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Governator - Idiot or Liar?
    #3086863 - 09/03/04 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

funny article:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/schwarzenegger.ap/index.html

Schwarzenegger criticized for Austrian history gaffes

Friday, September 3, 2004 Posted: 10:58 AM EDT (1458 GMT)

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Austrian historians are ridiculing California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for telling the Republican National Convention that he saw Soviet tanks in his homeland as a child and left a "Socialist" country when he moved away in 1968.

Recalling that the Soviets once occupied part of Austria in the aftermath of World War II, Schwarzenegger told the convention on Tuesday: "I saw tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes."

No way, historians say, challenging Schwarzenegger's knowledge of postwar history -- if not his enduring popularity among Austrians who admire him for rising from a penniless immigrant to the highest official in America's most populous state.

"It's a fact -- as a child he could not have seen a Soviet tank in Styria," the southeastern province where Schwarzenegger was born and raised, historian Stefan Karner told the Vienna newspaper Kurier.

Schwarzenegger, now a naturalized U.S. citizen, was born on July 30, 1947, when Styria and the neighboring province of Carinthia belonged to the British zone. At the time, postwar Austria was occupied by the four wartime allies, which also included the United States, the Soviet Union and France.

The Soviets already had left Styria in July 1945, less than three months after the end of the war, Karner noted.

"Let me tell you this: As a boy, I lived for many years across the street from where the Russians were based in Vienna -- and honestly, I never saw a Russian tank there," retiree Franz Nitsch said Friday. "He said it all on purpose -- and that's bad."

In his convention address, Schwarzenegger also said: "As a kid, I saw the Socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left" in 1955 and Austria regained its independence.

But Martin Polaschek, a law history scholar and vice rector of Graz University, told Kurier that Austria was governed by coalition governments, including the conservative People's Party and the Social Democratic Party. Between 1945 and 1970, all the nation's chancellors were conservatives -- not Socialists.

What's more, when Schwarzenegger left in 1968, Austria was run by a conservative government headed by People's Party Chancellor Josef Klaus, a staunch Roman Catholic and a sharp critic of both the Socialists as well as the Communists ruling in countries across the Iron Curtain.

Schwarzenegger "confuses a free country with a Socialist one," said Polaschek, referring to East European Communist officials' routine descriptions of their countries as Socialist.

Polaschek saw the moderate Republican governor's recollections at the convention as a tactical move. Schwarzenegger, he said, was "using the old Communist enemy image for Bush's election campaign."

"He did not speak as a historian, after all, but as a politician," Polaschek said.

Norbert Darabos, a ranking official of Austria's opposition Social Democratic Party, sharply criticized Schwarzenegger's "disdain for his former homeland."

"The Terminator is constructing a rather bizarre Austria image," he said.

But many ordinary Austrians seemed to be in a forgiving mood Friday over the gaffes.

"Maybe he has a wrong recollection -- it's so many years since he left," said Wilma Fadrany, 32, a Vienna waitress.

"There must be political reasons for such comments," she said. "You've got to tell the (convention delegates) what they want to hear in order to win them over. Politicians always talk the way it fits into their agenda."


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3086874 - 09/03/04 12:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmph.

That's disappointing.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3086895 - 09/03/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think he's been spending too much time with Karl Rove...


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3087614 - 09/03/04 03:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

haha



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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3087646 - 09/03/04 03:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah,what the fuck was he talking about. The Soviets were out of Austria right after the war,for the most part. They didn't even have that big of a presence there. What a fucking lying douchebag.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: monoamine]
    #3087799 - 09/03/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

inflamatory propaganda


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3087838 - 09/03/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Arnold probably wouldn't be complaining if those were Nazi tanks.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: monoamine]
    #3087857 - 09/03/04 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sieg what?


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3087871 - 09/03/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He should be thanking the Reds for saving his sorry ass country,if anything.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3087945 - 09/03/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Arnold's a douchebag, but what does this say about the general public. I mean, they voted for a fucking actor.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3087963 - 09/03/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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haha






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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3087990 - 09/03/04 05:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a right wing liar....no, say it isnt so  :smirk:


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: Phluck]
    #3088138 - 09/03/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ferreal.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: Phluck]
    #3089614 - 09/04/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

?


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: Phluck]
    #3089733 - 09/04/04 01:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
Arnold's a douchebag, but what does this say about the general public. I mean, they voted for a fucking actor.




prove to me he was voted for.

i didnt vote for him.
nor do i know anyone who did.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3090067 - 09/04/04 02:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't funny how this thread is devoid of Bushies?


FUCKING HYPOCRITS, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


that's what they get for putting Mr. Mom up to speak, and he accuses others of being "girly men" ahahahahahahahahaha.


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3090291 - 09/04/04 04:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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inflamatory propaganda




I'll say! Seems that's all anyone posts on here!


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: Phluck]
    #3091176 - 09/04/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
Arnold's a douchebag, but what does this say about the general public. I mean, they voted for a fucking actor.



They also voted for the douche bag that he replaced, arguably a worse douce bag. Years of public education are having their intended effect, you reap what you sow...


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: afoaf]
    #3091452 - 09/04/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

For a rebuttal of this nonsense go to http://freewillblog.com/ and scroll down to "Terminating the liberal smear machine." There is a link provided there to the full text of Arnold's speech. Now who does it appear the liars are?????


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Re: Governator - Idiot or Liar? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3091643 - 09/04/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a direct link that eliminates the need to scroll --

http://www.freewillblog.com/index.php/weblog/C20/

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