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This forum contains content that many will find extremely offensive. Such material includes grotesque imagery, vocal racism, and generally disrespectful behavior. While some of our guidelines are relaxed, we do reserve the right to enforce them at any time. All views are those of their author and are in no way endorsed by the Shroomery.

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fireworks_god said:

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  This forum contains content that many will find extremely offensive. Such material includes grotesque imagery, vocal racism, and generally disrespectful behavior. While some of our guidelines are relaxed, we do reserve the right to enforce them at any time. All views are those of their author and are in no way endorsed by the Shroomery. 

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Sure, you could change all that, but why piss in someone else's cereal? The people who want to be immature and disrespectful have a forum in which to do it (which benefits the rest of the website which doesn't have to tolerate such behavior as a result), and the people who might be offended by what occurs in the forum have a disclaimer that lets them know beforehand of what lies ahead.

Everyone would be satisfied with this if the people who cannot handle the offensive content were to heed the warning in the disclaimer.

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Lightningfractal said:

hahaha nigger.

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Lightningfractal said:

I agree with the freedom of speech concept, but racist hatespeech should be the one exception. It just isn't nescessary...

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This is afterall a private site and we are guests, and so racist speech should be disallowed just like it would be if you were visiting someone else's house and sitting in their living room.

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fireworks_god said:

You haven't even demonstrated how using the term "nigger" constitutes vocal racism, either. Please elaborate on what vocal racism is and your methods of determining this before we can futher discuss banning its usage.

What, LF, is vocal racism?

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Lightningfractal said:

I will of course be happy to abide by the no racism on the Shroomery rule when it is implimented.

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Lightningfractal said:

It's the thing that is mentioned in the OTD disclaimer. Since you are a mod here, you should therefore be already familiar with what it is.

Maybe you should make a thread and ask in the mod forum.

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Lightningfractal said:

It's time we face the fact that racism isn't cool, and it isn't cool in conversations either. The rest of the world has rejected racism, and we should catch up with them, it's the 21st century.

Therefore, I'm requesting that the "vocal racism" aspect of OTD to be removed from the list of allowable OTD behaviors.

We just plain don't need racism anywhere on the site. Wouldn't you agree?

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Lightningfractal said:

And they have also provided this forum for feedback.

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This is afterall a private site and we are guests, and so racist speech should be disallowed just like it would be if you were visiting someone else's house and sitting in their living room.

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Please don't pretend this has never been a hotly debated issue any time in in the past. I was here when OTD was closed down completely. I believe the incorrect choice was ultimately made, this racism issue always re-surfaces, racism is not a part of freedom, and this policy should be re-visited.

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Certainly, let us review it once more. A suitable course of action would be for you to give us an adequate definition of what vocal racism is with which a subsequent debate can operate by.

Lightningfractal said:

Putting that word in my ratings does not offend me personally as I am not black.

Posting racism in public forums however will offend black posters. I want black posters to stay here as well as white ones.

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budmanman said:

I'm a fucking narc

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Lightningfractal said:

The problem is that new, black members will not stick around long enough to sort it out. They could quite easily mistake your "harmless racist speech" for the "real hate speech".

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This forum contains content that many will find extremely offensive. Such material includes grotesque imagery, vocal racism, and generally disrespectful behavior. While some of our guidelines are relaxed, we do reserve the right to enforce them at any time. All views are those of their author and are in no way endorsed by the Shroomery.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

If it were just OTD than I sure would still not like it, but it wouldn't be an issue to me. The problem is that OTD is spilling over, as demonstrated by Hanky who calls another member a nigger in this very thread.

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The surest way to lose a right is to systematically abuse it.

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fireworks_god said:
If OTD is spilling over into other forums, then it is being implied that the rules of these other forums are being violated.

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Lightningfractal said:

It's time we face the fact that racism isn't cool, and it isn't cool in conversations either. The rest of the world has rejected racism, and we should catch up with them, it's the 21st century.

Therefore, I'm requesting that the "vocal racism" aspect of OTD to be removed from the list of allowable OTD behaviors.

We just plain don't need racism anywhere on the site. Wouldn't you agree?

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Using the term "nigger" in itself is not a racist statement. Saying that "a nigger stole my tv" is not stereotyping. Saying that all niggers steal tvs is racism, or saying that white people are better than black people is racism.

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I wonder how many black people have left this website because of what happens in OTD. Zero. How many are going to leave in the future because of what happens in OTD? Zero.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

How about "calling somebody an asshole isn't in itself a flame because you could well be referring to their anal passage"

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rac·ism      /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. 

rac·ism      (rā'sĭz'əm)  Pronunciation Key 
n. 
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

racism

noun
1.  the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 
2.  discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race 

racism


The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society. Until the breakthroughs achieved by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, white domination over blacks was institutionalized and supported in all branches and levels of government, by denying blacks their civil rights and opportunities to participate in political, economic, and social communities.

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Such wordplay to kinda legalize racism is utter childishness.

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The same is true with most of the use of forms of the word nigger, except with that there's a culture of people getting away with it.

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Prove the validity of that rather bold statement. I know of several people who identified themselves as black and who left because of the racism here. This is the same reason why many girls aren't comfortable here. Girls can be very comfortable on male-majority websites, but the Shroomery seems to drive them off to places like Mycotopia for one reason or another.

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Let's leave the racism in OTD, for those who feel the need to be racist and those who chose to be exposed to such kind of things.

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A word in itself conveys nothing. The intention and the motivation of its usage is what determines whether or not it is a racist statement.

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fireworks_god said:

Is that so?

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Uh, yeah? Why would I lie about something so easily verifiable? Give me some credit man.

Lightningfractal said:

And since no mod is god-like to know the real intentions of a poster who posts those words associated with racism, we should restrain from using the words so as to avoid any misunderstandings.

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A word in itself conveys nothing. The intention and the motivation of its usage is what determines whether or not it is a racist statement.

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nig·ger /ˈnɪgər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nig-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
—Usage note The term nigger is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. Definition 1a, however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way. Definition 3 is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the niggers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments—but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile.
–noun 1. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a. a black person.
b. a member of any dark-skinned people.

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

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This forum contains content that many will find extremely offensive. Such material includes grotesque imagery, vocal racism, and generally disrespectful behavior. While some of our guidelines are relaxed, we do reserve the right to enforce them at any time. All views are those of their author and are in no way endorsed by the Shroomery.

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We attract new users mainly through the cultivation forums. The existance of OTD does not work agansit our abilty to attract new users. If anyone enters the forum after reading that and gets offended then they have inflicted it upon themselves. It is not as though they were reading about a horse poo tek and all of a sudden someone called them a nigger, now is it?

Believe it or not, not everyone intentionally enters a forum containing offensive material, pisses everyone off, and then gets upset by their reaction.