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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: TheHateCamel]
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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: TheHateCamel]
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The problem is that new, black members will not stick around long enough to sort it out. They could quite easily mistake your "harmless racist speech" for the "real hate speech". Do you really want to take the chance? What if Moe Howard had decided to leave the Shroomery after 3 posts because of your "tongue in cheek"?

Black people don't usually eat magic mushrooms. Any who do, and who come here to post, I propose should be allowed to post in peace.

I don't want to talk to just you racists. I'm certain countless good people have already left here because of OTD and it's racism, and that's a damn shame.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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So you've done some studies on this, then? You are lashing out agansit vocal racism here (even though you cannot seem to even define what it is), and then you make statements that are actually racist such as "black people don't usually eat mushrooms". :rolleyes:

Want to substantiate your baseless claims?


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Lightningfractal said:
The problem is that new, black members will not stick around long enough to sort it out. They could quite easily mistake your "harmless racist speech" for the "real hate speech".


As long as they are able to read then there is no problem.

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This forum contains content that many will find extremely offensive. Such material includes grotesque imagery, vocal racism, and generally disrespectful behavior. While some of our guidelines are relaxed, we do reserve the right to enforce them at any time. All views are those of their author and are in no way endorsed by the Shroomery.


At worst, we'll have black people not participating in the OTD forum, but that is their decision. We've already had users who are black inform us that what occurs in OTD is not as nearly as bad as people who are not black campaigning for their rights as far as OTD is concerned, so you might consider dropping this baseless proposition.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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OTD is a place of anarchy, when you go in there you know what you're getting into, or at least you should before clicking to get in.

What I don't like is that the people who "play" racist in OTD more and more often are using that kind of material when they're in the Pub, or elsewhere on the site.

If it were just OTD than I sure would still not like it, but it wouldn't be an issue to me. The problem is that OTD is spilling over, as demonstrated by Hanky who calls another member a nigger in this very thread.

The surest way to lose a right is to systematically abuse it.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If it were just OTD than I sure would still not like it, but it wouldn't be an issue to me. The problem is that OTD is spilling over, as demonstrated by Hanky who calls another member a nigger in this very thread.



If this is a case, then we have moderators who are not effectively handling the situations being presented. If OTD is spilling over into other forums, then it is being implied that the rules of these other forums are being violated.

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The surest way to lose a right is to systematically abuse it.


Yes, but what the right to post in OTD is not what is being systematically abused - the right to post in other forums is. If someone is making abusive, racist statements in other forums, then moderators need to be using the system in place to handle them. If a member, for example, systematically violates the rules in The Pub by posting OTD-style material, then they need to be processed and, if it is persistent, banned from that forum.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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Nice try. Now try this on for size. Number one, in my own experience I have seen that the black people I know are usually not interested in psychedelics. Some are, but they are few.

This is the reason, I believe, why the racism is so unchecked in OTD. But we should stop relying on black people's basic disinterest in magic musgrooms as an excuse to allow racist speech here. That's because THERE ARE some black people who do like mushrooms, but half of them probably leave after viewing the racism.

Asking me repeatedly what constitutes racist speech is an interesting ploy. I would say that using the word "Nigger" (not Nigga), is the start of it, and then it continues on when black people are stereotyped. (Nigger stole my T.V., etc.).

Me saying that "most black people don't like musrooms", while at the same time wishing to extend a warm welcome to any who do, I don't believe qualifies as racist.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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OTD is a community forum that has nothing to do with cultivating mushrooms. If someone doesn't like what goes on in there, they can stay out. There are tons of other forums to use.

I, for one, don't appreciate you or anyone else enforcing their morality on me.

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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Sure it does, it is a generalized statement of the nature of a group of people based solely upon the race of that group of people. You are judging the qualities and nature of individual human beings based upon their race or ethnicity, and it is a racist act.

Using the term "nigger" in itself is not a racist statement. Saying that "a nigger stole my tv" is not stereotyping. Saying that all niggers steal tvs is racism, or saying that white people are better than black people is racism.

There is no problem and you are stepping up on a soap box to proclaim that there is. Anyone with half a brain will read the disclaimer underneath the link for OTD and realize that what happens in OTD does not represent the feel and vibe of the site as a whole.

I wonder how many black people have left this website because of what happens in OTD. Zero. How many are going to leave in the future because of what happens in OTD? Zero. Unless you demonstrate to us that there is actually a problem that needs to be dealt with, then there is no reason to consider censoring a forum just because it upsets you personally.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
If OTD is spilling over into other forums, then it is being implied that the rules of these other forums are being violated.



Then we ought to confine Hanky to OTD, because everytime he steps out of there he leaves a big steaming pile of poo behind him.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: schmutzen]
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If you see him violating any specific rule of the forum in which he is posting in, then I would advise you to utilize the notify moderator function. I believe he just served some ban time from The Pub, so its not as though these concerns are not addressed.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Lightningfractal said:
It's time we face the fact that racism isn't cool, and it isn't cool in conversations either. The rest of the world has rejected racism, and we should catch up with them, it's the 21st century.

Therefore, I'm requesting that the "vocal racism" aspect of OTD to be removed from the list of allowable OTD behaviors.

We just plain don't need racism anywhere on the site. Wouldn't you agree?



no it shouldnt

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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: KingOftheThing]
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It looks like photobucket finally got sick of your signature. :tongue:

Perhaps I've misjudged you, kott. :thumbup:


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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Using the term "nigger" in itself is not a racist statement. Saying that "a nigger stole my tv" is not stereotyping. Saying that all niggers steal tvs is racism, or saying that white people are better than black people is racism.



How about "calling somebody an asshole isn't in itself a flame because you could well be referring to their anal passage"

Oh please. Go read the entire Wikipedia article on the word "nigger" like I did last night.

Nigger and nigga are racist words.

brother/sister/nigger
brotha/sista/nigga

Changing the letters of a word does not change its meaning.
Y'all still means "you all" even though its written differently.

If I call someone an assshole with three S, isn't that still a flame?
Sure it is.

nigga, nigra, niggar.. we all know what is being intended.

Such wordplay to kinda legalize racism is utter childishness.


In some areas of australia it is common to call a friend a cunt. If Hanky were to go in the Pub and called people cunts there, he would be banned for flaming even though he is from australia. Why? Well, because it's a rather obvious ploy to troll people. The same is true with most of the use of forms of the word nigger, except with that there's a culture of people getting away with it.


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I wonder how many black people have left this website because of what happens in OTD. Zero. How many are going to leave in the future because of what happens in OTD? Zero.


Prove the validity of that rather bold statement. I know of several people who identified themselves as black and who left because of the racism here. This is the same reason why many girls aren't comfortable here. Girls can be very comfortable on male-majority websites, but the Shroomery seems to drive them off to places like Mycotopia for one reason or another.

Let's leave the racism in OTD, for those who feel the need to be racist and those who chose to be exposed to such kind of things.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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I truly don't understand the Shroomery administration's policy of telling people they are permanently banned....and then letting them back in! It would seem there ARE no permanent bans around here. Just wait, I'll bet 2experimental/flowstone/kerbouchard will be back in a couple of months. If he's not already here...

So, how about we get rid of this troublemaker once and for all? Or is he still sucking ythan's dick?

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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: adrug]
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I have never been permabanned. So why not just mind your own business please. You're wrong.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
How about "calling somebody an asshole isn't in itself a flame because you could well be referring to their anal passage"


Yeah, calling someone an asshole is flame, as well as calling someone a nigger is a flame. However, to quote the dictionary as to what constitutes racism:

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rac·ism      /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. 

rac·ism      (rā'sĭz'əm)  Pronunciation Key 
n. 
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

racism

noun
1.  the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 
2.  discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race 

racism


The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society. Until the breakthroughs achieved by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, white domination over blacks was institutionalized and supported in all branches and levels of government, by denying blacks their civil rights and opportunities to participate in political, economic, and social communities.


Using the word "nigger" does not, in itself, constitute the view that black people are inferior to other races. It does not, in itself, signify hatred or intolerance of black people. One could debate that it is an act of abuse towards a specific race but that depends on the specific instance in which it is used.

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Such wordplay to kinda legalize racism is utter childishness.


A word in itself conveys nothing. The intention and the motivation of its usage is what determines whether or not it is a racist statement. When one uses such a word, it is nonetheless open to speculation, as one cannot automatically assume one's intention and motivation in using that word, especially if there is no context in which to place it that demonstrates intent and motivation. This is precisely why we have a disclaimer that states that the content of the forum may be offensive.

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The same is true with most of the use of forms of the word nigger, except with that there's a culture of people getting away with it.


Maybe Australians just don't use the word the same way as others might? Language is an interesting phenomenon. The letters we make and the tones we give them by themselves mean nothing. Clearly, in forums such as The Pub, we err on the side of respect for everyone and prohibit the use of words that could constitute "flames", regardless of intent. The same applies to the P&S forum and I have no qualms with enforcing the rule - it makes sense to do so.

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Prove the validity of that rather bold statement. I know of several people who identified themselves as black and who left because of the racism here. This is the same reason why many girls aren't comfortable here. Girls can be very comfortable on male-majority websites, but the Shroomery seems to drive them off to places like Mycotopia for one reason or another.


And I personally know of none, which is why I asked LF to substantiate his, as of yet, baseless claim. You simply cannot control the fact that there will be users that will be highly sensitive to a wide variety of things. In order to reasonably accomodate these people as well as those who like to express themselves in manners that might be objectionable to others, we create a forum for such offensive behavior, post a disclaimer, and strictly enforce rules such as no flaming in other forums.

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Let's leave the racism in OTD, for those who feel the need to be racist and those who chose to be exposed to such kind of things.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Is that so?


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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A word in itself conveys nothing. The intention and the motivation of its usage is what determines whether or not it is a racist statement.




And since no mod is god-like to know the real intentions of a poster who posts those words associated with racism, we should restrain from using the words so as to avoid any misunderstandings.


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Re: Vocal racism should be removed from OTD.. [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Is that so?


Uh, yeah? Why would I lie about something so easily verifiable? Give me some credit man. :nonono:


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