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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3135106 - 09/14/04 03:53 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Again, that is within your perception, not an objective contradiction as no such thing exists :smile:


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3135164 - 09/14/04 04:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

How do you become okay with believing in opposites bot being right?

now that is exactly what i tried to say, you don't belive in neither!
you just aknowled the two beliefs,  not as the truth, nor as a belief, but shared information, added to the ever flowing stream of combined words :wink:

i find myself perceiving multi perceptually whit out believing in a single one of them. i simply don't know, hence i make no conclusions.
opposites bot being right. but no more right than they may be wrong from another persons view.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3135218 - 09/14/04 04:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

reminds me of the book "to kill a mockingbird". good read btw.

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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3135820 - 09/14/04 06:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

We are life and matter, Immortal and mortal together all thoughts trying to perceive these contadict,because they themself contradict. Existence is perception and it contradicts, nothing doesnt but in a way it does, because it product is everything.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3135837 - 09/14/04 06:37 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

contradiction is a human thing
the mind tries to fit square pegs in round holes
language creates barriers in thought


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: Clean]
    #3135841 - 09/14/04 06:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

^

Exactly :smile:. There are no true contradictions besides those in faulty logic


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: deff]
    #3135862 - 09/14/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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deff said:
Again, that is within your perception, not an objective contradiction as no such thing exists :smile:




I agree with that but I want to add something. When you are saying that objective contradiction does not exist, you are using your perception to think that. So that cancels itself. There may be objective contradiction and we can't get it due to limited perception. What do you think? Basically I think that the greatest idea that our minds can reach is infinity. Infinity as on what the conclusion is on what we said above.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: Shroomerious]
    #3135887 - 09/14/04 06:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Even the concept of infinity is in turn created by our finite brains.

This is of course all theoretical, and I admit that I am 100% a subjective being (hence my location :smile:), and therefor cannot say for certain what qualities would exist in an objective state.

However, just through your own thought process, one can determine (or atleast for me :wink:) that all previously considered contradictions can be ruled out by further logic and reasoning. As well, my view on objectivity is that it is ceaseless and infinite void. No perception of it can exist, as it becomes subjective. Therefore, if nothing is the only truly objective state - there would lie no contradictions within.

Plus, contradictions, like everything else we experience are just that - characteristics of the human experience - a fragment of our mind's immense processing. Escaping this leaves nothing behind perceptually.

Basically, experience cannot contradict itself outside of analyzing it and applying improper logic. This I'm fairly confident on, but like all things I "know" - I take very lightly.

These are all my views though and I can't stress that enough. Sorry if it sounded like I was coming off as knowing true objectivity. But think of this, our perception and interpretation of objectivity exists within the subjective landscape of our mind. Is this even objective then, but then - what are we comparing this false objectivity to if we do not know the real thing. It can be quite the mind scramble - that is - to try and look outside subjectivity and into the void.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: deff]
    #3135934 - 09/14/04 07:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The only non-contradiction is all is god, god is all.

For existence to be there has to be a balance e.g.

+ O -
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the O is neutrality.
The + and - represent different things all the time.
The only non contradicting truth is that O is always the creator and the + and - are products which are part of the creator.

If things didnt contradict then life would be boring it would be one sided.
Imagine life one sided ... be thankful things contradict the way they do , to become balanced you must contradict.... if all karma were good how would we return to the source? no bad karma to balance it out.

contradiction isnt a bad thing, its variety.

Even non faulty logic contradicts for it is a product of a contradictory being, your spirit contradicts your body which cancel each other out.
And i dont think people consider, considering everything the creator, logic.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: OOISI]
    #3136018 - 09/14/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

This is your perception of existence, not objective existence itself. Well I can't offer anything better (outside my subjectivity), I will say that "God" = Objective, so you already covered this in a way :smile:

You could say that our subjective perception requires polar opposites in order to classify their value, however I would be hesitant to say this applies outside your perception.

I like what you said about zero being the center and also being the encompassing whole of polar opposites though. That I can agree on for sure, that within zero there are inifinite possible values (ie 0 * 1 * 2 * 3* 4 * 5 = 0 * 6 * 7 = 0 ect), but realize that this too is within our own framework of logic. I actually have been toying with a theory of mine that places the center of everything as the outside, zero becoming the infinite in a way, but it probably doesn't make sense to anyone else heh.

Meditate. Notice any contradictions? :smile:


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: deff]
    #3136499 - 09/14/04 09:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Deff, once again we totally agree. I dig that.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3136827 - 09/14/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I was thinking that semantics may be a big part of the problem that causes conflicts to ensue, but it can also be a solution where it is the problem.

Let's say you come out in an affirmative and say "This is this" You may have been meaning that in this case, I see it this way or take this viewpoint into the greastest consideration, in this case for these reasons.

But you didn't and you come under attack. Here's where conditioning comes into play. When you come under attack, you may conditioned to counter attack and the conflict begins.

Had you first said , it can be seen or considered this way, or one way of looking at it is.... there is less chance you will come under attack and constructive problem solving will ensue.

If you remove yourself from counter attack conditioning, then when you slip up and say, this is this, you can realise that it is not YOU under attack and offer other perpsectives or considerations to keep things moving in a constructive manor.


At the same time, we can stop assuming that when someone speaks in affirmative, that it is the only way they have seen or considered something to be so. maybe we should should ask first before jumping to conclusiions and going to war.

Just some more suggestions to the cause.


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Re: Hey! Multidimensionals on Contradictions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3138200 - 09/15/04 10:14 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

yeah! nice read :wink: hehe
-if we can stop assuming (i feel i have) and stop making conclusiions......


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