Telepylus said:

there are alot of absolute shitheads
and extreme dumbasses

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i think it's funny you are calling them out
when you are a classic example, evident in 95% of your posts

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what the fuck is this demon baby head stickman jacking off about?
that avatar is absolutely repugnant and extremely annoying.

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can you write a complete sentence that applies to Spirituality or Philosophy?
if so, please do it, or shut the fuck up

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Fospher said:

1. I can argue whatever I please. I dont always believe in what I argue, often I have alterior reasons. I might do it to better understand the opposite side of the fence. I might do it to generate a response, to probe information by challenging the other's belief. I might do it to challenge the argument, to question the moral precepts of the one arguing. Or, perhaps my argument goes farther than you currently see it, and indeed those two points do not contradict.

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Do you believe that a red is not a red? That you can define your own car's color just by wishing it? Please notify me once you have the power to paint by thought, I might have a business proposal.

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Now, as I have said before, there are no contradictions. The point of irrationality is what all rationality is built upon. It is like this in Math, in Logic, in Reality. In geometry, everything is built upon logic. Links connecting the substeps of rational analysis. If a is b and b is c, then a = c. For example, a triangle is three lines, forming together so the angles make up 180 degrees. A line is the shortest path from one point to another. But what is a point? Euclidian Geometry accepts it as an axiom, a 'thing' that has only position, but no further definition. It is not proved and is an initial necessary consensus for the theory building or acceptation.

So just like in Euclidian Geometry, a point is the core, so is the Mystical experience in Reality. It is the divine core of all existence, it is where everything comes from, the connection of all and none. It is the seed from which the tree is planted. The tree, the tree of life, follows logic at every corner, but the seed, the axiom on which it is built on, cannot be explained.

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Telepylus said:

of course there are absolutes and extremes, and that is what builds existence and reality.
it just depends on what dimensional levels your working with.

the singularity, duality, and trinity are absolute forces which build mathematics, geometry, and consciousness.

in the singularity there are no extremes because there is only ONEness.
as soon as you enter duality(the world) everything is split into male/female positive/negative light/dark, good/bad. and these are extremes-
sure, they are illusionary when viewed from the singularity.
but while we are in the world, they most certainly are very real and tangible to us- and absolutes in the equations of transmuting variables.

every once and awhile a person can eat LSD, and start writing some stream of consciousness crap like "i am everything"
and it's actually very beautiful and enlightening- this is rare, but it happens.

personally i'd rather enjoy reading some acidheads garbled vision of unity over some malconent skeptic who refuses to see past his own nose, and rather than trying to produce something insightful himself instead attempts to point out the inevitable flaws in all psuedo-sciences.

and i guess the point is, instead of talking about what is stupid or wrong, try to focus on what is smart and right, and build upon that.

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psilocyberin said:

I agree with this. I do it often, but these two points are contradicting. According to you, you are either nothing, or everything, and the belief in absolutes cannot sustain duality.
When I do argue for the sake of argument and alternative viewpoints, I make sure not to contradict myself, and especially dont feel the need to make a pre-emptive strike towards shutting down a rebuttal which obviously points out that flaw.

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...once again, present isness is not the same thing as absolute. Besides, thinking that there is only monochrome is quite narrow minded. The whole "is a zebra white with black stripes or black with white stripes" is somewhat of a Koan...

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If the car were absolute red, that would mean that every single particle, which would have to cover every single part of the car, would have to be a uniform density of the vague description "Red", which I doubt any car (except in THEORY: remember that?) could claim.

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Then why use any descriptive term to begin with? The only way to achieve this state is in a perfect virtual computer reality. By defining reality, we set form to existence. If someone would ask you to describe the color of the Corvette, what would you say?



We accept this state as an absolute because the deviation of the color of particles is unpragmatic to differentiate.

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what bearing does this have on the conversation at hand? also, if you would like to get into math, how about a more "on topic" concept such as... absolute values?

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show me objective negative distance if you want to continue with this silly defense of absolute duality.

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Fospher said:

When playing devil's advocate, the true intent will eventually come out in future retorts. It is not what you truly believe in, so at one point or another, you will have to contradict yourself. This is not the case in this thread.

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Then why use any descriptive term to begin with?

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The only way to achieve this state is in a perfect virtual computer reality.

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By defining reality, we set form to existence. If someone would ask you to describe the color of the Corvette, what would you say?

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We accept this state as an absolute because the deviation of the color of particles is unpragmatic to differentiate.

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I would explain the link, but I think it would do us both better if you actually read it.

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Is this your rebuttal to my allusion? Because that really doesnt have to do with any aspect of this discussion. Distance only covers non-negative reals.

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psilocyberin said:

probably not, but I have no doubt that the point of my thread has been understood.... maybe not agreed with though.

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Perhaps they understand the position you have taken on some matter, but I'm not so sure that it is clear that your position is reflective of the reality of what you are referring to. It is hard to discern as it exists more as a strawman than as a representation of certain posts and what they contain. I understand your conclusion, but am not sure if it is valid because I have no clue what the conclusion stems from. In that way, it is rather vauge.

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Also, how is it vague when the phrase in question was quoted?
I have seen more than one person say that phrase in here, as well as many other absolute dualities.

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Well, certainly, some discussion has resulted pertaining to the phrase, but I'm simply stating that it is rather unclear what the phrase was utilized in response to. You were proposing an analysis of posts in this forum in a general manner, and I find it vauge, as I am not sure what posts are being referred to, or, if it was intended to be a general analysis not associated with any particular thread, what relevance or grounding it has.

psilocyberin said:

maybe it could have been better stated as "i think the overly-esoteric threads which seem to prey on hopes of being mysteriously profound have no substance and are teh poo".

I think my possible vagueness was stemming from an attempt to curb my cynicism and assholeness.

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I think it might be one of those things that should be left for each individual to contemplate on their own (their judgement on whether or not others' threads have content), instead of something that is discussed within the forum. It always seems to lead to trouble...

I mean, hell, if something doesn't clearly violate the rules and offers some philosophical and spiritual content to discuss, then by all means, as long as the discussion is productive and doesn't continue to veer towards that first condition. It just feels as though we should be discussing something, instead of one's general judgement on something that exists within the thread itself as more of a strawman than anything of substance.

These are just the thoughts that I'm contemplating at the moment, certainly not completely representative of any official stance or anything. Just stoned as hell and interacting with some ideas.