Veritas said:

Well, no good reason. 

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Correct.

QbanMoJo said:

psilocyberin said:

you see, you think the "rules of religion" follow the same parameters as the christian faith: putting in a few hours of due time a week and reverting back to a hedonistic slob the other 6 days of the week.... ad infinitum. Rigid lines of what is good and bad, right and wrong, and that by "witnessing" to someone else, you have gone above and beyond your call of duty as a christian and made a sacrifice for what is deemed the "good" of the overall faith.
You have made your own rules up and awarded yourself points....
Many of the "bigger" religions forbid even the slightest entertaining of alternate beliefs, yet they all have a sub clause of mandatory proselytizing.

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I stand corrected, for the most part. I must not state faith, my faith, as fact. Soliciting is wrong. God, for all we know, is fictional. But Good, IS NOT, only to those who choose not to believe.

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Good could be just as fictional as God.

Good and bad are simply constructs of the mind, which is generally full of shit anyway  .  For all we know, we are just a chemical reaction.  Just mold, cancer, or bacteria growing on the living organism of Earth.  Do you ask bacteria what is good or bad? 

TrippinNinjaBuddha said:

Good could be just as fictional as God.

Good and bad are simply constructs of the mind, which is generally full of shit anyway  .  For all we know, we are just a chemical reaction.  Just mold, cancer, or bacteria growing on the living organism of Earth.  Do you ask bacteria what is good or bad? 

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If there is anything anyone can prove is that there IS right and wrong, Good and Bad.

Now, to answer your question, bacteria can not communicate with us, at least not with words. That doesnt mean they dont communicate, with actions, and if you pay close attention, you can tell the good beneficial bacteria from the bad harmful bacteria. This applies for all things, its a matter of listening, in every sense of the word.

One more thing, if I may, dont believe that our minds are full of one thing, it is way more than just that.

Hope I have made some sense. Thank You.

TrippinNinjaBuddha said:

Ok.  PROVE TO ME THAT THERE IS RIGHT AND WRONG, GOOD AND BAD.

Good/beneficial bacteria, or bad/harmful bacteria just depends on your perspective.  Same with good/bad.

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Ok. No need to use CAPS. I can explain as far as my knowledge will allow me at the moment.

Simply, from the human perspective, not just mine, a harmful bacteria would cause us to get sick. A beneficial bacteria, once again in the human perspective, would not cause us to get sick and in some way help us.

Now, since my scientific knowledge is limited, I can not make specific examples but if you ask the right people, they will agree that there are two forms of bacteria, good and bad.

I will agree with you on one thing, it is a matter of perspective. A Good person/subject will see things differently than a bad person/subject. Sometimes so much that a "bad" person wont consider what they do bad, but in no way will that make their decisions Good, most of all if they are just denying the fact, if they are in disbelief.

Veritas said:

I had an interesting experience with some Jehovah's Witnesses about 10 years ago.

They knocked on my door, wanted to come in and discuss God's plan (or something like that).  I told them that I was not religious, and that I was quite happy with my belief system AND my long distance service, so I was not interesting in switching over at this time.    I was not rude to them (I'm sure they were shocked), and they were brave enough to inquire as to what my beliefs were.

I explained my ideas about the energetic nature of material life, and the ways in which I enact those ideas in my daily activities.  I said that I felt quite fulfilled in my "best guess" version of Why We Are Here and What is the Meaning of IT All.

They were very respectful, and said that they wished me well, and that I was welcome in their church anytime.  They left without leaving any pamphlets or offering ANY sermons.

A few weeks later, I was moving & they happened by again.  Not only did they refrain from any mention of religion, they offered to help me move!  They even said that they would call members of their church to come over and help.  I had six friends coming over already, so I declined, but I was impressed by their attitude. 

They seemed entirely accepting of my professed beliefs, and dropped their agenda once they knew that I was not "lost" and searching.  They also generously offered aid at a later date, knowing that I was not a seeker who would join their flock.

Very Christ-like, IMO. 

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Well, no good reason.

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fireworks_god said:

If it is a matter of perspective, than its existance lies dependant upon that perspective, and does not lie inherent in reality itself.

That's his point, and yours is that we are capable of defining a system of categorization relative to ourselves. He's saying that the categorization does not actually exist, beyond our own perspective.

Essentially, you are both right. Bacteria is not concerned with the nature of its actions, nature is so that it acts. Your point is that good and bad exist, but as an illusion.

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No, what I meant by perspective was that it pertains to each individual subject. It applies differently to each subject, what is "good" for one thing can be "bad" for another. For example, mythologically speaking, Peace is a Good thing right? Well, guess what? The "devil", whatever you think that may be, might not see it the same way and neither do his disciples.

Good and bad is not an illusion, not in this world that we live in at least. What is truly Good, is. The same goes for what is bad, denying it just covers up everything that is involved in it, to the observer and to the applier. Even denying that something is truly Good, makes it seem like it is truly not. I wish I could explain this further but obviously my writing is restricted for the moment. Just try to think of how you feel every single day and apply that to a spectrum. One side being Happy, Good, and the other being sad, bad. Those who believe in Good, in all its sense, will find it easier to live life on that side of the spectrum for most of their life and vice versa.

Thank You for your time. Peace, Love, Understanding, are the roads to take.