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DoctorJ


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fools who cast their stones
#5609967 - 05/09/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I live in Texas, the land of the bigoted inbred hick. God put me here to do his work, but sometimes it can be so hard.
today, I walked into a restaraunt full of elderly, church-going type folks. All I got from them were disapproving stares and negative energy. I could literally feel the fear in the room. I don't like fear, especially when it is directed at me.
I was reminded of the scene from the bible where Jesus asks those who are without blame to cast the first stone.
when all the people wanted to stone this poor girl, Jesus sat writing in the sand. What was he writing? He was writing the word 'fools'.
Jesus did get angry a few times when he was here. He was not above that. He was angry when he threw the money-changers out of his temple as well.
Today, I felt the stones of a dozen angry glares, and I became angry. I don't like being angry. It makes me say and do and think stupid things.
For I do not hate these people, indeed I love them, though I consider their minds troubled, their rituals empty, and their spirits malnourished.
Why do they hate me? I wish they could know how hard I have tried to reach out to them. I wish they could understand my tough love, as I have understood theirs.
I may from time to time, say harsh things about actions that I do not agree with. But I try my hardest not to judge the people who commit those actions. I understand that their perspective is hampered by the circumstances of their upbringing. But why can they not understand the same of me?
I have often been accused of being the antichrist. that really hurts. look people, I'm just a crazy little kid with a few things to say. If Jesus were to come down from heaven in all of his glory, I would not stand in his way! Indeed, I would be cheering him on, and laying myself at his service.
But still, fools cast their stones. they are scared of my darkness, and I am annoyed by theirs. Why can't we just all get along?
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5610016 - 05/09/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's ok dude, maybe you misunderstood them....
Perhaps you had a big ole' whopper of a booger precariously hangin' off yer~ nose, and they were all afraid it was going to fall off into their food....?
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5610044 - 05/09/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I live in Texas, the land of the bigoted inbred hick. God put me here to do his work, but sometimes it can be so hard.
the only work god wants you to do, is on yourself. its all u can do. have faith that when your so high from working on yourself, that everyone will get a little bit higher off your karma.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5610077 - 05/09/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For I do not hate these people, indeed I love them, though I consider their minds troubled, their rituals empty, and their spirits malnourished.
Ok, sorry to jack this thread so early, but like, I need to know what kind of rituals you do that fill you, feed your spirit. Taking the time to just sit and stare at the night sky, or think about whatever floats through my head really improve my mood. I don't understand it, but it does.
Can you like, put crystals on your skin and open portals to speak with entities that know the future? Or something? Cuz I'd pay to be able to do that. Hell, I'd settle for controlling fire or something.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5610086 - 05/09/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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no, these people all basically looked like they wanted to kill me. like they were utterly disgusted with me. these are people I have never met.
most of the times, I don't care what other people think, but today really got to me. these people use their own faulty logic against me. they judge and judge and judge some more. I wonder how their boss feels about them taking over his job?
why can hardcore christians be so judgemental and hateful, and what do they expect to accomplish that way? why do they not understand the teachings of their own faith despite rigorous adherence to it?
Normally, I try not to think about these people so much, but every now and then I have to, and its really depressing.
these are the same people who sent many innocent women to death in the salem witch trials. When I think of all the destruction and evil that has been committed in Jesus name, I shed a tear for him, and his wayward followers.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5610333 - 05/09/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why do they hate me? If what you say is true then those looks come from fear much more than hate. But you don't need to be loved by anyone but yourself.
Let me tell you. IMO this is the hardest and most important lesson we need to learn here on planet earth. I have struggled to learn this lesson for fifty some years and I really never made much progress in my happiness or spirituality until I got my first real glimpse of self acceptance. I still struggle with this. I so often don't like the things I do or how I treat others or live my time out here on earth. Let me say I could easily choose to consider myself a failure and dip deeply into self loathing and depression. Now I am working on another way. Unconditional self acceptance good and bad, high and low, weak and strong, wrong and right, loving and hating, fearing and facing. LOVE, it's the hardest and most perfect gift you can ever give yourself and you have to give it to yourself first and foremost. And the extent to which you love and accept yourself as you are is the exact extent to which you can give love into the world and work for that much needed healing.
So let them feel fear and accept that and accept yourself and all your reactions to their fear. That's the important thing here IMO.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5611653 - 05/10/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: If Jesus were to come down from heaven in all of his glory, I would not stand in his way! Indeed, I would be cheering him on, and laying myself at his service.
Somewhere in the Bible, the state of the days of tribulation are described as "confusion", which is probably the best word you can describe it with. A lot of people mean well, but the "evil" comes from being confused about what is what. In christiam mythology, people are corrupted by means of trickery. Even those who are not "bad seed" like Adam and Eve can be corrupted by simple confusion. So as a christian, you can't really be certain that you are not among those who would be fooled at those times. Certainly, only a few would willingly say: hey lets be evil, lets work for the antichrist. Most would think they are doing real gods work while setting ground for "the beast" As the saying goes "The path to hell is paved with good intentions"
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I feel your pain Doctor J, every minute of every day.
I live in texas too, man. I got long hippy hair, I actually look sort of like Jesus, but do you think the "christians"(they can call themselves that all they want but they are not) think that? NO they go oh look its another drug dealer. I get horrible looks all day long. I talk to them politely anyways, adn get them to smile if I can. Most people at least in my small town have taken to me. The worst is going into a big city. People dont care about anyone but themselves in city, and it makes me uncomfortable.
God didnt put us here to work only on ourselves, whoever said that, that goes against everything in the bible. God wants us to love each other, you cannot love someone and seperate yourself from them. Peace
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: blaze2]
#5611964 - 05/10/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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God didnt put us here to work only on ourselves, whoever said that, that goes against everything in the bible. God wants us to love each other, you cannot love someone and seperate yourself from them. Peace
If you're refering to my comments I never said that. This is often a misunderstanding when I talk about self love. When you love and accept your self then it is completely natural to love others.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: Icelander]
#5612102 - 05/10/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea, Jesus said: Love your neighbour like you love yourself
with the above taken into account, you can only love others as much as you love yourself.
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Yes, that's it.
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Ok, that's pretty close to the golden rule: treat other how you would want to be treated.
Now, I have a problem with that. It's really just semantics, but it changes the meaning. It should read, Treat others how they would want you to treat them. I mean, there are a lot of different people out there with a lot of different ideas about how to properly treat each other.
Let me just go to the extremes here. A masochist who is in to bdsm doesn't want to fuck around with feathers or chocolate and so on, he/she wants to get whiped. Now if he gets together with a catholic school girl type who's a little repressed, and inexperienced and not really sure what she wants, bdsm might be the last thing on her mind. So if he tries to treat her the way she wants to be treated, she won't appreciate it. And vice versa.
So, this sort of applies to the christians, too. They don't want to associate themselves with drug dealing, long haired, rustabouts, so they disrespect you. Now, what they really are doing is treating you how they want you to treat them. They pay just enough negative attention to you to let you know that you're not wanted. I think they SHOULD be friendly and so on, just generally nice but what can you do?
Now, if Jesus were around today, i think he would say that you should treat people how they want to be treated. I really like to argue. I can enjoy a good shouting match. Not everyone can. If I yelled at everyone when I was in that mood, I'd be a real jerk. So, like the conscientious gentleman that I am, I gauge how people want to be treated and try to act like that, for each person individually.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: recalcitrant]
#5612341 - 05/10/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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very wise.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: recalcitrant]
#5612394 - 05/10/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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recalcitrant said: Ok, that's pretty close to the golden rule: treat other how you would want to be treated.
Now, I have a problem with that. It's really just semantics, but it changes the meaning. It should read, Treat others how they would want you to treat them. I mean, there are a lot of different people out there with a lot of different ideas about how to properly treat each other.
Let me just go to the extremes here. A masochist who is in to bdsm doesn't want to fuck around with feathers or chocolate and so on, he/she wants to get whiped. Now if he gets together with a catholic school girl type who's a little repressed, and inexperienced and not really sure what she wants, bdsm might be the last thing on her mind. So if he tries to treat her the way she wants to be treated, she won't appreciate it. And vice versa.
So, this sort of applies to the christians, too. They don't want to associate themselves with drug dealing, long haired, rustabouts, so they disrespect you. Now, what they really are doing is treating you how they want you to treat them. They pay just enough negative attention to you to let you know that you're not wanted. I think they SHOULD be friendly and so on, just generally nice but what can you do?
Now, if Jesus were around today, i think he would say that you should treat people how they want to be treated. I really like to argue. I can enjoy a good shouting match. Not everyone can. If I yelled at everyone when I was in that mood, I'd be a real jerk. So, like the conscientious gentleman that I am, I gauge how people want to be treated and try to act like that, for each person individually.
You've picked up really healthy specimens...
When you say something like "greet him with both hands open" you can't count on the ones who don't have arms or whatever.. If you don't have arms IMPROVISE
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5612438 - 05/10/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: today, I walked into a restaraunt full of elderly, church-going type folks. All I got from them were disapproving stares and negative energy. I could literally feel the fear in the room. I don't like fear, especially when it is directed at me.
People don't stare for no reason. Were you staring them down, possibly judging them as "inbred hicks"? Were you dressed like a wacko? Perhaps, like Jesus on his death march or something that only you would understand the significance of?
If I walked into the same room, I wouldn't get stares directed at me. Do you know why? Because I don't do anything out of the ordinary that attracts attention to myself. I don't stare at people, challenge their idealogies in public (referring to your recent thread about being kicked out of a coffee shop for doing just that), or dress strangely.
Anything from this make the picture clearer Doc?
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: TODAY]
#5612533 - 05/10/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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on this particular occaision, I was dressed normally, and I kept both my eyes and my mouth to myself.
apparently I have quite the reputation around town.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5612566 - 05/10/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not surprised.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: DoctorJ]
#5612585 - 05/10/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm 6'7" and I work out. I wear a pentagal star pendant. I get a lot of looks, sometimes downright scared ones, especially from kids.
I smile and nod, and try to make pleasant conversation. Unless I'm in a mood. Then I flip my hood over my head and stare at people until they look away. Sometimes I'll murmer lyrics from my fav. songs under my breath with my lips pursed and my teeth clenched.
I really like to turn my headphones up as high as they'll go when I'm on the c-train and listen to Systems "Mind." I love getting knowing looks from people when everyone can hear "look at each other" playing.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: recalcitrant]
#5612704 - 05/10/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think I want to meet you when you are in a mood.
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Re: fools who cast their stones [Re: TODAY]
#5636939 - 05/16/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what you have to consider is that when you adopt a way of looking, you accept responsibility for that archetype.
if you dress like a thug, people will think you are a thug. now you could be a kind loving soul who just really likes some intelligent hip-hop and digs the down to earth vibes that dressing like a thug brings.... and you could be the coolest person in the world.
but if you dress like that and you waver out of your sub-culture into the masses, all they know is rap music = violence = crimes = gangs = drugs.
if you dress like a hippy.... people are going to view you as a hippy. so what are their definitions of hippy? Well to some it's just about doing drugs and being completely irresponsible. And to some it's about doing drugs, but maybe they support drugs, or maybe they hate drugs out of blind prejudice?
My friend said there is a Muslim saying, which states that you should dress how everyone does, but eat your own foods. I butchered that, but it basically means don't go out of your way to clash with your culture, but still have your own opinions and be your own man.
So let's pretend that you dressed "presentable" and "normal" and you had radical views about Jesus..... I bet old people would be more likely to listen to you. But if you have super long hair and speak slowly like a stoner, even if TRUTH ORDAINED FROM JESUS HIMSELF is coming out of your mouth, that mouth is wearing an "idiot mask" and who is going to listen to someone wearing an "idiot mask" ? Only wise people that see beyond such illusions.
You don't dress up like a "Satanist" completed gothed out looking like a zombie and go give sermons about Jesus's love.... because even if you are the most sincere follower of Christ ever, do you think people are going to hear you? You might downright freak them out.
Now is this right? No it is not right..... but you evoke ARCHETYPES by the way you dress. The hippy look evokes an earthly balanced feel.... a man with long hair is not entirely a "man" as long hair denotes feminine aspects. A man who would wear his hair long paints certain feelings in people based upon many different frames of viewing the world. It will mean different things to a young child than it would someone who grew up in the 60s. It might mean "traitor" to a war veteran......
it might mean "cool loving person" to a college student. it might mean "druggy" to an uptight-Christian.
but why do you look like you do? You don't have to look any certain way at all. You are carrying yourself a certain way and looks are unavoidable.
I look like a hippy because I wanted to rebel against authority and fit in with the pot smoking and layed back crowd...... I wanted to stay way from the jock culture, the cowboy/hillbilly culture, the good old boy lets go hunting and shooting things culture....... I wanted to just kind of filter those people out of my worldview.... so by dressing how I do I attract similar people (in theory it hasn't really worked).
But am I respectable because of my looks? Well, long hair is socially acceptable nowadays.....
but I did it to stand OUT I did it to make a "statement" and I assume most of us dress and act the way we do for such reasons.
So this has consequences. Do you judge NO ONE based upon appearance? Sad to say people that dress extremely gothy evoke feelings of evil in me..... I think to myself, they love death metal and are obsessed with darkness, and probably are not very loving or happy people. People who are really buff and wearing shirts with American flags or football jerseys... I think.... hey these guys probably aren't peace oriented, they're more about having a good time and being wild and unruly......
I won't say, this person is good or bad.... but I will say, that how a person looks affects how I view them. I can't look into their souls and see what lies beneath......... so I just look at what they are selling me because that's the bottom line. You sell what you "are" by how you look and carry yourself. Image is similar to body language..... a person who dresses a certain way is likely to be a certain way, because why else would they dress that way?
That's why Buddhists shave their heads and wear robes.....
if you think about the mark of the beast, it kind of correlates to how you dress. you give yourself a mark for the world to see, as blatant as a stamp on the forehead, sayign "I am this way. I am that way. I am NOT that way. I hate that way. I love this way." and it's just as easy to read as a mark. It's dictated by the media, it's an image. You adopt it. You to some degree become it whether you want to or not. Long hair and certain body language and ways of speaking evoke feelings in EVERYONE who meets you, and they evoke different feelings than a bald head and certain body language and other ways of speaking would.
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Edited by leery11 (05/16/06 10:31 AM)
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