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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: carbonhoots]
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resistance is futile, assimilate or be destroyed. :crazy:


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: carbonhoots]
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Martin, Harper and Layton are flying on the Executive Airbus to a
gathering in British Columbia when Martin turns to Harper and says,
chuckling, "You know, I could throw a $1000 bill out the window right
now and make someone very happy." Harper shrugs and replies, "Well, I
could throw ten $100 bills out the window and make ten people happy."
Not to be outdone, Layton says, "Well I could throw a hundred $10 bills
out the window and make a hundred people happy."

The pilot rolls his eyes and says to his co-pilot, "Such arrogant asses
back there. Hell, I could throw all three of them out the window and make 32
million people happy."

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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:lol:

That made my day, great joke!

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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:lol: Brilliant!!!


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: trendal]
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I'd be a lot happier if Belinda Stronach went with them!!! Awesome joke man!


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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lol, thats good :thumbup:


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Innvertigo]
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Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you?




Friday, January 20th, 2006
Michael Moore Statement on Canadian Election


Michael Moore is currently in production on his next movie. As an avid lover of all things Canadian, he has issued the following statement regarding Canada's upcoming election on Monday:

Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you? That's a joke, right? I know you have a great sense of humor, and certainly a well-developed sense of irony, but this is no longer funny. Maybe it's a new form of Canadian irony -- reverse irony! OK, now I get it. First, you have the courage to stand against the war in Iraq -- and then you elect a prime minister who's for it. You declare gay people have equal rights -- and then you elect a man who says they don't. You give your native peoples their own autonomy and their own territory -- and then you vote for a man who wants to cut aid to these poorest of your citizens. Wow, that is intense! Only Canadians could pull off a hat trick of humor like that. My hat's off to you.

Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do. Well, actually, you've got just one American who keeps telling you to roll over and fetch and sit. I hope you don't feel this appeal of mine is too intrusive but I just couldn't sit by, as your friend, and say nothing. Yes, I agree, the Liberals have some 'splainin' to do. And yes, one party in power for more than a decade gets a little... long. But you have a parliamentary system (I'll bet you didn't know that -- see, that's why you need Americans telling you things!). There are ways at the polls to have your voices heard other than throwing the baby out with the bath water.

These are no ordinary times, and as you go to the polls on Monday, you do so while a man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest? Is that how you want millions of us down here to see you from now on? The next notch in the cowboy belt? C'mon, where's your Canadian pride? I mean, if you're going to reduce Canada to a cheap download of Bush & Co., then at least don't surrender so easily. Can't you wait until he threatens to bomb Regina? Make him work for it, for Pete's sake.

But seriously, I know you're not going to elect a guy who should really be running for governor of Utah. Whew! I knew it! You almost had me there. Very funny. Don't do that again. God, I love you, you crazy cold wonderful neighbors to my north. Don't ever change.

Michael Moore

(Mr. Moore is not available for interviews because he now needs to address the situation in Azerbaijan. But he could be talked into it for a couple of tickets to a Leaf's game.)


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: carbonhoots]
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The worst possible thing that could happen on Monday... is if the Conservatives do win.

Do people not remember the past Conservative Governments in Canada.
Here's just a few highlights.

They did lower personal income tax slightly... and the ones who benefited the most, were the wealthy who had to pay MUCH less. Not the average person.
They introduced the GST which effectively pulled more tax out of everyone, especially those of lower incomes. Who didn't get the tax breaks of the wealthy.
Canada was deep in debt causing interest rates to skyrocket... remember double digit mortgage rate interests... I do... mine was at 19 3/4%. And that was at a Bank!!!
Hundreds of businesses closed their doors, throwing thousands of people out of work! Why did they close? .... They moved their plants to the U.S. because the US offered them large tax breaks and incentives. So... unemployment in Canada rose horrifically.

And this was with a more centered Conservative Government. I can't begin to imagine the chaos this Far right, fanatic, conservative group will create.

This Coming Monday could go down in Canadian History as "Black Monday" the day we screwed ourselves, our families and our children, by electing the Conservatives. Don't let it happen.
We could all be singing "I don't like Mondays" as our National Anthem at the hockey games that no one will be able to afford to go see!

Good luck to us all... We may need it!!!  :rolleyes:

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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Shdwstr said:
They did lower personal income tax slightly... and the ones who benefited the most, were the wealthy who had to pay MUCH less. Not the average person.


Pretty standard conservatism. Do whatever possible to help the wealthy.


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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I have yet to see any of these boogeyman policies in the Conservative agenda.

Black Monday? Come on people the sun will still rise on Tuesday when we have a Conservative minority government and we will be just fine.

Do you see any beneficial policies on the Conservative platform?

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Noetical]
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I have yet to see any of these boogeyman policies in the Conservative agenda.



Really?



I didn't like plan to cancel hte low income tax cut the Liberals just brought in. 15% raised to 16%? While canceling capital gains taxes. What the fuck is with that?

Or the revamping of the young offenders act and criminal code to make it legal to try 14 year olds as adults and provide for mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent drug offences. The prisons required to hold all the druggies in Canada will cost billions.

Harper and his baffoon party have long been against medicare, public pensions, ei, etc. Although it's not exactly in their platform, what left of our social programs are in jeporady.


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Noetical]
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Like everything else politicians say during an election... what makes you think any of it is true.
When Ontario voted in a Conservative Premire, he broke EVERY single campain promise he made.
What makes you think a Federal Conservative leader would do any thing else.
The only promises you can trust him to keep, are the ones that will...

Paint a bullseye on Canada, for entering into Bush's "War on Terror" and bringing in US missile defence onto our shores.
Ruining our economy, by sending more natural resources, jobs and money to the U.S.
Take away our freedoms as Canadians by bending over and taking it up the ass by US imposed laws that should have no juristiction over Canadians.
Imprison more Canadians under laws of US design such as the draconian efforts of the useless and failed "War on Drugs"
The Conservative slogan "Stand up for Canada" is the biggest joke and lie I've ever seen any party use. It should read "Stand up and give Canada to the U.S." cause that is what they will do!

If your Canadian, you should Stand up for Canada!!! By voting anything other than Conservative.

Yes, the sun will rise again on Tuesday if we end up with the Conservatives in Power.
But... In a few years, we will all be saying... When will we ever learn?  :mad:

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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I'm glad you guys could respond. Harper is not Bush, nowhere close. The Canadian Conservative party is a slightly right of centre party that is more left than The Democrats. I will ask this again, are there any aspects of the Conservative platform that either you agree with?

Carbon,

I did not like the cancelling of that tax cut and would have liked to see it stay. That being said a GST cut to an eventual 5% will be of more benefit to low income earners who don't pay taxes and those earners in the lowest tax bracket (and will also make home ownership much more affordable). Both will have more money in their pocket at the end of the day. The personal income tax cuts proposed by the Liberals are the ones that would benefit the single $65,000 a year individual.

And really the difference between the two tax plans comes down to a little over one hundred dollars either way in various situations and that is taking into account a 6% gst and not a 5% gst.

Adult sentencing for 14 year olds is only for violent and serious repeat offenders. The mandatory drug sentencing is targeted at large drug offenders (ie: large scale grow-ops and crystal meth producers). You aint doing time for snorting an 8 ball or smoking an eighth. All parties are supporting mandatory sentencing for violent gun related crimes. There will be no overflowing of the prison system and billions being pumped into it, that is just pure hyperbole.

?There will be no private, parallel system,? Mr. Harper said. ?We can, and will, achieve better results for patients and maintain the essentials of our system of public health insurance while maintaining our universal public health care system.?

The Conservative platform has also confirmed its commitment and protection to the CPP and GIS.

Shdwstr,

Like everything else politicians say during an election... what makes you think any of it is true

I totally agree with you and have to look no further thatn the Federal Liberals current track record as a prime example.

I don't think we are heading anywhere internationally unless as peacekeepers, a minority government will ensure that. I hope to god that whoever is in power does not let Marc Emery get extradited and compromise our soverienty.

I have been extremely disapointed with this governments lack of transparency and accountability and will not give them another mandate. It is to bad that Paul Martin has been such a dud and had to clean up all of Chreatien's mess that he left as his legacy.

I see aspects of all parties platforms that I both agree and disagree with. I am hoping for a minority government that offers Canada more Statesmen than politicians.

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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"I don't give a damn that the Liberals are more corrupt than any three American administrations added together, at least they are not Conservative!"

Typical Canadian thinking.





Phred


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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Noetical]
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noeticbuzz said:
The Canadian Conservative party is a slightly right of centre party that is more left than The Democrats.



Your kidding Right?
They are as extremist as you can get in Canada!

noeticbuzz said:
I will ask this again, are there any aspects of the Conservative platform that either you agree with?



Not that I believe they would uphold without hurting us overall. Harper is a fanatic, with no concept of reality or of what the Canadian people want or need.

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Shdwstr]
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They are as extremist as you can get in Canada

Yeah, key qualifier in Canada. They are still more Liberal than The Democrats.

Harper is a fanatic, with no concept of reality or of what the Canadian people want or need

The word fanatic should be reserved for names like Duvalier or Pol Pot not Harper, he isn't going to usher in the fourth reich. It would also seem reasonable that what the Canadian people want or need is being accurately reflected in the polls, wouldn't it?

I'm going to agree with Phred here, there is a real nasty stigma associated with the word Conservative in Canada. I think alot of you have bought into Martin's campaign of fear.

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Noetical]
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Not that I believe they would uphold without hurting us overall

Free votes in parliment and an elected senate would somehow undermine the Canadian way of life?

Whatever the outcome on Monday Liberal or Conservative here is to a parliment with more Statesmen and less politicians.

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Re: CANADA: Severe risk of Conservative government [Re: Noetical]
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I personally would have lower income tax, even a little over lower GST because income tax is paid by only canadians but GST is the only way to tax the tourists and it's better to take there money than our own.


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Post deleted by carbonhoots

Reason for deletion: picture won't show up. it does in the preview, not the post



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Edited by carbonhoots (01/23/06 03:04 AM)

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