrik Samuelsson ever had any exhibits in your neck of the woods?


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6900942 - 05/11/07 07:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I am selling paintings, not briskly, but regularly
not yet at 5K$ though some say I am way too cheap.
maybe I need to die?
death is so relavent to the art establishment.
one does what they can.




Yeah, it's too cheap. Go up in the eight figure range next time.
It's not like anything under 5K is worth much unless you're
in shortterm debt or are homeless.
Well, death is the absolute point of limitation;
suddenly the artists work's are not growing, but
shrinking (yes, there are other aspects to this).


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6902840 - 05/11/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

A.R.T. is
A Real Thing

fuck up art and create new art,


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6904935 - 05/12/07 02:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
If there is a human condition how does great art say something about that?
Aren't artists going to run out of ways of approaching that condition?




Every person is different and so the ways of approaching art are endless. This is just my interpretation of great art. I find that if it is really interesting and worthwhile then it gives me insights into what it means to be human. ie great music like Beethoven (a great philosopher/composer).


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