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Invisibleryan
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Psilocybin Extraction Project
    #3521243 - 12/19/04 06:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, there have been quite a few posts recently regarding the extraction of psilocybin. While it can be done current methods require solvents or glassware most of us cant get. I am setting up this thread as a collaboration of multiple experimenters to find home solvents and equipment to do simple at home extractions and hopefully get crystals.

How can you help? We need alot of things.
1. List of solvents available to average people
2. People willing to try at least one of the solvents (requires min 5 gram of fungus, the more the better)

Solvents:
We need to find which solvents psilocybin is soluble/insoluble in. For each solvent we should try hot(boiling -careful with flamable solvents), and cold (near freezing)
1. Water: soluble in hot and cold
2. Isopropanol
3. Ethanol (everclear) 194 proof
4. White gas

... please help scour your homes and propose more solvents. I will update the list.

After we have a list of solvents we will need people to experment with them. This will require 4 steps:
1)soak fungus powder in solvent, using equal vol of solvent to fungus powder. Hot vs Cold. Each person only needs to do one
2)Filter the fungus powder (coffee filter) and collect the solvent
3)Allow solvent to evaporate and then test the residue for activity. Careful to divide the dose, ie if you extracted 10gms dont take all the residue, just a third of it.
4)report your results: did the residue have an effect? was there any nausea? no effect?


Edited by ryan (08/17/11 05:31 PM)


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: ryan]
    #3521292 - 12/19/04 06:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

ok. i have 'denatured alcohol 70%'. what's that, and i'll give it a go.
sounds a bit random, though. if i trip on the residue, does that make it a good solvent? what about correction for substance tested, user sensitivity, set and setting?
bagsy not one of the freezing cold (dud extract) experiments.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: shirley knott]
    #3521767 - 12/19/04 09:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

methanol, ether, and naphtha are all common solvents that might be worthwhile to investigate


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: shirley knott]
    #3521926 - 12/19/04 09:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol (ethanol) to which a small percentage [~15%] of methyl alcohol (methanol) has been added to render the mixture poisonous. Methanol (naphtha) is toxic. Be careful with your experiments!!


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: veggie]
    #3522642 - 12/20/04 12:36 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Methanol (naphtha) is toxic




Naphtha is not methanol.

I found glacial acetic acid on E-bay (be careful):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ssPageName=WDVW

You could substitute toluene or xylene for the ether -- it's available at a paint store. If you use xylene, use a lot. The downside is that both of these are slower to evaporate than water (especially xylene bp=140C).

All of these are readily available, but I wouldn't trust paint store xylene or toluene, so re-extract with acetic acid or dilute hcl before recrystalizing. You should do this anyway because the product (acetate or hcl, whatever) will be more stable.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: micro]
    #3522671 - 12/20/04 12:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

BTW -- all of the non-polar solvents are flammable. Don't do something stupid like smoke while you're working with them (or in the same room).

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: micro]
    #3525849 - 12/21/04 12:02 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

micro said:
BTW -- all of the non-polar solvents are flammable. Don't do something stupid like smoke while you're working with them (or in the same room).

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this also goes for all of the polar solvents also


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: gryphix]
    #3526530 - 12/21/04 04:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

>this also goes for all of the polar solvents also

Water?


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: shirley knott]
    #3527655 - 12/21/04 02:27 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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shirley knott said:
if i trip on the residue, does that make it a good solvent?




It simply means that the active compound is at least partially soluble in that solvent. Ideally we will find household solvents in which:

1)psilocybin is completely insuluble (but many other fungus components are soluble)
2)a solvent in which psilocybin is readily soluble but other fungus components are not
3)a solvent in which psilocybin is readily soluble when warm but insoluble when cold

Quote:

what about correction for substance tested, user sensitivity, set and setting?
bagsy not one of the freezing cold (dud extract) experiments.




These experiments are far from scientific and should be undertaken with great care. You should first evaporate any test solvent and make sure there is no residue left over. As far as correcting for differences between users its not that important as we are only after yes or no results and not so much degrees.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: Anno]
    #3529975 - 12/22/04 01:33 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anno said:
>this also goes for all of the polar solvents also

Water?




lol I think he means dipolar aprotic :wink:


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project *DELETED* [Re: ryan]
    #3532614 - 12/22/04 07:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project *DELETED* [Re: ryan]
    #3533103 - 12/22/04 09:30 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: ShadyPackage]
    #3538856 - 12/24/04 12:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If all these listed chems above can do the job.I would try Butaine
a lot of people use this for THC extraction in WEED but I am sure
any HYDROCARBON, with minimal trace once its simmered down, will
work, but I think butaine will work well since no heat is require to
boil, it boils at room temp. In pure THC extraction it is 8oz's butaine to 28-29 grams of weed, it is put inside 1" PCV pipe with one end with a filter, other end caped and a small hole drilled in the center of the cap to fit butaine attachment. Turn pipe with the cap up and start spraying let it run in to a jar and the let it boil until gone.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: prgmdfalt]
    #3539459 - 12/24/04 03:24 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

has anyone ever done a search for which solvents work best. these experiments have been done! crystals can be schieved by why would you want them? they breakdown very quickly. and btw, grain alcohol works just fine. you may have to filter it a few more times than some others but it works. if your unsatisfied, do a test for alkaloids. even you want pure psilocybin(no baestyicin nor psilocin) you can use some chromatography chemicals (I hear) but really you guys should look outside the shroomery for your knowledge. these tests have been done


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: fungophiliac]
    #3539960 - 12/24/04 07:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Try VM&P naptha found in the paint section, great nonpolar solvent. Evaps clean and everything. Engine starting fluid (look for prestone) containing only ethyl ether and heptane is also a good bet, just make sure it does not contain anything but ethyl ether, heptane, and CO2. Both are exceedingly good solvents. The engine starting fluid is very volatile however (ether) so unless you know what your doing, dont mess around with it. It also will not evaporate as quickly as one might expect - the heptane's boiling point is near that of water. Hope this helps, and good luck!


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: freakygurl]
    #3542001 - 12/25/04 01:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Or obtain the MSDS and make sure that hte product you are using has a 100% volatility rating.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: SoopaX]
    #3563756 - 12/31/04 01:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

extract in your stomach :wink:


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: ryan]
    #3571606 - 01/02/05 05:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i had 2 questions...first: what would be a good alternative to vermiculite, and second: where can i find "white gas"?

i'm an experienced grower, but since vermiculite was made illegal i have had no idea what else i can substitute for it...atleast nothing as good. and i would really love to make a more pure form of psilocybin for a much better potency...so i could seriously use some advice from a fellow expert.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: shroomgirl]
    #3572165 - 01/02/05 07:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

1) verm made illegal? what now? i'm confused....

2) white gas is commonly used as a lantern fuel...you can find it at sears, outdoors/camping stores...probably most places that have a good camping supply or lantern section...



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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Project [Re: shroomgirl]
    #3573707 - 01/03/05 01:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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shroomgirl said:


i'm an experienced grower, but since vermiculite was made illegal




This is how rumors get started. ITS LEGAL. JUst bought a bag yesterday.

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