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OfflinePhanTomCat
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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6898564 - 05/10/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Very distinguishing hat Mr. Monkey has on.... 
From the bling factor, Irish pimp monkey I would presume....

:tongue:


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #6898569 - 05/10/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Very distinguishing hat Mr. Monkey has on.... 
From the bling factor, Irish pimp monkey I would presume....

:tongue:


>^;;^<




Being a pimp in Ireland is an Art :lol:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6898708 - 05/10/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I am selling paintings, not briskly, but regularly
not yet at 5K$ though some say I am way too cheap.
maybe I need to die?
death is so relavent to the art establishment.
one does what they can.




Do you need a hand or a push...?


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InvisibleLakefingers

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Boaz]
    #6900911 - 05/11/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

leery11:
I'm not so sure putting a price on art "takes the integrity
away". This might depend how close the artist is the price :smile:, what
we mean by integrity (integrity is not getting paid for art?), and
a few other factors (that's not a very nice word, let's say things for now).

Boaz: I like Greg Brown. Check out "Banjo Moon". It might
not be so bad. Ah, the temporality...
John Zerzan is a proponent of this theory of art: art didn't exist
until around 30,000 years ago when the division of labor arose;
before this everything was in the open, but suddenly things started
to become private and other things suppressed. The only legitimate
way to express what was not to be expressed was through art. So,
art has always been subversive, good art must be radical, and it is
a symptom of a sick culture. Of course, this is very speculative theory,
although it's fun (and I like that it's so polemical).


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InvisibleLakefingers

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: mr_kite]
    #6900918 - 05/11/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
The worth and value of some things are simply obvious to the human race. There is an underlying goodness in human existance and sometimes this can be touched on in a very profound way in music and visual arts.

IMO great art says something about humanity and the human condition. So that's what I call art, if it speaks to you on another level, it's art.




Nothing is obvious without a certain conditioning.

So, does art (even good art) only appeal to what you assume to be
an underlying human goodness?


If there is a human condition how does great art say something about that?
Aren't artists going to run out of ways of approaching that condition?


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InvisibleLakefingers

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: dorkus]
    #6900933 - 05/11/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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dr_mandelbrot said:
That being said, the art scene seems incredible presumptious, and these know-it-alls fancy suits who never shared a thing in common with the artists themselves writes and critiques and interprets the pieces apart with conceptualizations and adding so many layers of intellectual meaning. They must lose the zen of it all. That's why it's good to be stoned out of your gourd in there. I couldn't even stand upright at the Van Gogh museum, but then again this is Amsterdam. Haha. "The colors! Look at the colors!!" They came out to grab me. I remember one artist in a museum I went to who had made these wonderful paintings to fuck with our concepts and preconceived notions of beauty and that's what it's all about.




Same thing as academic philosophy at most institutions. They're workers
and school teachers. They're not philosophers and they want nothing
to do with philosophy. Most things they called philosophy have little
to do with thinking, but are rather inventions of bureaucratic school
teachers that fear open philosophical thinking because it threatens
their working environment, and yes, it is said that philosophy
has been reduced to being taught in working environments. The same goes
for art sciences and literary theory...Of course, there are good
people in certain pockets in these fields that often produce what is
the best art, philosophy, music, literature, but they're unfortunately
exceptions to the rule.

Having creative and intellectual leanings, and having worked in
academia I've found the university structure to be a source of staunch
negativity around certain corners.
I know a girl who was doing her master's in literary studies and she
took time off for two years to study writing. The others at her institution
were irritated, not because she left her job, but because she was becoming
one of those people they study.


van Zandt's alright. I'm been digging Greg Brown as I told Boaz above.
I have one friend that listens to Merle Haggart (just part of his
broad taste in music), which I like, but I should admit I like it for
kitsch value (it conjures an environment and makes me smile at my friend)
and not because I would put it on myself. Otherwise I listen
to most anything, although preferably music with love in it.

Has Henrik Samuelsson ever had any exhibits in your neck of the woods?


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InvisibleLakefingers

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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6900942 - 05/11/07 07:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I am selling paintings, not briskly, but regularly
not yet at 5K$ though some say I am way too cheap.
maybe I need to die?
death is so relavent to the art establishment.
one does what they can.




Yeah, it's too cheap. Go up in the eight figure range next time.
It's not like anything under 5K is worth much unless you're
in shortterm debt or are homeless.
Well, death is the absolute point of limitation;
suddenly the artists work's are not growing, but
shrinking (yes, there are other aspects to this).


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6902840 - 05/11/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

A.R.T. is
A Real Thing

fuck up art and create new art,


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Re: Art...what is it and who decides what it is? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6904935 - 05/12/07 02:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Lakefingers said:
If there is a human condition how does great art say something about that?
Aren't artists going to run out of ways of approaching that condition?




Every person is different and so the ways of approaching art are endless. This is just my interpretation of great art. I find that if it is really interesting and worthwhile then it gives me insights into what it means to be human. ie great music like Beethoven (a great philosopher/composer).


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