Silversoul said:

Ravus said:

In reality, there are no absolutes or extremes.

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Except for that absolute statement you just made.

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I said, "in reality", not absolutely. I'm sure in non-real places existence can take an absolute or extreme setting.

Ravus said:

Icelander said:

Ravus said:

For the "I am everything, I am nothing" statements, either the people have nothing worthwhile to say, or, less likely, they're visiting the Shroomery on high doses of LSD that have warped their brains so much that meaningless statements actually begin to reflect the true nature of reality. Either way, they're not communicating anything to anyone besides themselves.

In reality, there are no absolutes or extremes. Existence is not extreme, but rather extreme is a label of certain states of existence that are perfectly natural and universal.

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You must be refering to me. I can realate to feeling connected to everything and also sensing the illusory nature of the so called self.

Saying one is everything and nothing is a vain attempt to comprehend the Tao or the limitless void. Everyone gives it a shot at some point I guess. There is nothing wrong with that.

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Actually, I wasn't referring to any specific person. I've seen many people write posts like that, and I've spoken to a lot of people in real life who like to rattle off gibberish. In real life, I simply try to force them to delve into the basis and root of their statements. Most people I'm content if you can extract a single drop of logic from an entire forest of beliefs and thoughts that don't make any sense, that don't seem to logically fit together. I think a lot of people mistaken for spirituality simply have a dysfunction in their neurons that causes their mind to mistake imaginary gaps in knowledge for open territory in insisting the truth for their fantastic bridges of faith.

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Ravus said:

For the "I am everything, I am nothing" statements, either the people have nothing worthwhile to say, or, less likely, they're visiting the Shroomery on high doses of LSD that have warped their brains so much that meaningless statements actually begin to reflect the true nature of reality.

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I have had those posts, and always will. Even looking back at my previous philosophy, I sometimes wonder what was going through my mind at the time. Then I trip and find out again!

The thing is, those wholistic experiences, that do not have to be drug-induced, and are just experiences of transcendece, cannot have a rational explanation. It just hits you like a lighting bolt, that connection to everyone and everything. You cant explain it to someone who hasn't experienced it, because it is not a rational experience. It is the experience of God, and explaining what God is would only define your beliefs into boundaries that dont exist in the first place. It is the root, the seed, the axiom. It is accepted because there is no explanation.

psilocyberin said:

Im seeing way too many threads that are pure babble tied together with polarized extremes.

I dont want to call any people out personally, but if you skim most of the last 20 threads you will see what I am talking about.

Im not saying extremes arent useful, but some of you need to stop with the esoteric, extreme duality.

ill concede though that maybe it is my harsh skepticism of such statements as "I am everything, I am nothing"... type crap.

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psilocyberin said:

Your car can be red, then it IS red, but it is not absolutely red...

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I also have issue with the esoteric quality of such explanations as yours which accompany justification of "I am everything, i am nothing". Im not in anyway trying to have a contest to see who has licked the face of God the most or the hardest, but in my thousands of trips and all gradients of intensity, I have never had the notion or cognition of "i am everything, I am nothing", nor have I ever claimed "we are all one" (because, doesn't we denote more than one? unless you are a queen?).

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psilocyberin said:

absolute does not equal "Is". How can you sit here and defend the thesis of absolute duality herein known as "I am everything, I am nothing" and claim that something either IS this, or it Is that?

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Telepylus said:

can you write a complete sentence that applies to Spirituality or Philosophy?
if so, please do it, or shut the fuck up

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At least he can write a complete sentence in general. 

Fospher said:

The thing is, those wholistic experiences, that do not have to be drug-induced, and are just experiences of transcendece, cannot have a rational explanation. It just hits you like a lighting bolt, that connection to everyone and everything. You cant explain it to someone who hasn't experienced it, because it is not a rational experience. It is the experience of God, and explaining what God is would only define your beliefs into boundaries that dont exist in the first place. It is the root, the seed, the axiom. It is accepted because there is no explanation.

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wow I agree, well said   
That also goes for all direct human experiences, how can one ever explain a human experience of any kind on any level? It's hard enough to even understand the people we love the most.