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Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation
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Dear Shroomery,

I sincerely regret to announce that the efforts of the past two weeks have been in vain.  As the administration could come to absolutely no consensus as to what course of action (if any) to take with the OTD forum, we decided to conduct an all-encompassing poll from the entire membership to come to a cut & dry solution: Do whatever the membership at large wants us to do.  The poll was setup and within the first three hours of polling the following results were available:

Public Polls summary, 3 Hour update:

Total Votes: 140
Hidden: 15
Hidden w/ Exp: 55
Public w/ Increased Enforcement: 7
Puclic w/ " " & Exp: 7
Closure: 13
No Change: 43

Summed up that equates to an even 50% of people approving of a hidden forum; 70% of people approving of some change to the forum; and 30% against any change.


Staff Poll Summary:

Total Votes: 30
Closure: 5
No change: 3
Hidden: 5
Hidden Option no. 2: 17

That equates to roughly 72% of the staff in support of hiding the forum; 90% of the staff in support of some change; 10% in support of no change.


Hidden OTD Poll Summary:

There was a temporary hidden forum created to test out the effectiveness of restricting the forum to users who request access.  3DSHROOM posted a poll in this forum (now gone) but the numbers of the OTD population itself not even taking into account the rest of us that participate in the community were roughly dead even in support of either change or no change.  Thus, even a significant portion of the OTD population itself had no problem with the forum being hidden.


I am saddened to realize that papaver, myself, and much of the staff have spent countless hours working to promote a positive change that could very well have served to protect our community?s future integrity, to no avail.  It came to our attention early this morning that there was an attempt to undermine the public poll in favor of No Change.  Out of some 300 votes, there were no trends or patterns in the voting choices except for two very conspicuous blocks of votes for No Change, in which all the users who chose that option voted within minutes of each other.  In the first anomaly set, there were two blocks of user ID numbers; one in the 1000 group which is a group of very old accounts from over three years ago, and one in the 8000 group which originate from the later half of 2001.  It should be noted that most of these users do not have a single registered post in the database.  The second set of anomalies was from newer accounts where many of the user ID numbers are actually invalid.

:wtf:

I closed off the poll as soon as I found the second set in order to allow time for papaver and myself to dig deeper into the records and try to figure out which accounts were in fact illegitimate and remove their votes.  As I stated in multiple threads, there would have been full disclosure as to any action taken to return the poll to valid standing.  This disclosure would have accompanied the reopening of the poll this evening.  Unfortunately, I was at school for the better part of the afternoon and upon returning, have found that all of our efforts attempting to gain valuable feedback from the membership and do something positive and proactive for this community have been made null and void.  I cannot express how disappointed I am and the regret I feel for involving the entire membership in a fruitless endeavor that wasted the time of those who took the initiative to make their voice heard.  I am sorry and ashamed that this project ? while controversial ? had the potential to bring the community together for a truly democratic say, but was ultimately a complete and utter failure.  In closing I would like to present to you some anonymous comments and opinions sent to me throughout all of this.  I will also include the two anomaly sets from the poll data such that those who take it upon themselves can see for themselves that there really was some fucked up doings happening :frown:

First Anomaly Set (exhibiting nearly consecutive registration IDs from long past and no registered activity on the BB):
| Poll ID | Poll Choice | User ID |
1069744707geokills 6 1018
1069744707geokills 6 1020
1069744707geokills 6 1034
1069744707geokills 6 1040
1069744707geokills 6 1081
1069744707geokills 6 8886
1069744707geokills 6 8881
1069744707geokills 6 8895
1069744707geokills 6 8907
1069744707geokills 6 8923
1069744707geokills 6 8933
1069744707geokills 6 8932
1069744707geokills 6 115017

Second Anomaly Set (exhibiting invalid user IDs):
| Poll ID | Poll Choice | User ID |
1069744707geokills 6 4036
1069744707geokills 6 12069
1069744707geokills 6 110573
1069744707geokills 6 110078
1069744707geokills 6 116055
1069744707geokills 6 118331
1069744707geokills 6 109669
1069744707geokills 6 113017
1069744707geokills 5
1069744707geokills 6 115510
1069744707geokills 6 112682
1069744707geokills 6 10020
1069744707geokills 6 108647
1069744707geokills 6 111562
1069744707geokills 6 116908
1069744707geokills 6 110854
1069744707geokills 4
1069744707geokills 6 111230
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 112268
1069744707geokills 6 110781
1069744707geokills 6 109850
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 116548
1069744707geokills 6 108247
1069744707geokills 6 101578
1069744707geokills 6 101628
1069744707geokills 6 112763
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 102640
1069744707geokills 6 104363
1069744707geokills 6 11967
1069744707geokills 6 102208
1069744707geokills 6 111215
1069744707geokills 6 108680
1069744707geokills 6 108680
1069744707geokills 6 117018
1069744707geokills 6 100428
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 115762
1069744707geokills 6 12405
1069744707geokills 2
1069744707geokills 6 118778
1069744707geokills 6 107028
1069744707geokills 6 117466
1069744707geokills 6 116711

*Poll Option 6 was for No Change


?i think your doing the right thing with the otd?

?on a side note, i would like to say good job to you and the rest of the admins/mods for the way you [were handling] this matter....bravo! a well deserved pat on the back. this is no easy task, and im sure its far from over, but i really do think that you guys are handling this situation with the upmost respect and class....thanx and good luck?

?i would like to see it be a hidden forum with the inactive posts being deleted on a regular basis. alot of the threads are of no real value to anyone after its over, and only takes up your space. i also like the idea that if someone would like to see their thread stick around, they can request to the mods it be kept. having the forum hidden will give everyone what they want. (i hope) the regular OTDers can do their thing, with out worrying about what the rest of the world thinks...or rather keeps the rest of the world from worrying about what they do. i dont really think they care what the rest thinks sometimes?

?Remember when I asked to make me a mod for the cult forum. Please don't ever do that. I know you guys are gonna keep the OTD which does nothing but brien high school kids to the site. I just want to be a member not any kind of mod or anything that has to do with that when this place goes down.

I hope you guys do something about that cause it's starting to be a joke around here.?

?There is a reason why the big weed sites don't have a OTD. We're looking at the reason right in the face now. Plus the fact that a huge amount of the asswipes here are only here for the OTD. Shut down OTD and you'll loose a lot of those people. Believe me it will help all forums. Some of those people wander off of OTD and fuck up the other forums with stupid posts or flames.

Look at it this way. Wouldn't it be nice if you could just be a admin here without having to be a babysitter.?

?I find the levels of casual racism, homophobia and general bad attitude of a number of the members of OTD to be bang out of order.
I've made complaints on matters pretaining to those points before.
I only step in occassionaly to see if the one or two, "sensible", people have posted anything worth repling to.
The rest? If you made it a locked forum so that only members with passwords could read and post?

I'd not apply for the access. Would'nt be worth it.

The board, as you rightly say, should be used for spreading and sharing open minded views on mushroom usage not a place for mindless, worthless offensive posts.

If the, "trouble makers", cant mix with the other members in their choosen hang out spot then they should be banned. Simple.?

?I recomend that the forum either be hidden and made available after a relevant post threshold is reached (helps problems of users/mods), or the forum be deleted altogether (makes site better for intended purpose). Moderating, rules, etc are ineffective. Since I've been here in 99, there have always been periods of strict enforcement, and they have all cycled into periods of lack enforcement. It just won't work.?

"It takes a lot to get me involved, but this was a worthy project, so I tossed in my two cents whenever I felt I could be persuasive. I feel the eventual solution arrived at was nothing short of brilliant, and I am devastated to see it tossed away in such an astoundingly stupid manner at literally the last minute."

With that I bid you good night.
 


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Edited by geokills (11/27/03 03:08 AM)

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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:heart:

I have no comment at this time.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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peace out mang






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tiny_rabid_birds said:
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 40oz]
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I think we all know who tried to mess with the poll, its not a surprise and that sad person(s) need to get a life.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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Let me just say that I have downloaded, and saved, the poll data, and I have been looking at it very closely, all day, and there seems to be unprecedented voter fraud occurring at many levels -- and some of those levels surprise and disappoint me.

Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore. I've seen enough to know what is going on, and I don't like it. I am not going to step down over this bullshit, but I am not going to keep putting myself in the middle of this bullshit anymore either. I am going to work on other aspects of this site -- focus my energies in other areas. "Put my good where it will do the most," because it hasn't been doing much good in the community aspects of this site.

3D and Ythan can handle OTD and the community aspects of this site. I'm going to work on the FAQ, with Anno, and the ODD, WAF, and other forums, as that's where I should have been putting my efforts all along, had I not had to deal with the public OTD drama on a daily basis.

So, if any of you have a "community" problems, harassment, scammers, st00p1d puppets, whatever, please directly PM either, 3D or Ythan, they are confident folks -- although they don't seem to say very much -- and they will be glad to assist you quickly and personably! :smile:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 40oz]
    #2136228 -

I'll piece you out, skinny boy. :wink:

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Effed]
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i mean does 3Dshroom have a problem with deletign old posts? or hidign it from new members? i think that is reasonable.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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geo -  :heart:
pap -  :heart:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Blastrid]
    #2136821 -

i must say taht i am verry impressed by the efforts made by our administration, both to rectify past and current issues with the community and it's members, and in this particular situation with the OTD poll. it saddens me to see the behavior of the responsible parties in the instigation of countless problems in the community, with specific reference to the current OTD situation.

the members here who seem dead set to cause problems are really a silly annoyance, and i'm sorry to see them here, and glad not to have to see them in person.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms said:
I have nothing to add except that I am happy to see the adminstration trying to improve this message board.

Peace out 


I couldn't have summed it up better.  Some people may not agee with some decisions that are made, but they have to realize that the admins and mods really do care about this place. Their intentions are from the heart and are trying to keep the shroomery the best fuckin site in all of cyberspace. :heart: :thumbup: 


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Some fall
Some climb
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Effed]
    #2136828 -

Effed said:
I'll piece you out, skinny boy. :wink: 


bring it mod boy!  :grin: 


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tiny_rabid_birds said:
"your avatar is dirty."

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
    #2136833 -

I thought it was a bold plan that had alot of potential. Making it a hidden forum is a good idea I think. I'm not nearly as excited about the post expiration, but if it takes a burden off the shroomery as a whole then it is probably a good idea.


Quote:
I hope you guys do something about that cause it's starting to be a joke around here.?
Quote:
Was this person referring to the Shroomery as "arround here", or some other website?


I honestly can't bring myself to have any sympathy for anyone who gets their panties all twisted up over posts in OTD. I don't believe that the Shroomery suffers any loss from their alledged absence, but some people seem to want to try to keep them around, and I can respect that.

OTD can have alot of sharp corners sometimes. Babyproofing this site = k3y.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Blastrid]
    #2136836 -

I support any administrative measure but you all know something must be done. It doesn't matter if we are right or wrong, what's important is how we judge things. Ignoring the problem won't solve anything, it will only make it worst.
Geo, don't be surprised if something like democracy fails in this kind of situations, it's not the first time in history and it won't be the last, this community is not about majorities, it's about people, different people, special people.
Some will disagree but the way i see it, Ythan and the rest of administrators should decide what to do, independently of any vote call, this is a act of responsibility that must be taken by the highest rank.

I love you all,
MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
    #2136856 -

In case you missed it, 3DShroom already decided for all.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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I have no idea what was going on in OTD, but it is sad to see it go. I liked that forum. It gave me a chance to share my poetry with others. But if it must be gone, it must be. So, what happens to the mods?


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: DMJ]
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Go?? Where to? Open your eyes!


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: DMJ]
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It's back again, and I'm glad to see this while thing end. Now let's get back to normal... normal normal for us, anyway.

[sigh]

-Diploid


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
In case you missed it, 3DShroom already decided for all.


I see but i believe the issue has not been solved.

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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> but i believe the issue has not been solved.

I doubt it. If 3DShroom decides something, then it stays this way, regardless of the opinion of others.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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no matter which way,i still  :heart: the shroomery,the admins and all the mods and yes..my fellow members!
peace all :thumbup:

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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that's sad to hear. especially when the effort was for a positive purpose.



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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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Quote:
Anno said:I doubt it. If 3DShroom decides something, then it stays this way, regardless of the opinion of others.


Oh stop you big drama queen.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Are you implying I?m wrong?

Prove the opposite! It?s you to make the first step !


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
    #2136990 -

If I got my way everytime I wanted, then I doubt you, geo, and pap would be around right now due to you guys being pissed off at me.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
    #2136994 -

The Shroomery is far more important than you.
I?m here for the cause, not because you are the webmaster here.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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This was a noble attempt, but it stopped short of that. Sorry all this trouble came, but most of all I'm a bit annoyed at a number of posters views on OTD. The "weed sites" don't have an OTD, but neither do they have any community-oriented forums.

Look at the forums in this BB- this is clearly not a website devoted to mushrooms alone- the first section is devoted to mushrooms, a couple of forums are devoted to drugs/general questions, and a large number on side interests. "culinary arts".. yes, this place enjoys variety.

it is sad to me that most people don't seem to see the value of otd- it is a place where people have come simply to relax. After a long day at work, a person will look forward to sitting down and just letting his fingers do the typing and let his mind wander and smile at triviality. Virtually no one came to this site for OTD- they are all members who are either just relaxing or taking an extended break from the other forums- they can be more cruel than anyone in OTD. I've noticed very elitist sentiment in a few forums and so gradually started hanging out in otd. Sure, i don't seem to fit in too well ( at least it seems that way to myself ), but it doesn't matter!

edit: also, i think i may abuse quickreply sometimes

Edited by Morrowind (11/26/03 07:33 AM)

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Is all of this really that big of a deal? Let's get serious.

I feel bad that you even have to waste your time with this. Maybe I'm just not understanding...

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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whoever did that is pretty gay.


oh well, maybe we can still use the poll results before the fraud took place?



This is like an online MUDD soap opera! :smile:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
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you understand just fine

pap, anno and geo wanted to change or better yet get rid of OTD

they failed


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: kaiowas]
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ok with an exception i hate you...ok

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
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Me..... I think I am glad to see it back. I voted for hidden forum with thread expiration. To me, I just don't see why that doesn't make complete sense.

I mean, if anyone wants a thread to be saved, one short PM with the address of the thread, maybe a sentence saying why they think it should be saved, and then BAM! The thread won't disappear. If someone wants a thread to be saved in OTD, taking one minute to PM someone should be worth that miniscule amount of time to speak up.

And having it hidden with a disclaimer why it is hidden makes complete sense. It isn't like there is leisurely chit chat about spiritual matters going on in there. There is porn and all sorts of comments going around that would make a nun burn in a flash of pain and smoke.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Hell, one of the first posts I made in there was just "Fuck George Bush" repeated ad infinitum. But there are people that don't want to read that. Making them have to take just one step that shows a desire to post there, fully understanding what goes on there, makes sense. No one can cry about opening a page that has some guys ass all spread open. A disclaimer in the thread title itself isn't even needed, because there is already an understanding that that picture could pop up at any time.

So, what am I missing? What is the unknown force that is keeping me from the light? Does what I say NOT make sense? Two steps right there, and the people that decide to revel in the essence of OTD get to do so with no restrictions. The people that do not wish to see it don't see it. The threads in there that someone does not want to disappear don't disappear. The vast majority of posts that no one will even think about in a week or a month disappear, and The Shroomery's message boards hum at a new efficency.

Apparently a lot of people decided that this makes sense because I don't see why it shouldn't. Why does it have to be too late to do this? No one is going to be burned in effigy for doing so. And if anyone feels the need to get so upset about it that they need to disrupt things, then they are fucking crazy and should be dealt with. Seven individuals out of the mass of thousands can't have decisions effecting all of us made for them just because they throw the biggest fit.

I mean, I am sure that there is some insane lobbyist in Washington that sprouts off how the government's power needs to be handed to him. Just because he is right up in the decision makers' face and screaming his demands in their ear doesn't mean that the government is handed to him.

Anyways, am I wrong? Has anything I said not made any sense? If it hasn't, let me know. Let's all remember that is is suspossed to be about the :mushroom2:
Peace. 


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
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The big deal is that 40% of the shroomery is OTD and that's serious.
I'm not against OTD, i just think leaving things the way they are, someday, we'll be growing Ps. Offtopikensis.:smirk:
We may ignore OTD growth in this house in terms of bandwidth, content, size, attention and intention but the fact is the roof might not be tall enough in the future and even today it takes almost half the house for himself.
That's the only big issue with OTD and i say it because i care. I want the best for this place damit .... :frown:

MAIA 


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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So have old posts deleted and its fine.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Sombie]
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Quote:
I do the very best I know how - the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what's said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference.


Abraham Lincoln


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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I'm happy that 3dShroom brought back OTD.
Try to delete/destroy the most popular forum and what do you expect to happen...

I think its a good idea to delete old posts.  But keep the post count :smile:

I dont think OTD should be hidden, but it should be hidden from non-members.

"Enter this forum at your own risk. It may contain content that some viewers may find offensive."

Putting that in bright red letters is asking for trouble!


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: pattern]
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I am sorry that people have ommitted fraud in the poll. As usual I support whatever des ision the community designs on. mj

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Here's what I feel for any non-admin member who is upset that 3dshroom wants to have a website with an otd. What are you doing? It's someone's website and it's just another section of it. If you don't go there it has no effect on you. As far as making the site faster while searching, it's already been stated by ythan that this can be done without destroying otd.
Anyhow it's really not our website and we don't have any place demanding that the wrongly deemed "problem forum" be taken away. Yeah I argued and got all pissy before the forum went down, but it was only because I was afraid no one would hear my opinion if I just quietly sent my suggestion to the admins. I'm very happy with what 3d did, but I think it wasn't really my business what the admins did in the end, because it's their site. Also, it would have worked out somewhat fine with the dark underbelly as a general otd.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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The sky is falling. The sky is falling.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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Those that truly understand respect you and thank you for all the effort you have put forward. You intentions were good and noble. It's a shame things ended up this way.

Don't get discouraged though, you can do no good if you don't get back on the horse when it kicked you off.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: neuro]
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I really only watched things from a distance, but I don't think that reforms were a bad idea. I just assume have no OTD, it is a bit of a joke. Not to say I don't add to it, but that's beside the point.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: MAIA]
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everyone is making a big deal over nothing...what 3dshroom did was best for the COMMUNITY...maybe not the cult section or the hunting section, but best for this place as a whole. this site can't make money without traffic and otd brings traffic. plus the poll reflected that most people wanted either a hidden otd with no change or a public otd with no change (that was b4 the fraud). this whole change otd thing was championed by mods who dont get along with people that hang there... i personally was going to welcome a change to stop some of the extremely pointles threads...anyway ODD is a much bigger threat to this site as a whole than OTD is...so you mods who need something to cry about in ur super-secret forum, there is a new crusade for ya.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: KingOftheThing]
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I want to make a few comments now that this whole OTD thing is coming to an end.

First, OTD is NOT the same as it was, THERE IS A WARNING IN BIG RED LETTERS before you click on this forum. I think this is great. This warns the lambs and the n00bs to stay out if they want a more positive Shroomery experience. It certainly prepares people better for the crazyness inside OTD.

This warning does everything the hidden forum did but, protect from puppets (sorry mods)... and nobody gets left out. So democracy or not, OTD with a disclaimer is almost as good as a hidden forum. Probably better for the general public. A little more difficult for the mods.

Also no matter what some people say, Geo and Papa's work hasn't been for naught, although, they sound a bit put out by being swept aside by 3D (Now they know how it feels to be swept aside in The Shroomery... not very fun). I don't blame them for feeling a little hurt... I would.

However, The Shroomery is a more positive and tightly knit community than it was... the events in the OTD have given some newer Shroomerites (like me) a voice. Sadly, the events have taken away the voices of some longstanding members of this community.

Now that the Administration's humanity has been put on public display, we should forgive them and move on. Just like the Administration should forgive GW and PK (and others) for their behavior during these events (although, I'm sure I don't know the whole story).

Now that it is over, I think it is time to reflect. The people who took the most drastic actions, are the people who care the most about the community. Geokills, Psilokitten, Papaver, 3D_SHROOM, Georgewash and HB... I am sure there are countless others who were effected by this experiment... people who wanted a voice in the vote and didn't get one.

As a n00b Shroomerite, let me make a suggestion, Administrators, let it go... your experiment was a success not a failure. You, me and others learned why OTD is so important to this community.

Thanks for your efforts, we all want what is best for The Shroomery.

Cervantes


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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hang in there Geo!  :heart:

That's all I have to say. 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Rose]
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As for PsiloKitten, all I have heard are rumors, but even if she did, it was out of concern for the community.

I don't know many of those folks I named above very well, it helped me look at their actions without taking things personally. Most of them can't say the same thing.

I'm just calling 'em as I see 'em... admitting I don't see the whole picture along the way.

Fooling with a poll is serious but, the WHOLE OTD thing was handled POORLY. OTD was taken down poorly. People reacted poorly. Administration reacted poorly. Mods reacted poorly. Sponsors reacted poorly. The OTD was brought back poorly.

Why?

Simple.

POOR COMMUNICATION. The only thing that has come to light from this whole thing is this: THE ADMINISTRATION COMMUNICATED POORLY. Had they communicated to one another and the community better, this whole thing could have been handled WELL.

What I was saying, Mr Mushrooms, is the Administration should be forgiven. They said all along it was an EXPERIMENT. The members of this community should be forgiven too. WE WERE GUINEA PIGS AFTER ALL. The experiment CAN STILL WORK if all is forgiven.

Think of the example the Administration could send to the community by forgiving those people who actually CARE about The Shroomery. BANNING PEOPLE OVER OTD sends a POOR message. Especially when OTD appears to have been brought back, in part, to piss PsiloKitten and other newly banned members off.

For God's sake, this site is at its heart a protest site, protesting government misinformation concerning psychadelic mushrooms. And it is punishing people for PROTESTING.

Whoever fiddled with the poll CARED about the community... and they were making a point... how could it be a fair poll, if people were kicked out before the vote?

Things were poorly handled all around. It is better to lick our wounds and heal as a comunity than to hold grudges.

I think we'd all prefer that.

Wasn't this whole OTD thing done to enforce POSITIVITY?

The administration should make a UNIFIED, POSITIVE gesture.

Forgiveness would heal wounds quickly.

Am I crazy?


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Rose]
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Again, I didn't know her well, but I bet if I looked at her pre OTD fiasco threads, PsiloKitten would come across as a smart, passionate person who would stand up for what she thinks is right.

Not to different from you Mr. Mushrooms... or me... or the current administration.

We just saw a personal argument on a public forum.

What does FORUM mean?

Main Entry: fo?rum
Pronunciation: 'fOr-&m, 'for-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural forums also fo?ra /-&/
Etymology: Latin; akin to Latin foris outside, fores door -- more at DOOR
Date: 15th century
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities

Let's not ban people for using a forum as it was intended.

Even if they used a creative means to express their opinion.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Rose]
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Psilokitty threatened to have people hack our server. She will never be coming back if I have anything to do with it.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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You're making a lot of ultimatums.

This is public, "He said she said," 3D.

She said you threatened to nark on her.

If that happened, wouldn't it explain her actions better?

Sounds like a personal spat. Shouldn't be public. Ugly things happen and people like me read them.

I don't care who did what first.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Rose]
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First of all, she threatened to have the server hacked, so I told her if something did happen to the server, she would be the prime suspect. Whether you realize it or not, tampering with someone else's server is illegal.

Take a look at http://www.shroomery.org/forums/newuser.php and you will see this: "Any attempt to adversely affect the server in any way will result in us taking immediate action against you."

This means we will take any measures possible to track down and prosecute anyone who tries to harm our servers.

It's pretty obvious you are friends with them since you know all this stuff.. maybe you should reconsider who you trust.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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*3DSHROOMS: It's pretty obvious you are friends with them since you know all this stuff.. maybe you should reconsider who you trust.

*Mr.Mushrooms: Then I must assume you do know her and that explains why you are coming to her defense.

You know what assumptions make of you and me, Mr. Mushrooms AND 3DSHROOMS.

I am simply literate. This is a public forum. I read this whole thing as it was posted. I base my opinions on what I have read.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Fair enough 3D.

I still stand by my point about forgiveness.

We should forgive the administrators for the experiment and the administrators should forgive us, the gunea pigs.

I understand if you can't agree.

I mean no disrespect... I ASSUME you can see that.

:tongue:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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Sorry I haven't replied..as I hardly come here anymore.

OTD used to be a great forum. With great people.

I bitched about it before, but know I realize that you can either live with it, or leave it as I did.

The only solution to bringing it back to the way it used to be is to restrict access...as in make it for preferred members only. Thus getting rid of the sea of morons that constantly post garbage.

But this doesn't seem very realistic. This stuff just happens when a board like this becomes popular and overflows with members

That's my 2 cents.
Take it for what it's worth.

Later all

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Making it a hidden forum is a good idea I think


That would just be like another PUB again.

Not saying that is a bad thing though.

I did not vote on this simply because I missed the window to do so.

However with like many situations, and I learned this many many many years ago, back in the 2400 baud BBS days, to not take online communities too seriously. IN that I mean, do not let it get to you to the point where you get emotional.

SHit, I really can understand how frustrated Papaver is right now. Just at the point where you need to say fuckit.



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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Rose]
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wait what?? im so drunk right now... what the heck is happening. som sort of poll on OTD?? what? i think it should come back. there doesnt need to be rules because its off topic. but of course, i dont wanna see anything nasty and/or fucked up like when lizard king edited his post about liberty cap finds and changed them all to the picture from goatse.cx (by the way, dont go to that website unless your a gross motherfucker) but what?? whats going on here?


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Its Pat]
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Its Pat said:
Quote:
Making it a hidden forum is a good idea I think


That would just be like another PUB again.

Not saying that is a bad thing though.

I did not vote on this simply because I missed the window to do so.

However with like many situations, and I learned this many many many years ago, back in the 2400 baud BBS days, to not take online communities too seriously. IN that I mean, do not let it get to you to the point where you get emotional.

SHit, I really can understand how frustrated Papaver is right now. Just at the point where you need to say fuckit.




'Cheers' you mean.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: abhi]
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psychopsilocybin said:
wait what?? im so drunk right now... what the heck is happening. som sort of poll on OTD?? what? i think it should come back. there doesnt need to be rules because its off topic. but of course, i dont wanna see anything nasty and/or fucked up like when lizard king edited his post about liberty cap finds and changed them all to the picture from goatse.cx (by the way, dont go to that website unless your a gross motherfucker) but what?? whats going on here?


Best post of the week.

P.S. Absynthe rules! Thanks Shroomery! Happy Thanksgiving.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms said:
For the record, she didn't fuck the poll because she was doing what she thought was best for the Shroomery. She did it because she was trying to gain enough power to get her way and maintain OTD as a forum for the "ol' skool", i.e. her buddies.
Cheers,

MM


for the record,
i am not siding on this issue,
my point being is,
i hate it when people make assumtions, Mr. Mushrooms.
especially when you say "For the record,."
if you are really interested in knowing both sides of the story,
click this.
i hope next time you will speak with your mind,
and not out your ass.



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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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damn your poll got hax0red.. what a buncha rooty poots!


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Psilokitten also has a portfolio of half nude breast shots.
If anyone is interested, they are very amusing.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Glowing_Eleven]
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sure, over with them!


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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:wink:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Papaver]
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People who would fuck with the other forums should be banned forever.

Thats what i think.  :mad2:

(Just so you all know i'm keeping an eye on activity's here). 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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The OTD forum is nothing but a place for under age children,who have no business being here,to talk about childish topics.Any true cultivators have no use for this forum because we all have real lives and people we can talk with to discuss OTD.I personally will never use the forum because when the DEA investigates the board because these children get caught doing something stupid and blame it on the shroomery I don't want my name to be involved.Remember what happened to pilocybe fantasous?I believe the same will happen here.Kids always try to blame someone else for thier stupidity and thier parents are more than willing to sue anyone to keep thier kid from taking responsability for thier actions or to admit thier own lack of parenting and watching what thier kids are doing and with whom and where.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Fliquid]
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wtf...  :heart: :heartpump:

yeah yeah Kykeon is still alive, still cultivating shrooms
for himself but no long a casual poster in Shroomery. i just
realized what had happened and would like to share my very first
thoughts with u:

I hate when this happens.

com'on ALL of u. its sooooo fuckin eazy to judge but its a
pain when u r judged. so i suppose that we have to live with rules.
if someone breaks the rules, its his/her decision, so fuck him/her.

and i also suggest you all munch some shroomies tonite
and tommorrow post in a new "i am sorry" thread.

pissed off with egoism... who fuckin cares for all this shit.
some rules must be followed and thats all. apart from that
we should ALL love EVERYONE in here.

..and if some things make us feel akward, its better to try
and settle them with no big trumpet playing. lol

oh by the way, i am for the idea 3DSHROOM should ask from those
inside here who are old enough, to establish a SHROOM CARTA
of how situations like this should be handled in the future.
lets say, a constitution of rights and obligations of all shroomerites.

may the SPIRIT be with ALL of you

Kykeon
trapped inside his life for the last months,
trying to win, but is soon to meet his fate in death

 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: kykeon]
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Hey Kykeon! WB shroomy.  :grin:

So true, so true. 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Second guessing and overstepping your virtual volunteer daily Admins (Geo& Pap) was/is a incredibly disrespectful way to handle the folks YOU have running on a daily basis YOUR site.I can only hope that when the shit hits the fan over all the minors posting and the inane subject matter that the first name on the warrant gives the nick 3Dshroom.This has NOTHING to do with the whole OTD BS but everything to do with business, absentee owners who second guess their staff show they either 1) cannot pick an employee and are poor in business,or 2)picked quality employees yet does not trust them and is poor in business.
A whole lot of BAD BUSINESS is why I quit being a mod for you,I saw too many proto-Rippers with too many stupid kids posting incriminating crap and nothing but a lame disclaimer protecting the shroomery and it's daily handlers.
Remember me approaching you about ad space? You know why I did not pursue it? OTD and ODD. I do not want any business of mine in the same company as a pic of an everted anus and "how much drammamine dude?"
So OTD is expensive in bandwidth, 3D, It may end up costing much more, like legitimate advertizers who would not buy space on your site because of the divergent range of crap posted by people who DO NOT SPEND MONEY for the most part because they live in their mom's basement.
Your gonna lose the best of this site and keep the worst.
peace,
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: whiterasta]
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i couldnt agree with Mr. Mushrooms more.

although i am totally depressed right now, in the middle
of a catathliptic phase [hope the Spirit will keep me alive
till the weekend] i have to reply.

the trees in this garden belong to ALL of us, because they
represent ideas, thoughts, laughs, cries: all ours.
because we learn and we teach at the same time from and to those
trees. and while we are happy to see a new tree planted, we feel
sad for a tree thats being burned by someone who never planted
one as we did. we cant stand watching that. so we need a gardener
to make things straight. and that gardener is already here. he can
only be the one who put the initial effort and made a vision he had
into reality. the one who made the garden, is the man who has every
right to protect the garden as he wishes.

i at the past saw myself falling in love so much with the Shroomery
that i felt like it is mine. but i am just a node like you and you and
you inside a network that makes all of us glad to participate. so
we should all concentrate in the connections between ourselves and not
with the network as a whole, if we want to make the whole be perfect.

i hope the Spirit blesses you all, this wicked night
that stars feel pain and cry at my pathetic sight.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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Quote:
The facts are these. 3DSHROOM owns the Shroomery and he can do whatever he likes. He is only human and is capable of making errors.



i think 3d did the right thing.
i think the admins who conducted this experiment acted in error.
get off your high horse Mr. Mushrooms, you belong on a donkey, jackass.

Quote:
Now, sometimes in a battle, and we are in a "drug war", a bold leader will make the wrong call and many people suffer.



Many people DID suffer, but it wasnt 3d's fault. he didnt make the call in the first place!

Quote:
That could be the case with the Shroomery in the end. In fact, I think if the trend continues the Shroomery and those affiliated with it will suffer.



Mr. Mushrooms, with your high and mighty powers of fortelling the future, will you tell me my future to?
im dying to hear it. :smirk:



 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 40oz]
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The differences are sometimes very subtle.....



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uh...

i cant see why all this flaming must go on .
i cant see why "subtle differences" must lead us to act in such a way .

i only see everyday's rough attitude, on a black horse with
yellow eyes being the way to handle things at all times .
is it so difficult to think of the others, before ourselves?
thats what will make us different. not the drugs or the shrooms.
we want to show the world that we have something to say. but
heck, we dont even know what to say to each other yet...  :crazy: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: 


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Anno said:
The differences are sometimes very subtle.....

   


:lol:
damn...that was good Anno...ill give ya that one... :grin: 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
The Shroomery is far more important than you.
I?m here for the cause, not because you are the webmaster here.


Sometimes it's hard to realize it is just a website.



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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Blasphemy :tongue:


Thats like saying your just a guy that cut's people open :tongue:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Those are just words.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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So Baby_Hitler..... I see your name in green, yet can find no forum you where you are listed as moderator. What's up?


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captian jack was one of the best mods we ever had


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: oDin]
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yeah, what happened to cj?


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Gillette]
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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It just seems that the alot of bitterness and extraneous drama comes from people thinking too much of this place.


I suggest you go see the movie "The Wave" to understand what i'm talking about.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms said:
I don't disagree with that at all.  I'll try to rent it if it is available.

I have a theory about that.  People that spend too much time on a single message board or the Internet in general are more prone to have emotional difficulties that prevent them from relating to other people in the outside world.

I was, for a time, a regular at aol's Philosophy chat room.  Then, as I always do, I moved onto something else.  Changes in my life outside the Internet forced me to move on.  It started off real neat at the chat room but over time a few people moved into it that took it for their own and made it their life.

I returned 4 years later for a visit to see if there were any changes and there weren't any.  The same sad people were posting there and they were as dysfunctional as ever.

It's sad, really.

Thanks for recommended that movie. :smile: 


I couldn't agree with that any more. I guess I am that dysfunctional sad person.  :shake:

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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Ive been posting on OTD ever since it started and I can say.. that many people, including me, have had their overall real life sanity preserved by this forum. I don't know what spawned this controversy.. but people can feel comfort in the fact that they can say ANYTHING in there. Any kind of rambles that come out of their heads no matter how weird, and usually. almost always..,. can find someone weird enough to sypathise with them.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: BrAiN]
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Thank you.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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3DSHROOM said:
Psilokitty threatened to have people hack our server.


IS SHE ONE OF THE RIP-OFF SPORECHICKS WHO HAD A SPORE SITE THAT RIPPED OFF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND SPLIT ???

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: spacemouse]
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No.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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OTD brought more trouble than good. :smile:-papaver

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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I have nothing to add except that I am happy to see the adminstration trying to improve this message board.

The same goes too.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: IC3D]
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What happened with Psillokitty? I haven't seen a peep from her in years. I actually met her in the airport once with boba_fett...

she pissed at the shroomery about something?

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said:
What happened with Psillokitty? I haven't seen a peep from her in years. I actually met her in the airport once with boba_fett...

she pissed at the shroomery about something?


I believe she was perma-banned.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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I'd like to note for the record that geokills is a
thief and he still has not returned my property.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: afoaf]
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Haha, you scoundral! 
I've been more than willing to meet halfway to exchange the paraphanalia,
but due to your lack of initiative to reacquire what was once yours,
I'm starting to have my doubts that you even want it back :smirk:
 


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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what the hell did she do?

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: BrAiN]
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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You're getting close to having "squatter's rights" on that item. :lol:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Lightningfractal]
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MR Mushroom i heard about all that. I mean why is she pissed at the shroomery? She used to be cool.. kinda

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: BrAiN]
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http://thedarkunderbelly.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1509

This is the only explination I could find.

It sounds like she threatened to attack the servers (after she was threatened)... all I see are threats. I don't think she fucked with the poll... because of geo's responses in the above link.

I don't know who to believe.

Don't really care.

This is obviously, "He said, she said."

She threatened the server, that was a BIG NoNo... but she has been blamed for more than she did.

Since she has no voice in here, I thought I'd post the link.

Disclaimer: PsiloKitten does not know me well. I do not know her well. I, probably, know Mr. Mushrooms better. I was just getting to know PK when OTD exploded.

I'll miss her, she was a cool cat in my book. I was looking foreward to more Shroomery discussion with her.

That said, she did break the rules. THAT said, she only did, after she fealt personally betrayed by the people who make the rules.

Forgiveness is a good thing.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Rose]
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I think bygones should be bygones and she should be able to post an apology and be let back in.


the whole thing went bad, I feel that nullifies her threats


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: joe666]
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>the whole thing went bad, I feel that nullifies her threats

??!


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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OK Anno,

I'm sure what Joe meant to say was the whole thing went perfectly.

:rolleyes:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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It saddens me to see that while I was on hiadis from the boards so much negativity seems to have sprung about. I hope people can learn to be better to each other, and quit trying to start trouble. Everyone chill, and have a shroomin good time.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: back_room_farmer]
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brother you don't know the half of it


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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3D mentioned something about how his chance at democracy failed.

well, way to wake up, friend. democracy dosent work when no one cares. people like to think that they can and are making a difference because... well... it feels nice. but the reality is: any popular democracies you can mention are not democracies in any way shape or form. i bring the classic example of the united states of america as my case in point. the USA fixed the votes in the bush election, went to (i avoid the word war) ass-kicking in afghanistan and iraq when THE WHOLE WORLD rallied in protest against it. they manipulate the media to blow smoke in peoples faces about the war, about drugs, about fucking everything. yet this is what people call a democracy.

it is bullshit, and as you and all the rest of us found out in this microcosm of The Shroomery: democracy just plain dosent work because there are always sad people out there who just want to fuck with other people and ruin what they have. your voter frauds are evidence of that. computer viruses are evidence of that. one might argue that the "war on drugs" is evidence of that too.

my advice is this:

if you really want to fix the shroomery, eject those malicious motherfuckers who just cause problems. and then, your problems will be solved. i am all for restricted forums, because then filtering out of baddies could be in effect. furthermore, i think that the whole site should be restricted in that way. if they cant get get along, kick 'em. of course, this might be a little more difficult to achieve in practice than in theory. banning IPs might eb an option, but the effect, i think would just be that those users with seniority would have a greater automatic respect than they do now, for those who just fuck around would be constantly ejected and would never earn their seniority . but i am on a public terminal and am out of time, so my input ends here.
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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I missed all of this entertainment.

Maybe we need to start firebombing.


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: FrozenHappiness]
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I love the smell of napalm, christmas morning! :smirk:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: ]
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This is all pretty funny. I don't even know of this forum, never posted it in, never read it really, I just got emails from geo .. and a bunch of drama and it's REALLY HARD to dissect what really went on here, of course I figured it out, and it's sort of a bad management scenario.

There's so much "emotion" here that it impairs your judgement to a large degree.

>And it is also believed, by some,
>that she used puppets to destroy a
>poll that was to decide the future of OTD.

No drama.

A lot of you guys seem to be having issues with your place in society, or something like that. Like you're actively so disgusted by what you see that you simply fail to function on anything but an emotional level.

Not that I'm saying everybody should conform, but you should at least realize where you stand and be happy with it. Be comfortable in your own skin.

This forum seems to propagate a lot of drama, which is pretty interesting. It's a simple issue, that doesn't really need this "community forum" feel of it to exist. LOL everybody here thinks they have say, so they're letting their emotions come out ...

Speak with logic instead people.

It's logical to assume that there is an actual threat when someone threatens your server. Never assume a threat is dormant.

It's also logical to think that if a forum is going to cause actual legal issues for the owner, or financial issues (bandwidth consumption, etc), then that would enable the forum to be expeditatedly taken away with, or put on a "toll" basis... You could of cours e take other measures, and make the forum "hidden" -- although I don't see anyone explaining to me what hidden really means.

There has to be some catalyst driving this reaction... What is so bad about this forum that it has to go?

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Jack001]
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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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I was one of those adamant about closing OTD but it is a popular forum and I was told it will never go away. I'm gladdened to see that at least it's being considered.

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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: mr freedom]
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Who cares?


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Well you cared enough to open up this thread again :rolleyes:


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: geokills]
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Damn, is this old thread still around? :smirk:2


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Re: Project OTD: An Apology and Explanation [Re: Anno]
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  Life's too short to deal with voter fraud and other negative bull-shit.. I haven't been in the shroom scene for a while, but I'm back and I'm here to offer support and good luck. Peace! :cool:


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