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Psilocybin Crystals?
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Would it work if i were to soak mushrooms in 80% water 20% alchol solution for 36 hours and then added salt to the mixture and allowed the salt to form crystals, would this be freebase psilocybin or do i need more complicated and harder to obtain chemicals to acheive this? plz dont give me the link to errowid as i have read it and it makes no sence.

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: fakee]
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soak mushrooms in 80% water 20% alchol solution for 36 hours


This would dissolve the Psilocybin

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and then added salt to the mixture and allowed the salt to form crystals


This doesnt work because the Manske reaction to extract Syrian Rue (which gave you this idea to begin with) works by extracting harm(al)ine as their acetates and then adding salts for metathesis, depositing harm(al)ine hydrochloride which is insol in salt solutions.
This does not work for Psilocybin.

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would this be freebase psilocybin


There's no such thing as Freebase Psilocybin because it forms a salt with itself, a reaction between the phosphoric acid with which the psilocin is estrified and the aliphatic amine.

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plz dont give me the link to errowid as i have read it and it makes no sence.


With Erowid it is often that people cannot make sense of it, but that it actually does make sense for those who understand.


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Asante]
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With Erowid it is often that people cannot make sense of it, but that it actually does make sense for those who understand.


I see you're in a good moode this morning :blush:


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: schmutzen]
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way ta tell em wiccan. :lol: :owned:


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Edited by sui (01/13/06 07:45 AM)

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: sui]
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Friday the 13th! ARRG!  :crankey:

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Mcdoopy]
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Mcdoopy said:
Friday the 13th! ARRG!  :crankey:


yeah i saw that earlier too.....


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: schmutzen]
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I really didn't mean to be rude :blush: but I had to pee badly but didnt want to leave the post unfinished (my connection nukes every so often)

But seriously, usually Erowid has the answers, but extractions and other chemical procedures aren't always equally clear.

I wasn't grumpy, just in a hurry!


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Asante]
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ok well if i were to take liqour. say rum or somethin like that. and let the mush soak in that for a day and then let it evaporate and then put the small amount of liquid that should be left into gel caps, that would work wouldnt it? im basically just lookin for a way were i can get the effects without eatin the mush..i hate the tatse, and i dont like swallowing pill after pill after pill, so if i only had to swallow like one or two of this concentrated solution that would be cool. The only reason the errowid thing dont make sence to me is cuz i dont know much of those chemicals. Do you think you could get most of those chemicals from a highschool chem lab? how else could you get the chemicals to make crystal psilocybin?

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: fakee]
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The taste isn't that bad, if you relly hate it make chocolates.
Using chems from your school lab to make drugs usually isn't a good idea

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: fakee]
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You're thinking too complicated.

--Grind up your dried mushrooms.
--Add a REALLY SMALL portion (lets say 0.5-1 gram) to a shotglass filled with pure cold lemonjuice.
--Steep for 15 minutes.
--Slosh it down and follow it up with a quarter glass of water.

You will get way higher and need no chemicals, plus the lemon juice will overpower the taste.

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if i were to take liqour. say rum or somethin like that. and let the mush soak in that for a day and then let it evaporate and then put the small amount of liquid that should be left into gel caps, that would work wouldnt it?


Sorry, I don't think that will work. Just like sliced apples turn brown, psilocybin oxidises in solution, especially with heat or lack of acidity. Your psilocybin will likely degrade in the process.

But grow your own shrooms and DO experiment because we all want to know a good way for doing that.


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Asante]
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Oh Wiccan, I was just getting your goat :wink: Your information, creativity, and sense of humour is appreciated. 

If the crystals are in a alcolholic/acidic solution in a freezer wouldn't that feasible?


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: schmutzen]
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What I don't understand is............

Why do Richard Alpert and Timothy Leary talk about dosing psilocybin crystal when you guys say their is no extraction TEK for it? Or is their one and is just extremely complicated?

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Sorry, I don't think that will work. Just like sliced apples turn brown, psilocybin oxidises in solution, especially with heat or lack of acidity. Your psilocybin will likely degrade in the process.



Actually, Psilocybin is a pretty stable chemical. Psilocin, on the other hand, will break down if a fly buzzes to close to a mushroom.

A crude extraction can be made by cookng the shrooms in water then evaporating the left over water.
The result will be a very sticky psilo-caramel; basically decomposed fructose and psilocybin.

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Christoph teh goat luvr]
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MushroomChris said:
What I don't understand is............

Why do Richard Alpert and Timothy Leary talk about dosing psilocybin crystal when you guys say their is no extraction TEK for it? Or is their one and is just extremely complicated?


They talk about a synthetic psilocybin(Meaning someone made it in a lab).


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
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I'm very interested in recovering Psilocybin from water.

How is it evapped?
Will potency be left intact?
What's the dry shroom/extract ratio?


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Asante]
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I don't know the technical stuff, but i do know that the caramel left from evaporating shroom tea (i did it in a dehydrator) is active.
The potency drops significantly, and the effects of the psilo-caramel are heady at best.
I would not recommend this method of extraction.

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
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well..thx for all your posts...but noone really answered my question. And that was, were could i get chemicals to do an extraction like the one found on errowid? for example were could i get chemicals like..pure methanol,acetic acid ,chloroform, bicarbonate, i really want to make crystal psilocybin..any one able to help?

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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: fakee]
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fakee said:
well..thx for all your posts...but noone really answered my question. And that was, were could i get chemicals to do an extraction like the one found on errowid? for example were could i get chemicals like..pure methanol,acetic acid ,chloroform, bicarbonate, i really want to make crystal psilocybin..any one able to help?


It is not for someone who dosn't have a decent chemistry background.


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: fakee]
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pure methanol


Can render you blind. Almost odorless. Flammable

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acetic acid


Corrosive, strong irritant, flammable

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chloroform


may cause cardiac arrest on inhalation, causes cancer, decomposes into potent toxins

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You don't want to get involved with chemicals like that.
Or, um, rather: I don't want you to get involved with chemicals like that. You give me the impression that your knowledge falls far short of what is needed, but that you may carry it out nontheless.

You are putting yourself in danger and your product is bound to be impure. Don't do it.

If you are really sure you want crystalline psilocybin then you must powder dried shrooms, extract with 95%/190 proof alcohol bought in the liquorstore, suitable for consumption, then evaporate that alcohol with a fan in the open air.
The product formed will be 25-50% pure Psilocybin, which can be purified by recrystallisation from boiling ethanol.

Attached is a file teaching some practical issues of working with chemicals. 4MB


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Re: Psilocybin Crystals? [Re: Asante]
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I think someone has just been verbally slain.  :whack:


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