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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: Lumocolor]
    #3000314 - 08/13/04 11:11 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: Learyfan]
    #3000629 - 08/13/04 12:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Of course all conservatives are not racists, but for some reason most
racists are conservative.


Good question. Why do people who are blatantly racist always seem to
fall to the Right?

Some of my opinions could be considered extreme Right Wing(I am
against income redistribution for example) and some could be
considered extreme Left Wing(I think drug prohibition causes
more problems than it solves). However, I think that standard Left
and Right thinking has affected how many people in the population
feel about all sorts of topics. It is very commonplace for most
people to fall into one category or the other, and they seem to
accept every opinion of their respective area on the "Wing".

Most Right-Wing people I have talked to are absolutely embarrassed
and disgusted by overtly racist groups such as the KKK. But,
they also seem to be equally disgusted by white pandering to black
people and black people who cry racism and play the victim to
get something.

I think that the people on the Left are so vehemently anti-racist
because they seem to love the underdog and hate anybody who is
seen as the oppressor. The struggle of black Americans throughout
history(slavery, civil rights, etc..) is the perfect paradigm
to grab onto and tout about for a Left-wing oriented person.
Because of that, no Left-winger will ever be blatantly racist
against black people, and anybody who is racist is automatically
associated with the Right Wing.

I feel that in America today, the Left does far more harm to
blacks than the extreme racist Right does. For example, how
prevalent is the KKK today? You may see ten or fifteen of them
demonstrate on court house steps in some little town. They
don't have any power or influence. They don't do any damage
to anybody. All they do is scream "white power!". The real
problems of the black community is not white racism, but
high crime rates, high dropout rates, high illegitimacy rates,
and high unemployment rates. These are the things that make
black neighborhoods into warzones. Instead of trying to pry
more and more money from the government to pay for more and more
programs, instead of bitching and complaining about how hard
they have it, instead of playing the perennial victims, the black
community needs to get to it and start trying to fix these problems
with the only thing that ever seems to work....recognizing the
cold hard truth and trying to change it.

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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: Vvellum]
    #3003893 - 08/14/04 09:33 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)


bi0 said:
...and that doesnt make you a racist, in my opinon (and im sure in the opinion of many, many liberals). Being a conservative doesnt equate to being ignorant and hateful and prejudiced - and this is coming from a liberal. I disagree with the original poster/premise that conservatives = racist.

I think that the original premise included the caveat that not all conservatives are racist, but most racists seem to be conservative.

I will, however, argue that racism and homophobia is more alive and accepted among some circles of the rightwing (look at all the neo-nazi and white supremacist groups for example), just as anti-semetism and classism exists and is accepted in some circles of the left-wing.

I think that that is the entire point of this discussion.

Okay, I understand why you would be opposed to social programs. I got that part. What I dont understand is why conservatives as yourself seem to always point to social programs first before pointing, say, the military-industrial complex and its massive subsidies.

If he shows you where the Constitution states that taxable funds are allowed to be used for that, will you show him where the same document states that they are to be used for "Social programs"? There is your answer.

I would take conservatives more seriously if ya'll were more consistant (or at least more vocal) for reduction of government spending in all spheres of government activity.

I think that most of "us" are. I'm not really a conservative, but I've noticed on this board that disagreeing with, or questioning the validity of, the liberals makes you a 'neocon'. I don't mind my money going to add benefits to our military, because I feel the need to be protected by a military. I don't agree with all the ways that our military is being used, but I'd rather the money go to the military, a Constitutionally allowable expendature, than have it going to social programs. Do you think it would be smarter to stop spending money on our military and give more to social programs?

All I hear is welfare this, affirmative action that. Why arent you complaning (more often) about the billions that are handed over to Lockheed-Martin to produce the latest greatest enablers of empire expansion?

L-M produces things that the Constitution allows them to. I want my money to go to making newer weapons and armor for our troops, I don't want them to go to people sitting on their lazy butts getting a check from the government every month.

Why does it seem the conservatives are the ones who support the evolution of the republic into an empire and nearly always support global-police actions?

Wanting our troops to have the best gear doesn't mean we support the ways that they are used. If I were to say "I'm against the Iraq war, so I'm going to vote to take away the guns from the soldiers, take away their body armor, and that way more of them will die", that isn't a very logical or caring position. If our troops are being used anywhere in the world, even if I disagree with the causal factor, I wnat them to come home alive. "I support our troops, not the war" kind of thing.

Why do conservative "representatives" are first to vote against acts of welfare, but turn a blind eye to all the other non-social spending?

Could it be their knowledge of the Constitution? Could it be that they are representing their constituients?

I think that the majority of those that you identify, and that identify themselves, as "conservatives" are rooting for a more traditional America. A lot of them, especially older ones, have military service under their belts. They believe that our military is one of the keystones of our strength globally and they want us to maintain is. I don't mind working hard and giving up gobs of my paycheck (over 50% usually, as most of my pay is comission based) to pay for troops in the military to have better food, a warm (or ac'ed) place to sleep, clean and new firearms, better airplanes, things like that. If you think that supporting the military ties in with racism, you haven't seen the face of the US Military recently. A large number of inner city non-whites use the military as a stepping stone to get ouf of the hood, give something back to their country, get an education and make something of themselves. If these conservatives are racist, why are they voting to give more money to these "niggers" in the military?

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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: retread]
    #3004203 - 08/14/04 11:39 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

The constitution isn't the word of god, you know.

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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: deafpanda]
    #3004223 - 08/14/04 11:59 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)


deafpanda said:
The constitution isn't the word of god, you know.

It is the supreme law of the land and a deliberate violation of it SHOULD be tantamount to treason.

?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'

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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3005088 - 08/14/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)


Ancalagon said:

deafpanda said:
The constitution isn't the word of god, you know.

It is the supreme law of the land and a deliberate violation of it SHOULD be tantamount to treason.


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Re: Conservatives and racism [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3010625 - 08/16/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

"The constitution isn't the word of god, you know. "

No, but if god came down here and shot someone, ideally he would be charged with murder.

That'd be one hell of a case, but here, everybody is supposed to be equally accountable under the law for their actions.

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