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Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation
    #2136038 - 11/25/03 10:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Dear Shroomery,

I sincerely regret to announce that the efforts of the past two weeks have been in vain.  As the administration could come to absolutely no consensus as to what course of action (if any) to take with the OTD forum, we decided to conduct an all-encompassing poll from the entire membership to come to a cut & dry solution: Do whatever the membership at large wants us to do.  The poll was setup and within the first three hours of polling the following results were available:

Public Polls summary, 3 Hour update:

Total Votes: 140
Hidden: 15
Hidden w/ Exp: 55
Public w/ Increased Enforcement: 7
Puclic w/ " " & Exp: 7
Closure: 13
No Change: 43

Summed up that equates to an even 50% of people approving of a hidden forum; 70% of people approving of some change to the forum; and 30% against any change.


Staff Poll Summary:

Total Votes: 30
Closure: 5
No change: 3
Hidden: 5
Hidden Option no. 2: 17

That equates to roughly 72% of the staff in support of hiding the forum; 90% of the staff in support of some change; 10% in support of no change.


Hidden OTD Poll Summary:

There was a temporary hidden forum created to test out the effectiveness of restricting the forum to users who request access.  3DSHROOM posted a poll in this forum (now gone) but the numbers of the OTD population itself not even taking into account the rest of us that participate in the community were roughly dead even in support of either change or no change.  Thus, even a significant portion of the OTD population itself had no problem with the forum being hidden.


I am saddened to realize that papaver, myself, and much of the staff have spent countless hours working to promote a positive change that could very well have served to protect our community?s future integrity, to no avail.  It came to our attention early this morning that there was an attempt to undermine the public poll in favor of No Change.  Out of some 300 votes, there were no trends or patterns in the voting choices except for two very conspicuous blocks of votes for No Change, in which all the users who chose that option voted within minutes of each other.  In the first anomaly set, there were two blocks of user ID numbers; one in the 1000 group which is a group of very old accounts from over three years ago, and one in the 8000 group which originate from the later half of 2001.  It should be noted that most of these users do not have a single registered post in the database.  The second set of anomalies was from newer accounts where many of the user ID numbers are actually invalid.

:wtf:

I closed off the poll as soon as I found the second set in order to allow time for papaver and myself to dig deeper into the records and try to figure out which accounts were in fact illegitimate and remove their votes.  As I stated in multiple threads, there would have been full disclosure as to any action taken to return the poll to valid standing.  This disclosure would have accompanied the reopening of the poll this evening.  Unfortunately, I was at school for the better part of the afternoon and upon returning, have found that all of our efforts attempting to gain valuable feedback from the membership and do something positive and proactive for this community have been made null and void.  I cannot express how disappointed I am and the regret I feel for involving the entire membership in a fruitless endeavor that wasted the time of those who took the initiative to make their voice heard.  I am sorry and ashamed that this project ? while controversial ? had the potential to bring the community together for a truly democratic say, but was ultimately a complete and utter failure.  In closing I would like to present to you some anonymous comments and opinions sent to me throughout all of this.  I will also include the two anomaly sets from the poll data such that those who take it upon themselves can see for themselves that there really was some fucked up doings happening :frown:

First Anomaly Set (exhibiting nearly consecutive registration IDs from long past and no registered activity on the BB):
| Poll ID | Poll Choice | User ID |
1069744707geokills 6 1018
1069744707geokills 6 1020
1069744707geokills 6 1034
1069744707geokills 6 1040
1069744707geokills 6 1081
1069744707geokills 6 8886
1069744707geokills 6 8881
1069744707geokills 6 8895
1069744707geokills 6 8907
1069744707geokills 6 8923
1069744707geokills 6 8933
1069744707geokills 6 8932
1069744707geokills 6 115017

Second Anomaly Set (exhibiting invalid user IDs):
| Poll ID | Poll Choice | User ID |
1069744707geokills 6 4036
1069744707geokills 6 12069
1069744707geokills 6 110573
1069744707geokills 6 110078
1069744707geokills 6 116055
1069744707geokills 6 118331
1069744707geokills 6 109669
1069744707geokills 6 113017
1069744707geokills 5
1069744707geokills 6 115510
1069744707geokills 6 112682
1069744707geokills 6 10020
1069744707geokills 6 108647
1069744707geokills 6 111562
1069744707geokills 6 116908
1069744707geokills 6 110854
1069744707geokills 4
1069744707geokills 6 111230
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 112268
1069744707geokills 6 110781
1069744707geokills 6 109850
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 116548
1069744707geokills 6 108247
1069744707geokills 6 101578
1069744707geokills 6 101628
1069744707geokills 6 112763
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 102640
1069744707geokills 6 104363
1069744707geokills 6 11967
1069744707geokills 6 102208
1069744707geokills 6 111215
1069744707geokills 6 108680
1069744707geokills 6 108680
1069744707geokills 6 117018
1069744707geokills 6 100428
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 115762
1069744707geokills 6 12405
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 118778
1069744707geokills 6 107028
1069744707geokills 6 117466
1069744707geokills 6 116711

*Poll Option 6 was for No Change


?i think your doing the right thing with the otd?

?on a side note, i would like to say good job to you and the rest of the admins/mods for the way you [were handling] this matter....bravo! a well deserved pat on the back. this is no easy task, and im sure its far from over, but i really do think that you guys are handling this situation with the upmost respect and class....thanx and good luck?

?i would like to see it be a hidden forum with the inactive posts being deleted on a regular basis. alot of the threads are of no real value to anyone after its over, and only takes up your space. i also like the idea that if someone would like to see their thread stick around, they can request to the mods it be kept. having the forum hidden will give everyone what they want. (i hope) the regular OTDers can do their thing, with out worrying about what the rest of the world thinks...or rather keeps the rest of the world from worrying about what they do. i dont really think they care what the rest thinks sometimes?

?Remember when I asked to make me a mod for the cult forum. Please don't ever do that. I know you guys are gonna keep the OTD which does nothing but brien high school kids to the site. I just want to be a member not any kind of mod or anything that has to do with that when this place goes down.

I hope you guys do something about that cause it's starting to be a joke around here.?

?There is a reason why the big weed sites don't have a OTD. We're looking at the reason right in the face now. Plus the fact that a huge amount of the asswipes here are only here for the OTD. Shut down OTD and you'll loose a lot of those people. Believe me it will help all forums. Some of those people wander off of OTD and fuck up the other forums with stupid posts or flames.

Look at it this way. Wouldn't it be nice if you could just be a admin here without having to be a babysitter.?

?I find the levels of casual racism, homophobia and general bad attitude of a number of the members of OTD to be bang out of order.
I've made complaints on matters pretaining to those points before.
I only step in occassionaly to see if the one or two, "sensible", people have posted anything worth repling to.
The rest? If you made it a locked forum so that only members with passwords could read and post?

I'd not apply for the access. Would'nt be worth it.

The board, as you rightly say, should be used for spreading and sharing open minded views on mushroom usage not a place for mindless, worthless offensive posts.

If the, "trouble makers", cant mix with the other members in their choosen hang out spot then they should be banned. Simple.?

?I recomend that the forum either be hidden and made available after a relevant post threshold is reached (helps problems of users/mods), or the forum be deleted altogether (makes site better for intended purpose). Moderating, rules, etc are ineffective. Since I've been here in 99, there have always been periods of strict enforcement, and they have all cycled into periods of lack enforcement. It just won't work.?

"It takes a lot to get me involved, but this was a worthy project, so I tossed in my two cents whenever I felt I could be persuasive. I feel the eventual solution arrived at was nothing short of brilliant, and I am devastated to see it tossed away in such an astoundingly stupid manner at literally the last minute."

With that I bid you good night.
 


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Edited by geokills (11/27/03 05:08 AM)


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136059 - 11/25/03 10:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:heart:

I have no comment at this time.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136133 - 11/25/03 10:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

peace out mang






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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 40oz]
    #2136215 - 11/25/03 11:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think we all know who tried to mess with the poll, its not a surprise and that sad person(s) need to get a life.



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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136225 - 11/25/03 11:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Let me just say that I have downloaded, and saved, the poll data, and I have been looking at it very closely, all day, and there seems to be unprecedented voter fraud occurring at many levels -- and some of those levels surprise and disappoint me.

Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore. I've seen enough to know what is going on, and I don't like it. I am not going to step down over this bullshit, but I am not going to keep putting myself in the middle of this bullshit anymore either. I am going to work on other aspects of this site -- focus my energies in other areas. "Put my good where it will do the most," because it hasn't been doing much good in the community aspects of this site.

3D and Ythan can handle OTD and the community aspects of this site. I'm going to work on the FAQ, with Anno, and the ODD, WAF, and other forums, as that's where I should have been putting my efforts all along, had I not had to deal with the public OTD drama on a daily basis.

So, if any of you have a "community" problems, harassment, scammers, st00p1d puppets, whatever, please directly PM either, 3D or Ythan, they are confident folks -- although they don't seem to say very much -- and they will be glad to assist you quickly and personably! :smile:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 40oz]
    #2136228 - 11/25/03 11:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'll piece you out, skinny boy. :wink:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Effed]
    #2136244 - 11/25/03 11:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i mean does 3Dshroom have a problem with deletign old posts? or hidign it from new members? i think that is reasonable.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136312 - 11/26/03 12:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136337 - 11/26/03 12:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

geo -  :heart:
pap -  :heart:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Blastrid]
    #2136821 - 11/26/03 06:13 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i must say taht i am verry impressed by the efforts made by our administration, both to rectify past and current issues with the community and it's members, and in this particular situation with the OTD poll. it saddens me to see the behavior of the responsible parties in the instigation of countless problems in the community, with specific reference to the current OTD situation.

the members here who seem dead set to cause problems are really a silly annoyance, and i'm sorry to see them here, and glad not to have to see them in person.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
    #2136824 - 11/26/03 06:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mr_Mushrooms said:
I have nothing to add except that I am happy to see the adminstration trying to improve this message board.

Peace out 




I couldn't have summed it up better.  Some people may not agee with some decisions that are made, but they have to realize that the admins and mods really do care about this place. Their intentions are from the heart and are trying to keep the shroomery the best fuckin site in all of cyberspace. :heart: :thumbup: 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Effed]
    #2136828 - 11/26/03 06:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Effed said:
I'll piece you out, skinny boy. :wink: 




bring it mod boy!  :grin: 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136833 - 11/26/03 06:26 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I thought it was a bold plan that had alot of potential. Making it a hidden forum is a good idea I think. I'm not nearly as excited about the post expiration, but if it takes a burden off the shroomery as a whole then it is probably a good idea.


Quote:

I hope you guys do something about that cause it's starting to be a joke around here.?
Quote:



Was this person referring to the Shroomery as "arround here", or some other website?


I honestly can't bring myself to have any sympathy for anyone who gets their panties all twisted up over posts in OTD. I don't believe that the Shroomery suffers any loss from their alledged absence, but some people seem to want to try to keep them around, and I can respect that.

OTD can have alot of sharp corners sometimes. Babyproofing this site = k3y.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Blastrid]
    #2136836 - 11/26/03 06:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I support any administrative measure but you all know something must be done. It doesn't matter if we are right or wrong, what's important is how we judge things. Ignoring the problem won't solve anything, it will only make it worst.
Geo, don't be surprised if something like democracy fails in this kind of situations, it's not the first time in history and it won't be the last, this community is not about majorities, it's about people, different people, special people.
Some will disagree but the way i see it, Ythan and the rest of administrators should decide what to do, independently of any vote call, this is a act of responsibility that must be taken by the highest rank.

I love you all,
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
    #2136856 - 11/26/03 07:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

In case you missed it, 3DShroom already decided for all.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
    #2136858 - 11/26/03 07:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I have no idea what was going on in OTD, but it is sad to see it go. I liked that forum. It gave me a chance to share my poetry with others. But if it must be gone, it must be. So, what happens to the mods?


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: DMJ]
    #2136860 - 11/26/03 07:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Go?? Where to? Open your eyes!


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: DMJ]
    #2136893 - 11/26/03 07:45 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It's back again, and I'm glad to see this while thing end. Now let's get back to normal... normal normal for us, anyway.

[sigh]

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
    #2136906 - 11/26/03 08:09 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Anno said:
In case you missed it, 3DShroom already decided for all.




I see but i believe the issue has not been solved.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
    #2136922 - 11/26/03 08:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

> but i believe the issue has not been solved.

I doubt it. If 3DShroom decides something, then it stays this way, regardless of the opinion of others.


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