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...and that doesnt make you a racist, in my opinon (and im sure in the opinion of many, many liberals). Being a conservative doesnt equate to being ignorant and hateful and prejudiced - and this is coming from a liberal. I disagree with the original poster/premise that conservatives = racist.
I think that the original premise included the caveat that not all conservatives are racist, but most racists seem to be conservative.
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I will, however, argue that racism and homophobia is more alive and accepted among some circles of the rightwing (look at all the neo-nazi and white supremacist groups for example), just as anti-semetism and classism exists and is accepted in some circles of the left-wing.
I think that that is the entire point of this discussion.
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Okay, I understand why you would be opposed to social programs. I got that part. What I dont understand is why conservatives as yourself seem to always point to social programs first before pointing, say, the military-industrial complex and its massive subsidies.
If he shows you where the Constitution states that taxable funds are allowed to be used for that, will you show him where the same document states that they are to be used for "Social programs"? There is your answer.
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I would take conservatives more seriously if ya'll were more consistant (or at least more vocal) for reduction of government spending in all spheres of government activity.
I think that most of "us" are. I'm not really a conservative, but I've noticed on this board that disagreeing with, or questioning the validity of, the liberals makes you a 'neocon'. I don't mind my money going to add benefits to our military, because I feel the need to be protected by a military. I don't agree with all the ways that our military is being used, but I'd rather the money go to the military, a Constitutionally allowable expendature, than have it going to social programs. Do you think it would be smarter to stop spending money on our military and give more to social programs?
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All I hear is welfare this, affirmative action that. Why arent you complaning (more often) about the billions that are handed over to Lockheed-Martin to produce the latest greatest enablers of empire expansion?
L-M produces things that the Constitution allows them to. I want my money to go to making newer weapons and armor for our troops, I don't want them to go to people sitting on their lazy butts getting a check from the government every month.
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Why does it seem the conservatives are the ones who support the evolution of the republic into an empire and nearly always support global-police actions?
Wanting our troops to have the best gear doesn't mean we support the ways that they are used. If I were to say "I'm against the Iraq war, so I'm going to vote to take away the guns from the soldiers, take away their body armor, and that way more of them will die", that isn't a very logical or caring position. If our troops are being used anywhere in the world, even if I disagree with the causal factor, I wnat them to come home alive. "I support our troops, not the war" kind of thing.
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Why do conservative "representatives" are first to vote against acts of welfare, but turn a blind eye to all the other non-social spending?
Could it be their knowledge of the Constitution? Could it be that they are representing their constituients?
I think that the majority of those that you identify, and that identify themselves, as "conservatives" are rooting for a more traditional America. A lot of them, especially older ones, have military service under their belts. They believe that our military is one of the keystones of our strength globally and they want us to maintain is. I don't mind working hard and giving up gobs of my paycheck (over 50% usually, as most of my pay is comission based) to pay for troops in the military to have better food, a warm (or ac'ed) place to sleep, clean and new firearms, better airplanes, things like that. If you think that supporting the military ties in with racism, you haven't seen the face of the US Military recently. A large number of inner city non-whites use the military as a stepping stone to get ouf of the hood, give something back to their country, get an education and make something of themselves. If these conservatives are racist, why are they voting to give more money to these "niggers" in the military?
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