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#5068121 - 12/15/05 05:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I came across this tek by Professor Fanaticus and thought this was great. I thought some of you in here might want to look this over 
This technique describes how to extract psilocybin from magic mushrooms with pure 190 proof ethyl alcohol and make a magic mushroom liqueur of concentrated psilocybin to effect a powerful psychedelic dose as potent as desired. The entire process involves only the shrooms and alcohol. The alcohol is untainted with chemicals and poisons because it can be easily acquired from a liquor store (United States) either over the counter (in some states) or with a special permit (most states - see end of article section - "procuring 190 proof ethyl alcohol from a liquor store").
ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF THE MAGIC CRYSTALS
by Professor Fanaticus
SUPPLY LIST
* Shrooms
* 190 proof ethyl alcohol (GOLDEN GRAIN - EVERCLEAR ect)
* Pyrex glass wide mouth slurry soaking vessel
* Stove top boiling water pot (slurry vessel sits inside) "double boiler"
* Funnel, and vacuum filtering set up or Dust-pollen masks
* Small desk fan
* Stirring tools - spatulas
Acquire quality psilocybe cubensis shrooms (harvested before or just as the veils open and cool dried with desiccant). The more shrooms used in the beginning, the more potent the concentration can be when finished. Use at least several grams of dried shroom material to make the process worthwhile and effective. The shrooms need to be thoroughly dry (rock hard) to allow pulverization. To pulverize the shrooms, put them into a small strong zip lock plastic bag (freezer bag), cover the bag with a magazine (for protection of the bag) and pound it with the rubber heel of a large shoe. Or, powder them in a small canister type coffee bean grinder.
In a heat resistant soaking vessel (Pyrex glass), combine the shroom powder with several times its volume with 190 proof Everclear (ethanol). This is the "slurry". Place the slurry steeping vessel in a pan of boiling water. Raise the slurry soaking vessel off the bottom of the hot water pan (pieces of rope on the bottom of the boiling pot work well) for preventing serious sticking of the extracts and to prevent overboiling. Make sure the slurry vessel is stable and not tipsy. After the water boiling vessel begins boiling, the slurry will start to boil. Turn the water boiling pan heat down and let the shroom slurry lightly boil for about 10 minutes. Alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water. While the alcohol slurry boils, the water pan will not be boiling - only hot and steaming. Watch the temperatures closely. Things can get totally out of hand and ruined very quickly without close attention paid. Stir the hot boiling slurry mixture constantly. DO NOT LEAVE IT UNOBSERVED - PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO YOUR MOST VALUABLE SLURRY.
After 10 minutes of boiling and stirring, pour the hot slurry immediately into a buchner filter with a flask. See below for the right kind of filtering aparatus. Use this kind of a set up if you want to do this right, or else you might very well waster you valuable shrooms. Use this set up and forget what anybody says about this - there are many retards that think they know and will give you crap info on this on the net. The Professors way is the best, after all, he is the legendary PF and you can't go wrong following PF's advice on anything about magic shrooms.
Collect and save the filtrate liquids. Heat the slurry (the mush in the filter paper) one or two more times with the 190 proof as before, filter, and accumulate the liquids of the extraction's. The photos at the top are of extraction's done twice.
If there is no vacuum filtering device at hand, inexpensive dust-pollen masks make good filters for the slurry. These are available at hardware, drug and paint stores. They are usually white or tan colored, fit over the nose and mouth and are held on to the face by a rubber band attached to the filter. Fashion the filter over the mouth of a drinking glass. Squeeze the filter and slurry to extract the alcohol. There are many details to deal with, but doing it once reveals them all. Experience is the best teacher. Store the extracted alcohol in a fresh bottle.
EVAPORATION AND CONCENTRATION
Combine the filtered alcohol extracts into the Pyrex steeping vessel. Place a small electric fan near the vessel and point the air flow directly down into the vessel until the surface of the alcohol ripples. This will speed the evaporation and concentration. The process will take several hours. The more alcohol extract - the longer the evaporation time. As the alcohol evaporates and the level recedes down into the glass, wash the residue that adheres to the inside of the glass back into the solution. Any fumes that are generated will be harmless because the alcohol is a non poisonous drinkable spirit. Keep flames away from the solution - pure alcohol is very flammable.
One can also use heat to evaporate and concentrate the liqueur. Use a double boiler type of set up to heat and evaporate off the alcohol to concentrate the liqueur (as in the initial slurry prep). At this point, with hot concentrated liqueur (no crystal precipitate) it is best to go immediately to the storage tek (see Dosage and Storage at the end).
The concentrated shroom liqueur will have a pungent mushroomy aroma (like fungi perfume). Also, a white crystalline kind of precipitate will form in the alcohol liqueur (see above photo) as it cools. Store it in small screw cap bottles or vials in the freezer. Alcohol doesn't freeze solid and will remain liquid.
IMPORTANT GUIDELINES
1. Use warm-hot temps when boiling the initial slurry (shroom-alcohol). Use a double boiler for the slurry vessel. Avoid direct heat to the bottoms of the slurry soaking vessels. The extract has a tendency to bake on and stick very easily.
2. A good filter is a must. Lab quality filter paper helps for a cleaner extract (less shroom stuff).
3. When filtering the slurry, do it while it is hot (immediately after boiling).
4. When heated in the initial slurry, the psilocybin alkaloid extracts are free base molecules. In the final liqueur on cool down, the free base molecules will coalesce and form crystals. It takes a day or two for the process to be complete. The less the final amount of liquid is, the easier it is for the free base psilocybin molecules to meet each other and coalesce into the whitish crystalline substance.
5. The crystalline extract can be completely dried by placing the liqueur container in front of a small fan to get most of the liquid out. To complete the drying, desiccant is recommended. Place the small vessel of liqueur into a larger jar with quality desiccant. It takes several days to complete drying. The final crystalline substance can be weighed, worked with and experimented with. It is like big pieces of salt.
6. TEK personalization through experience is what happens to anyone trying this. Extracting plant material is an ancient art, and the ways are myriad.
DOSAGE and STORAGE
On cooling and with time, the free base psilocybin molecules coalesce in the liqueur and precipitate into a whitish crystalline extract which falls to the bottom of the storage vessel. The freebase Psilocybin molecules come together fast in the cool alcohol.
Storage and dosage prep is the same. If the liqueur has already precipitated the crystals, heat the final concentrated liqueur (for example - 20 grams of dried shrooms can be extracted to 50-100 milliliters alcohol) in its storage vessel in a pot of hot water. Boil the liqueur and stir and scrape deposits from the glass as the liqueur boils lightly. Alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water. Keep the storage vessel off the bottom of the boiling water pot. Direct heat is very bad for the liqueur, making it stick. As the liqueur boils, the crystals and extract will remelt with time. The large particles of the crystals can be crushed with a long needle probe to hurry up the process. When the crystals are dissolved, administer the magic liqueur while it is HOT. Using a syringe enables uniformity and accuracy of the dosages. Keep the liqueur stirred up to keep it uniform. The hot liqueur quickly becomes cloudy (precipitate) on slight cooling. A hot temperature of the liqueur with remelted crystals is important for accurate dosage administration.
While it is hot, dispense equal portions of the liqueur (10cc-20cc) into small storage jars with watertight caps. Each small jar is allowed to cool, the cap is put on and the jar is placed into the freezer for storage. Each jar is equivalent to an exact fraction of the original dry shroom weight so that dosage can be accurately controlled and determined.
When it is time to trip, the desired liqueur jars (with potency ratings) are removed from the freezer, allowed to warm to room temps, the lids taken off, a small fan is set up blowing air across the jars mouths and the liqueur is evaporated off to a manageable "hit" (variable alcohol). The small jars then become administration vessels where the entire contents (alcohol-water-crystalline extract) can easily be completely consumed.
PROCURING 190 PROOF ETHYL ALCOHOL ("Everclear" - "Golden Grain" et) FROM A LIQUOR STORE
First, call a well stocked liquor store and ask if they have 190 proof ethyl alcohol. Full service liquor stores supply hospitals and laboratories with 190 - 200 proof ethyl alcohol. If a permit is needed, call the state liquor board (usually in the State Capital) and ask for an application to get an ethyl alcohol permit. The fee is 5 or 10 dollars. On the application will be a question asking what the use of the alcohol will be. Write what they more or less want to hear. State that the use of the alcohol will be for "non-toxic surface sterilizing plus herb extraction - preservation - tincture - and perfume making" (or something to that effect).
A GOOD PRO QUALITY SHROOM EXTRACTING FILTERING SET UP (inexpensive)
Dig these great low prices on professional quality glass labware. Once you get these things, they will last you a life time and are the only real great way to filter mushroom extractions in that they do way better than coffee filters and get all of the nasty shroom stuff and let the good magic constituents through without the stomach upset ordeal. I have ordered from this company, and they are great. They will work with you also. They seem to be a small company.
Cynmar Corporation
P.O. Box 530
Carlinville, IL 62626
Phone: 800-223-3517
http://www.cynmar.com/
FILTERING FLASK PARTS LIST
1. Buchner filtering funnel
174 ml capacity (70 mm filter paper size)
catalogue number 150-23372
$6.75
Filter paper (for the 174 ml Buchner funnel)
7 cm (70mm)
Slow flow - catalogue number 111-19707
medium flow - catalogue number 111-21010
fast flow - catalogue number 111-21002
pack of 100 - $1.20 each
2. 250 ml Filtering flask (recommended - its smaller capacity (volume) makes it easy to use your own breath to pull the extract alki out of the thick slurry through the fine lab grade filtering paper discs and down into the flask)
250 ml capacity
$10.50
catalogue number 115-33105
3. Size 2 filter adapter (it holds the funnel with a good airtight seal onto the top of the filtering flask - like a grommet). (also, you might want to order size 1 and 3 filter adapters just in case the flask is different - so that you will have the filter adapter you need, regardless of the derivation in these filtering flasks that happen so ofter)
catalogue number 124-33752
$2.10
4. And you will need a poly tube (hardware store) to connect to the filtering flask nodul for sucking the air out of the flask and getting the thick - hot - steamy alcohol and shroom slurry to filter through the fine lab filter paper.
August 15 - 2005
Professor Fanaticus
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 Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
#5068491 - 12/15/05 06:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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sweet it got moved to the forum im in, now ill actually find it when i go looking!
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: incubaby_421]
#5068506 - 12/15/05 06:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have done it to my own meathod , i made it so that i got pure psilo precipitation . u should just do the calcuim tek
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: liveby]
#5068530 - 12/15/05 06:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really? And it worked? What was the final result like? PLEASE tell me more!
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
#14136804 - 03/17/11 01:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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How strong is the potency compared to eating dry raw shroomers??
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
#14136835 - 03/17/11 01:37 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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This must b how they make those chocolates. They say that mushroom crystals r inside it. From an extraction or something
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Ogla]
#14198020 - 03/28/11 01:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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bump!
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Reminds me of this Ask-Shulgin post:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/extraction.htm
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Dear Dr. Shulgin:
A friend of mine performed a Soxhlet extraction of 12 grams of powdered Psilocybe cubensis, using 95% ethanol. When the 60 mL of extract cooled to room temperature, many small transparent, colorless crystals had formed on the bottom of the container and did not redissolve on agitation. Do you know what these crystals are? -- Journeyman
Dear Journeyman:
There is a fascinating report in the literature that gives a quantitative measurement of the efficiency of extraction of both psilocybin and psilocin from the mushroom Psilocybe bohemica. The citation to the article is Kysilka, R. and Wurst, M., Planta Med. Vol. 56 pp. 327-328 (1990). These Czechoslovakian scientists studied the efficiency of both methanol and ethanol as solvents, each containing varying amounts of water. The results were, to me, both unexpected and most provocative.
The isolation of psilocybin seemed to be quite reasonable. This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol. And the extraction efficiency is optimum with methanol and almost as good with ethanol. With both, the less water present, the better. The compound is, after all, a perfect example of a zwitterion, the internal salt of a phosphoric acid and an amine base.
But the numbers with psilocin are strange. With aqueous ethanol, the optimum extraction was with a 70% ethanol concentration, and the extraction efficiency dropped almost to zero when there was no water present. But methanol was extremely inefficient regardless of the amount of water present in it. These researchers were apparently surprised by these findings, as they explored further and uncovered other clues. Time is a factor. Psilocin is extracted at a much slower rate than is psilocybin because it is contained intracellularly in the plant, and thus slower to be gotten out. They conclude that many of the low psilocin assays of mushrooms are due to this difficulty of getting the alkaloid out of the plant and into the extracting solvent. Using this information they determined that the levels of psilocybin and psilocin are substantially the same in Psilocybe bohemica, in conflict with the published literature values where very small amounts of psilocin were observed.
Efficient extraction apparently requires patience.
As to the identity of the crystals that were drifting around in the cooled Soxhlet receiver, from their being insoluble in ethanol, and white, and transparent, I would guess that you are seeing pure psilocybin.
-- Dr. Shulgin
If you don't know what a soxhlet extractor is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soxhlet_extractor
The shrooms sit inside the "thimble" in the middle of the apparatus. Ethanol is boiled in the bottom flask, and the vapors rise up into a reflux condenser, which cools the vapor and allows the (now distilled) ethanol to soak the shrooms. Once the thimble chamber is filled to a certain level, this ethanol saturated solvent is siphoned back into the bottom flask. This process continuously soaks the shrooms in pure, distilled ethanol and concentrates the extracts in the bottom flask. The result is a flask of ethanol that is super saturated with psilocybin, allowing pure crystals to form and precipitate out at room temperature. If you were to freeze this solution, even more crystals would precipitate out.
this ebay seller is offering a complete soxhlet extractor for $70
http://cgi.ebay.com/Soxhlet-Extractor-55-50-Joint-Large-Size-/390282295597?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adea3392d
You would just need the equipment to stand the stuff up and you could probably use a pot of boiling water for the heat source.
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wouldn't this be better in chemistry and pharmacology?
(good tek btw)
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Quote:
Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
Reminds me of this Ask-Shulgin post:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/extraction.htm
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Dear Dr. Shulgin:
A friend of mine performed a Soxhlet extraction of 12 grams of powdered Psilocybe cubensis, using 95% ethanol. When the 60 mL of extract cooled to room temperature, many small transparent, colorless crystals had formed on the bottom of the container and did not redissolve on agitation. Do you know what these crystals are? -- Journeyman
Dear Journeyman:
There is a fascinating report in the literature that gives a quantitative measurement of the efficiency of extraction of both psilocybin and psilocin from the mushroom Psilocybe bohemica. The citation to the article is Kysilka, R. and Wurst, M., Planta Med. Vol. 56 pp. 327-328 (1990). These Czechoslovakian scientists studied the efficiency of both methanol and ethanol as solvents, each containing varying amounts of water. The results were, to me, both unexpected and most provocative.
The isolation of psilocybin seemed to be quite reasonable. This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol. And the extraction efficiency is optimum with methanol and almost as good with ethanol. With both, the less water present, the better. The compound is, after all, a perfect example of a zwitterion, the internal salt of a phosphoric acid and an amine base.
But the numbers with psilocin are strange. With aqueous ethanol, the optimum extraction was with a 70% ethanol concentration, and the extraction efficiency dropped almost to zero when there was no water present. But methanol was extremely inefficient regardless of the amount of water present in it. These researchers were apparently surprised by these findings, as they explored further and uncovered other clues. Time is a factor. Psilocin is extracted at a much slower rate than is psilocybin because it is contained intracellularly in the plant, and thus slower to be gotten out. They conclude that many of the low psilocin assays of mushrooms are due to this difficulty of getting the alkaloid out of the plant and into the extracting solvent. Using this information they determined that the levels of psilocybin and psilocin are substantially the same in Psilocybe bohemica, in conflict with the published literature values where very small amounts of psilocin were observed.
Efficient extraction apparently requires patience.
As to the identity of the crystals that were drifting around in the cooled Soxhlet receiver, from their being insoluble in ethanol, and white, and transparent, I would guess that you are seeing pure psilocybin.
-- Dr. Shulgin
If you don't know what a soxhlet extractor is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soxhlet_extractor
The shrooms sit inside the "thimble" in the middle of the apparatus. Ethanol is boiled in the bottom flask, and the vapors rise up into a reflux condenser, which cools the vapor and allows the (now distilled) ethanol to soak the shrooms. Once the thimble chamber is filled to a certain level, this ethanol saturated solvent is siphoned back into the bottom flask. This process continuously soaks the shrooms in pure, distilled ethanol and concentrates the extracts in the bottom flask. The result is a flask of ethanol that is super saturated with psilocybin, allowing pure crystals to form and precipitate out at room temperature. If you were to freeze this solution, even more crystals would precipitate out.
this ebay seller is offering a complete soxhlet extractor for $70
http://cgi.ebay.com/Soxhlet-Extractor-55-50-Joint-Large-Size-/390282295597?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adea3392d
You would just need the equipment to stand the stuff up and you could probably use a pot of boiling water for the heat source.
does this extractor also work for making hash oil? or will it only work for other things?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: imachavel]
#14198278 - 03/28/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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it depends on what you're trying to extract and what solvents you're trying to use.
THC, I believe, is a non-polar compound, which is why it is soluble in fats and not soluble in water. So theoretically you could use an appropriate non-polar solvent to do an extraction on cannabis, but I'm not sure what solvent would be best for that.
Using this kind of setup with shrooms and ethanol works well because psilocybin has a low solubility in ethanol, and not much else gets dissolved (high efficiency) . Thus with each pass of clean solvent only a little bit of psilocybin is actually extracted, but this is done over and over and over again and it's all concentrated in the bottom flask. The low solubility allows the crystals to precipitate easily at room temp once the solution has been saturated.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: imachavel]
#14198279 - 03/28/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know you can extract mesculine with this
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: imachavel]
#14198281 - 03/28/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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i plan trying the tamisium extractor with some compressed methonal or acetone...
I figure if i just run it over and over, i should extract out a great amount and be able to recover 100% of my solvent
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
#14198354 - 03/28/11 03:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey, I just googled that tamisium extractor. That's some cool shit! Now THAT is what you would want to use to make hash oil!
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
#14478839 - 05/19/11 02:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone try this????
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Anyone try this????
Tried what? The OP?
The method that OP posted, with everclear, works just fine...
Best to use a soxhlet extractor to get a >pure product...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
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How potent can this be? Can you drop liquid unto sugar cubes?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
#14479857 - 05/19/11 05:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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 This is in my freezer. I did the Everclear extract, and put it in the freezer till my bottles got here in the mail. I then come home from a week of work out of town, to see these crystal all through my tincture. I took a spoon in dug out a small pile to smoke but I haven't had the BALLS to smoke it!!! I heard it is stronger than DMT? I will do it this Sat. probably, hopefully!
Has anyone tried smoking the crystal? Or dosing it in any way? By the way I used 3oz's Cubensis, and Everclear.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: cubeeater]
#14479881 - 05/19/11 05:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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So does this mean you can use everclear to extract crystal psilocybin from mushrooms???
I'm a little confused. It sounds as if you guys are saying. You just do an alcohol extraction, leave it in the freezer, and then you have psilocin/cybin crystals?
Or did I skim through this information too quickly
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: cubeeater]
#14479887 - 05/19/11 05:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol, just realized that this thread is 5 years old. I wanted to make my own, but seen this and thought I would add without reading.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: cubeeater]
#14480070 - 05/19/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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T_T the moral of the story is that water works better than ethanol.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: cubeeater]
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Quote:
cubeeater said:
This is in my freezer. I did the Everclear extract, and put it in the freezer till my bottles got here in the mail. I then come home from a week of work out of town, to see these crystal all through my tincture. I took a spoon in dug out a small pile to smoke but I haven't had the BALLS to smoke it!!! I heard it is stronger than DMT? I will do it this Sat. probably, hopefully!
Has anyone tried smoking the crystal? Or dosing it in any way? By the way I used 3oz's Cubensis, and Everclear.
those crystals you have are not psilocybin.
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If you were to attempt to ethanol "extract" mushrooms - the best you could end up with is a very potent liquid to dose from (at least 1m/1g). Main problem is oxidation during processing which could be addressed with food grade ascorbic acid (and a little EDTA for good measure). Getting crystals isn't 'doable at this point...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Yippie]
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1 mL per 1 gram tincture is easy and efficient with ethanol. Just sayin'.
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what would be the purpose of doing it ?
I can't think of any benefits 
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Zzzarathustra]
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Benefits of alcohol extraction?
Primary benefit- you don't have to eat the mushrooms!
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: drr]
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I'm really anxious to try this. Here's a tek: http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/pkeffect/_pkeffect_psilo_extraction.html
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Yippie]
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If you were to attempt to ethanol "extract" mushrooms - the best you could end up with is a very potent liquid to dose from (at least 1m/1g). Main problem is oxidation during processing which could be addressed with food grade ascorbic acid (and a little EDTA for good measure). Getting crystals isn't 'doable at this point...
please explain... what is the obstacle? It seems like the only difficult part would be precipitation and filtration, right?
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also, I wouldn't try to smoke psilocybin crystals. Shulgin says that they break down from the heat and it's not effective. Just eat them...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Benefits of alcohol extraction?
Primary benefit- you don't have to eat the mushrooms!
I don't eat them anyway, tea works just as good for me. It's fast and effective. No nausea either.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Zzzarathustra]
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make tea fools! it's called "water extraction"   
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Zzzarathustra]
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I don't eat them anyway, tea works just as good for me. It's fast and effective. No nausea either.
Tea still taste like ass bro....
@Doc
Ive been pondering the idea of, making Psilo-Suckers with an everclear extraction much like how i make my THC-Suckers...
Only difference id see is, to make hard candy you have to get the sugar corn syrup up to 300 degrees...
I doubt the additional 88 degrees will hurt the psilocybin... 
Either way, it will be tried prior this upcoming music festival!
Imagine, a Cherry Cheesecake sucker that gets you high... 
Doc, on a side note with the alcohol extractions, or extractions in general...
What was your come up time?
When we did this a few years back, if i remember correctly, our come up time seemed 5-15 mins...
Really fast and really smooth...
We only tried the extraction once thou...any experience on this?
The reason i ask is...
When i make my thc suckers, pound for pound, i think they get you higher than other foods that you eat...
I figure this is due to the sucker getting dissolved as basicly a "liquid", alot of which is dissolved into the receptors in the mouth, which to my understanding can absorb more magic due to no digestive fluids...
If any of this makes sense, lemme kno...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
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300F seems pretty hot. Maybe stir in the magic as the candy is cooling?
Comeup time is semi-immediate with tincture in a glass of juice on an empty stomach.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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300F seems pretty hot. Maybe stir in the magic as the candy is cooling?
By the time the candy cools >~40 degrees from 300, its already semi hard 
I still plan on giving it a test run...
I'll let you know how it plays out...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
#14484660 - 05/20/11 02:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you look at the Erowid page, there's a range of melting points for psilocybin, depending on origin and extraction style.
But even if it melts, that's not saying it necessarily will degrade- you can melt sugar, for example.
So try it and let us know.
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please explain... what is the obstacle? It seems like the only difficult part would be precipitation and filtration, right?
Sorry, thought I was more clear - beyond getting the alcohol extraction done, you need to retard the oxidation of psilocybin while you extract/reduce. Also there is no precipitation step since no one can/has isolated crystal psilocybin from mushrooms - just making a "mushroom tincture" that is stable (best stored in the freezer).
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Yippie]
#14485113 - 05/20/11 03:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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It would be utterly simple to extract pure psilocybin from mushrooms with the right equipment.
And even homebrew recrystallization will get you a good long way toward that goal.
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what would be the purpose of doing it ?
I can't think of any benefits
Having a longterm stable, oxidation-resistant solution that could be dosed from simply and has a rapid onset would be the general idea. Additionally, reducing a large 100g bag of mushroom material down to small 100ml of amber liquid in the freezer may be advantageous for some...
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It would be utterly simple to extract pure psilocybin from mushrooms with the right equipment.
And even homebrew recrystallization will get you a good long way toward that goal.
I look forward to your tek...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Yippie]
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Meh. I stopped with tincture, it was good enough for me.
I don't have a chromatography column anyway, I'd have to buy stuff.
Still, not that big of a deal.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
#14573575 - 06/07/11 10:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Click on the links in the OP post- workman made crystals with ever clear- whats the skinny on that
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coming soon(today) mushroom jello shots! I extracted 10 grams of pins 3x with goldengrains/double boiler. I'm evaporating now, down to 100ml. I'm at 150, and I started at 300. Soon, 10ml into each little solo cup, and jello jiggler strenth on top. Watch for the tek!
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It will work!
1g per Jello Shot sounds awesome!
How long did you soak/simmer your extraction?
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a total of 3 1/2 hours. 10g pins+100ml GG 1/2 hour, filter. Back in the jar, 100ml more GG, 1 hour. filter. 100ml more and 2 hours. I shoot for 150-160f in the double boiler. Mushroom shots have been a hit for me for about the last year, and using the pins/aborts really kicks it in.
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Im curious how u guys filter yours?
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2 coffee filters on top of a pint mason jar. Push it down to make a cup, put the ring on
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I think im gonna go buy some syringes and make some doctor's jello shots this way...
Never thought about it TBH, and this seems like a good way to choke them down...
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2 coffee filters on top of a pint mason jar. Push it down to make a cup, put the ring on
The reason i asked, is someone talked about workman getting crystals from everclear...
I've never been able to get a clean enough mixture to get crystals
I've been meaning to get a hand vacuum filter for awhile... 
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
#14573773 - 06/07/11 10:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those crystals are impurities, primarily sugars. IMHO.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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The black sludge has always sat me off right...
Never thought of that doc...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: total]
#14573802 - 06/07/11 10:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, there's magic in there too, plenty of it.
But the big hexagonal crystals aren't it.
I guess you could freeze, remove those, then recondense and recrystiallize.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
#14573862 - 06/07/11 11:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the maximum concentration - In your opinion that you could get in a tincture- only want like 2grams to ml is that possible- found a Soxhlet on ebay for 45 bux-used
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#14573896 - 06/07/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do 1g = 1 mL for easy dosing.
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But 2 is completely doable? like my doses in 2's don't really like odd numbers-
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like my doses in 2's don't really like odd numbers-
OCD Much?
So then take 2ml, and just look at it like that...
Your either taking ONE dose of 2g, or TWO doses of 1g...
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nope 2 doses of 2gr equal 4 perfect square perfect dose
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Why dont you try it and find out then...
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if you took 4 grams worth of this shit (thats made with all pins & aborts), you'd be paralyzed  2 grams tore me up, last time
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But 2 is completely doable?
I believe it is. Never tried it, but it should be just fine.
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But 2 is completely doable?
I believe it is. Never tried it, but it should be just fine.
I agree, the MOST you could hope to get is 25 mg of actives off of 2 grams, and that would easily fit in a ml, it would prob. even stay in solution at room temp.
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I feel an experiment coming on...
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Ok, so how many Ml of ethanol should be put in the flask- for 30g of mush- Is 100ml fine? And how long should it be in the Sohxlet for(is the term reflux?) then evaporate down to 15ml and that should be 2 grams of concentrated mush to 1 ml right?
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But 2 is completely doable? like my doses in 2's don't really like odd numbers-
LOL fer reals?
I think you should just challenge yourself and take one single dose of 2.54673 (for example) grams, honestly. You're going to have to get over that superstitious nonsense at some point. Or not I guess. LOL
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Ok, so how many Ml of ethanol should be put in the flask- for 30g of mush- Is 100ml fine? And how long should it be in the Sohxlet for(is the term reflux?) then evaporate down to 15ml and that should be 2 grams of concentrated mush to 1 ml right?
My sohxlet holds 20g of dry mushroom powder. You'll need well over 2x the volume of the cup, 250-500 or so. Fill the vessel about 2/3 if you can.
I extract for an hour or so, but I don't know if you need to go that long. It's just fun.
Then reconfigure for solvent recovery with fractionation and a drying tube and get most of the alc off it.
Add fresh solvent if needed to bring final product up to desired volume, 15mL or whatever you like.
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"wash the residue that adheres to the inside of the glass back into the solution."
can anyone help with exactly what this means?
like use a syringe of everclear and get it off the sides
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: 2jew4u]
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Just finished a sexy 200ml mini-bottle full of ethanol extraction of a full ounce of cubes. (Actually 225 ml if you fill the bottle up to the rim) It was about 20g of older cubes I had lying around and just over 8 grams of very potent PE mixed together. Hoping to test it out this weekend... maybe tonight!
I don't have any sexy lab glassware like Doc_T, but hopefully my ghetto grind, heat, shake, soak, filter process works well. Should be roughly 1.4 grams per 10 mls at this concentration level.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: gornyhuy]
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HELL YA! It'll work. Did you only do one extraction? It hits you WAY faster this way. 15 minutes or less
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Don't know if this has been asked, but can this be done with isopropyl alcohol and full evaporation?
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not really. Isopropyl alcahol is generally never 100% so what else is in there? water. The alcahol evaporates, leaving the water, which evaporates, but the shelf life of psilocin is so short, it would be ruined by the time it was dry. Thats mt opinion
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: SomeGuy]
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HELL YA! It'll work. Did you only do one extraction? It hits you WAY faster this way. 15 minutes or less
Sweeet! Didn't try it yet. Wound up vaping MJ and drinking bourbon instead.
IT was an awesome night anyway.
So - I did 2 extractions and then a rinse. First extraction was almost 2 weeks soaking and shaking many times per day with a shot or two of lemon juice in there too, then a heat/shake at the end. Second extraction was straight 200 proof ethanol soaked and shaken for a couple days, almost a week. Then I did a quick soak and rinse in more ethanol just enough to kind of rinse the mush and squeeze out anything that was left.
I ran the liquid through a tight gold mesh coffee filter several times, and then ran that through a t-shirt. It is almost entirely liquid, though there is a tiny bit of "dust" sediment in there. Its also a rich burgundy goldish color and it glows under black light.
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it glows under black light.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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i have read some things saying black light is bad for psilo some saying good what is it :P
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we dont know
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: k00laid]
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well, there is no way it could be GOOD. Could it be bad? who knows
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: k00laid]
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Hmm, what is that actual advantage to this over mushroom tea? Is it really worth wasting everclear?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Moo456]
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It evaporates faster. Easy concentration for powerful doses. Search for "wok-still" it is a super simple device that would allow you to recoer the everclear
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Ehh, mushrooms are already such an easy drug for me to consume. May as well save the everclear for a mescaline tincture.
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Hmm, what is that actual advantage to this over mushroom tea? Is it really worth wasting everclear?
It's tiny and stores great in the freezer.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
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Still appreciate the method though.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
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Hi all
New here, but ready to hit the ground running. After lurking on here for a while, very nice place btw, this ethanol extraction caught my eye. I had my heart set on a seemingly simple San Pedro extraction (MJshroomer on errowid) but decided that my first extraction of anything should be with something I have extensive experience with. Plus I despise the taste, texture, and adverse side effects of eating our fungi friends, and im tired of my peanut butter toast method.
I plan on giving this tek a whirl this upcoming weekend. The everclear that I acquired is a 750ml, and I'm going to us a 1/2 oz of a friends private stock for this go. I understand that the end result we want less liquid, but for the initial phase, will the 750 be enough? I was planning on not using the whole bottle, but after reading some other reports, people were using 1.75 l bottles, and then reducing. Will this be an issue? And does anyone have any tips to keep in mind for my first extraction? I plan on documenting it too, just in case. Anyway Thanks in advance, love the site and you guys rock. You guys make me wish i majored in chemistry instead of philosophy, :-). See ya around.
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The way I've always done it is 30 ml per gram(10 ml x 3 extractions) which is 900 ml per ounce. Since you are doing 1/2, 15 x 30=450, so yea, I'd say thats plenty. It's always worked well for me that way
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: SomeGuy]
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So my roommate and I want to brew a psychedelic beer and I came across this extraction tek. The idea would be to add the extract during bottling. My question is would the psylocyben degrade in the bottle as fermentation continues? Anyone with any experience with this please chime in. Also if anyone can foresee any other problems with this plan please let me know. Thanks
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: clevekid]
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I've been lurking these blue juice threads for a bit because I'm attempting to make a good batch of it. There seems to be a divide between whether the extraction process should be done with or without heat. I don't have one of those fancy stills, so I'm stuck with using a double boiler setup. I made a first go at it a few days ago using 3 g of powdered mushrooms in 30 ml of everclear 95%. I heated the mixture to 170 F for 30 minutes, strained, then repeated the process with fresh everclear once more. I used a garlic press to squeeze every last drop out of the remaining fibrous material.
I tried out a tester dose of 1 g equivalent last night and it seemed like it was bit weak to me. I've taken 1 g doses before of the dried mushrooms and, while very mild, I feel that I still felt more than what I was feeling last night. I'm wondering if my heated extraction time could have been too long as the article in the first post recommends only 10 minutes of extraction time. I made green dragon several times before and that's always been a big success for me. I can extend the mileage of 1/8th ounce to 20 blissful doses by making a tincture out of it. I was hoping to see similar results with a mushroom extraction.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: pothead_bob]
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But I don't think you left it long enough...I think a better way would be to put them in a jar with ever clear and let them sit for a month or so. Maybe heat it for a bit every so often and be sure to shake regurarly.
Also be sure you powder your mush to allow for more surface area
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Hmm, what is that actual advantage to this over mushroom tea? Is it really worth wasting everclear?
It's tiny and stores great in the freezer.
For long term storage it can't be beat! Plus I love being able to accurately measure out a dose in less than a minute and have all the benefits of tea (quick onset / no nausea) without the wait.
I want to get a bunch of little airplane liqueur bottles for storage, pre-measure say 3 gram doses. Travel ready and stealth as hell!
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Kief Ledger]
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Yeah, I know, old thread, but I didn't feel like starting another on this topic since this is well documented. Unfortunately, I don't have the time for a month. I figured the heat would speed up the process like it does for green dragon. Also, the tek at the beginning of this thread calls for heat. But maybe 1 hour, which is what I did, is too long and is breaking down some of the goodness. The tek calls for 10 min per flush. I'm gonna try again tonight. But I'm going to do 3 flushes with slightly less alcohol per flush. I'll try 7 ml per gram. And I'll boil the mixture for only 10 minutes per flush.
It wasn't a bad time when I tried it last night. It was just more like a mood enhancer. We'll see how 3 g goes.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: pothead_bob]
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I used boiling ethanol in a soxhlet extractor, then reconfigured for solvent recovery by fractional distillation.
Probably 3+ hours at temperature, the soxhlet is fun to watch. So I doubt heat is your problem.
But redosing again so soon isn't going to work well, wait a couple weeks.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Well that was a fucking disaster last night. The first extraction went pretty well. Then when I was using my garlic press to get all the drops out of the slurry, it snapped and threw slurry all over the kitchen. That must have been the omen. I put all the squeezed slurry back into my mason jar and dropped it back into the hot water. A few seconds in, I hear a pop, I lift up the jar and the water in the boiler pot turns brown. The bottom of the mason jar broke and dumped the contents of the alcohol slurry into the pot.
So now I'm left with this big pot of water/everclear/mushroom paste thinking "what the fuck do I do now?" I should have known not to use mason jars as my slurry chamber. It always worked for green dragon because I always put it in when the water was cool and then brought that temp up. But with the second extraction of the mushroom slurry, I'm putting the cold jar into hot water and since mason jars are made of shitty glass, thermal expansion is the nail in the coffin. So after I gathered myself, I strained the pot to collect my slurry back and decided I would just try to reduce that 1.5 qts of brown water down to like half a cup and just add it to the rest of my extract. I cranked the heat up, put a big fan above it to remove energy from the surface, and monitored the temperature. I kept the temp of the water below 175 F during the reduction process.
As for the slurry, I put it back into my double boiler (this time using a pot as my slurry vessel), filled it with everclear and did a second extraction for 10 min. Strained it, put it back in for a 3rd extraction, strained it again. I figured I might as well throw the spent shit into my brown water mixture to get as much out of it as possible, so I did that, finished reducing the brown water down, strained that and added it all into my mixture.
There were chunks in the tincture since my filtration process was kinda sloppy, so I heated the tincture, reduced it a bit, re-strained and now I'm left with about 8 oz of tincture. I hope it works after that fiasco.
If I enjoy this mehtod of taking the mushrooms over others, I'm gonna get myself one of those soxhlet extractors to make this whole process easier. Can you make green dragon in those extractors? Do they use less everclear than the double boiler method?
I won't be able to wait a couple weeks before redosing cuz I'm making this shit for a trip I'm taking next week. I was thinking of trying a bit of this batch tomorrow just to see if it worked. That would be 3 days after my last 1 g dose. I read somewhere that 3 days is the minimum needed to eliminate tolerance, but that could be pure horse shit for all I know.
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"It's a poor workman as blames his tools" - Sam Gamgee.
Canning jars aren't made from shitty glass. You put a cold jar into hot water.
You'd break a pyrex lab flask doing that. Or any glass object.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Yes put the pot in the water while still cold and then slowly bring up to tempreture. This will solve the breaking problem..
Personally I don't think extracting psilo would be too much different from green dragon..
Not sure the difference in solubility rates thou..
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Canning jars (at least the ones I have) aren't made from borosillicate glass, which is much more capable of handling thermal stresses than non-borosillicate glass. This is why they make laboratory equipment out of borosillicate glass. Had I used lab equipment to do this instead of regular canning jars, barring any defects with the equipment, I highly doubt this would have happened. While this thought crossed my mind during the first extraction, I ignored it, unfortunately.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Kief Ledger]
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Yes put the pot in the water while still cold and then slowly bring up to tempreture. This will solve the breaking problem..
If I were using a pot, there would be no need to start with cold water since the pot is made of steel, which is ductile and capable of handling thermal expansion without failure. The brittle material of the canning jar on the other hand...
I'm trying to see what the difference is in the two methods, myself. It seems like most people recommend multiple extractions when extracting psylocibin. The green dragon can be made with just one 20 minute extraction and it produces stellar results. This first mushroom tincutre I made, I did 2 30 min extractions at 170 F. The effects seemed a bit weaker than just eating the dry material. This one, I did 3 10 min extractions at 170 F. I'll see what the difference is, but there's that whole issue of dumping the slurry into the water that may fuck up the results.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
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5. The crystalline extract can be completely dried by placing the liqueur container in front of a small fan to get most of the liquid out. To complete the drying, desiccant is recommended. Place the small vessel of liqueur into a larger jar with quality desiccant. It takes several days to complete drying. The final crystalline substance can be weighed, worked with and experimented with. It is like big pieces of salt.
I want to throw out my opinion on the old alcohol extraction tek. I think this is complete bullshit. I don't mean that you can't extract with ethanol or methanol, but the lovely white crystals part is very sketchy. There are many potential candidates for what the crystals could be. My educated guess is that people are extracting a form of mushroom sugar that precipitates out. Could there be some psilocybin/psilocin in it? Perhaps, but i think very little. I believe that if one were to have said chems in pure form, unless they were stabilized in a maleate form (if possible), running a fan over the crystals in plain air would result in a pile of useless blue shit. Sigma Aldrich sells pure psilocin. It is shipped in solution with methanol. Any technical chem extraction on mushrooms would utilize nitrogen atmosphere for preventing oxidation of psilocin. I'm aware that God Shulgin has spoken and supported someone who asked about the crystals. Maybe he was pressured by the guy asking. Maybe he wasn't thinking too clearly that day. Maybe he didn't ask the guy if the crystals were exposed to normal air and turned blue or not. Those crystals taste sugary to me and didn't produce any noticeable effect, the brown condensed goo however is another story. My theory is that there are (fats/oils?) that are extracted with the desired chems - which are subsequently locked into the goo and preserved from oxidation even upon reduction to a tootsie roll type of product.
To obtain pure psilocin from mushrooms requires a more sophisticated approach. Acetic acid extraction, then basified and extracted with ether, then recrystallized with chloroform/heptane, filtered under a stream of nitrogen gas. Stored in Methanol at low temp. That is from the rhodium archives anyway.
My two cents. So, if anyone has tripped balls on these crystals alone, please tell us the story Peace
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: blf003]
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5. The crystalline extract can be completely dried by placing the liqueur container in front of a small fan to get most of the liquid out. To complete the drying, desiccant is recommended. Place the small vessel of liqueur into a larger jar with quality desiccant. It takes several days to complete drying. The final crystalline substance can be weighed, worked with and experimented with. It is like big pieces of salt.
I want to throw out my opinion on the old alcohol extraction tek. I think this is complete bullshit. I don't mean that you can't extract with ethanol or methanol, but the lovely white crystals part is very sketchy. There are many potential candidates for what the crystals could be. My educated guess is that people are extracting a form of mushroom sugar that precipitates out. Could there be some psilocybin/psilocin in it? Perhaps, but i think very little. I believe that if one were to have said chems in pure form, unless they were stabilized in a maleate form (if possible), running a fan over the crystals in plain air would result in a pile of useless blue shit. Sigma Aldrich sells pure psilocin. It is shipped in solution with methanol. Any technical chem extraction on mushrooms would utilize nitrogen atmosphere for preventing oxidation of psilocin. I'm aware that God Shulgin has spoken and supported someone who asked about the crystals. Maybe he was pressured by the guy asking. Maybe he wasn't thinking too clearly that day. Maybe he didn't ask the guy if the crystals were exposed to normal air and turned blue or not. Those crystals taste sugary to me and didn't produce any noticeable effect, the brown condensed goo however is another story. My theory is that there are (fats/oils?) that are extracted with the desired chems - which are subsequently locked into the goo and preserved from oxidation even upon reduction to a tootsie roll type of product.
To obtain pure psilocin from mushrooms requires a more sophisticated approach. Acetic acid extraction, then basified and extracted with ether, then recrystallized with chloroform/heptane, filtered under a stream of nitrogen gas. Stored in Methanol at low temp. That is from the rhodium archives anyway.
My two cents. So, if anyone has tripped balls on these crystals alone, please tell us the story Peace
Isn't most of the psilocin oxidized during drying? So if you're extracting from dried flesh you're getting mainly psilocybin (as far as bioactive alkaloids are concerned. Psilocybin would be a salt, but being an organic salt, I imagine it is still fairly soluble in methanol. And probably even more so in ethanol.
But if you have experience with them, then I don't know. I also remember being very skeptical about this - even more so after finding that extraction link in the rhodium archives.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: breeg89]
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Psilocybin would be a salt, but being an organic salt, I imagine it is still fairly soluble in methanol. And probably even more so in ethanol.
What about isopropanol? Obviously not safe to drink the iso. alcohol, but would one be able to retrieve reasonably pure psilocybin/psilocin crystals without any worry of any toxic residue left behind, or destruction of the alkaloids?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: JoeMama1992]
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^ My apologies; I mis-spoke last night. It is probably LESS soluble in ethanol than methanol, and even less so in isopropanol.
I think the only ways to go about this are the rhodium tek or evaporate the methanol under vacuum. I saw one guy do the latter and get white crystals.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: breeg89]
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I've been reading extraction threads for 3 days, and so far I've found lots of people saying they've got a great method, but it is never really clear what their method is.
What is the 2012 state of the art for those who don't have (or want) meth-lab skills?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: xoc]
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I've still yet to try out the batch that I fucked up. Just haven't had the time for the past few weeks. I was thinking about drinking some for a concert I'm going to in a week, but it might not be the best idea since I'm uncertain how potent it is yet. I'll post back whenever I get around to trying it out.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: xoc]
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Hi everyone, My monkey butler has just signed up on this forum but have he has visited it on and off over the years but only ever tried an A/B mesc tek. He has just attempted this mushroom/ethanol tek using 95% ethanol he distilled myself using fractional distillation.
He used a small portable electric stove top and a saucepan of water with a medium sized pyrex dish containing 69grams of dried p.subaeringinosa and used 1.5litres of 95% ethanol. The solution in the pyrex dish never actually appeared to boil but occasionally displayed a random blob now and then... He constantly stirred it the whole time and approximately heated it for 40-60mins.
My monkey butler doesn't own a camera at the moment otherwise he would have taken pics of each step.
He doesn't have a method of testing the temperature he was boiling at but on the temp knob was 1-5 > max, he had it on max. The water was only 'just' bubbling and the pyrex dish took around 40 mins before it got too hot for my monkey butler to put his finger in the solution. [usually around 55-60 degrees [celsius]] Caveman methods I know but what's a guy gonna do but let his monkey butler try!
So... he repeated the above steps after using 2 coffee filters to strain, three more times.
He was left with approx 500ml of liquid in the final product. He mixed the batches together and put it in the freezer where it has been for 4 days now.
He keeps shaking it for agitation and now he has what looks like a yellowish sediment... I would love to say crystals but I took a look using a small cheap but effective 48x microscope and saw no crystalline structure which I have seen when my monkey butler has done the a/b mesc tek... perhaps that is because it's still soaked in ethanol, please enlighten me if that is the case as my monkey butler is new to all this and he won't take no for an answer so I want him to do it right! It seems too simple to be pure 'magic' so to speak!
What would people suggest my monkey butler do with the 500ml ethanol which contains 69grams of [filtered] dried fungus?
Reduce and store in eye dropper bottles? [My monkey butler has a box of 40 they hold approx 12ml] or reduce completely to a goo?
My monkey butler was hoping to extract the goods and do 2 things...
1. Store in caps for easy dosage and storage
2. Mix into truffles or chocolate for a novelty approach and potential synergistic effect with the chocolate alkaloids!
    
What do people suggest and how much should he reduce it down to if that's the right approach to take?
Some people would think this is a waste but I'd really love for my monkey butler to perfect long term stable storage. This gift of nature has been a true guide through my monkey butler's life over the past 12 years and he is kind of over eating the little gifts or drinking the thick putrid tasting tea.
He use to love them but it's a texture thing...
Season has only just started and he is well experienced in finding new spots as well as returning to old ones. Averaging 500-1000 each field trip, leaving at least twice that behind!
My monkey butler recently distilled 8 litres of 95% ethanol [cost him around $40AUD] so have plenty to play with.
This is the best chance my monkey butler has had to attempt these extractions so encouragement and any secret knowledge is welcome!
I'd especially like to know how to get my monkey butler to wash my dishes... I mean he will happily do this sort of house 'work' but never the cleaning.
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Anyone know whether it's crucial for the mushrooms to be completely cracker dried before added to the alcohol? Would any moisture in the mushrooms somehow destroy/oxidise the psilosybin?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Mullac]
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I tried the fucked up batch last week at a concert. Now, unfortunately it wasn't the only thing I had, so I didn't get the best read on it's effects. But I took 3/4 of an eighth equivalent. My buddy did too. We took on an empty stomach. It started kicking in after about 30 min I'd say. There was no awkward comeup like there normally is for me and no intestinal discomfort the whole night. It was definitely milder than it would be otherwise if not in extract form. But it was good for the concert because often times they can make me antisocial and introverted. I did, however, feel like a $100 bill for a good 2 hours. And both me and my buddy were very chatty the whole time. No visuals at alll and I never felt like I was in a different dimension. Remember, though, that 1) I messed up the extraction process and 2) the ingredients were about two years old to start with. It's definitely worth a shot to try this out and I'm looking forward to doing it again and making the extraction again the right way and with better ingredients.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: pothead_bob]
#16494118 - 07/07/12 07:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might consider getting a Buchner funnel for the next batch.
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He has just attempted this mushroom/ethanol tek using 95% ethanol he distilled myself using fractional distillation.
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How long should a properly prepared extract store for in a freezer?
I am looking for a way to securely hold on to a bumper crop without having to keep 3 oz of dried shrooms in mason jars in my closet. I was hoping to be able to extract and preserve the shrooms in a bottle of nice vodka at a 2 grams/fluid ounce ratio.
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Oh, a year or more.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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How long should a properly prepared extract store for in a freezer?
I am looking for a way to securely hold on to a bumper crop without having to keep 3 oz of dried shrooms in mason jars in my closet. I was hoping to be able to extract and preserve the shrooms in a bottle of nice vodka at a 2 grams/fluid ounce ratio.
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Oh, a year or more.
Should stay viable for many many years. Psilocybin / Psilocin will remain stable for a long time when stored in alcohol.
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sorry about that... my monkey butler typed this out for me, clearly HE didn't edit the post properly before sending.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Doc_T]
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Damn, has it been two years already? Well, I finally picked up a soxhlet extractor after all this time and I'm going to give this a shot again. I have the equipment to do the extraction, but not a fractional distillation. If you're still around, Doc_T, is the fractional distillation a necessary step in preparing the juice? Is that step just to further concentrate the extract?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: pothead_bob]
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@pothead_bob what two solvents are you trying to separate with fractional distillation? The water content from the ethanol? If so just dry the ethanol before using it to extract
@impulze a soxlet is completely overkill for alcohol extractions, sorry but you wasted some money there. Psilocybin is readily soluble in aqueous ethanol, it's like using a soxlet extractor to make coffee, just overkill.
Here's a Tek on making candy from your extracts:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19467376
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: WillSolvem]
#20723417 - 10/19/14 08:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol you guys are overthinking this wayy too much.
All you really need to do if you're just looking to trip is grind up your shrooms, soak them in 2-4oz of high proof liquor of your choice for 1 hour, strain it through a filter and squeeze out all the alcohol from the pulp and you're set.
I find the trip is a loot smoother, little more giggly and faster come up with less anxiety this method. I prefer this over the lemon tek.
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 Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Buttsnot]
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Lol you guys are overthinking this wayy too much.
The tek you are talking about will not extract near as much as if they followed the above tech. Its more work but you end up with a much better end product.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
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I don't quite understand one thing. According to Shulgin psilocybin is almost insoluble in ethanol:
"This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol."
If one now uses a Soxhlet extractor with let's say 96% ethanol, why does it work so well according to some people here? Do the 4% water do the extraction? What is the optimal ethanol content then? Why is Shuling also saying, that ethanol is very efficient and one should use as less water as possible?
"And the extraction efficiency is optimum with methanol and almost as good with ethanol. With both, the less water present, the better."
This sounds contradictory to me. On the one hand he is saying that psilocybin is best soluble in water and almost insoluble in ethanol. But on the other hand there should be as less water present as possible if one uses ethanol. Please help. I'm not a chemist. Maybe I'm mixing up the meaning of "extraction efficiency" and solubility.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kapps]
#25057906 - 03/12/18 08:34 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tried the tek on the first page. The only things I modified were: I used a coffee filter and 70% ethanol instead of 95%. After boiling for 10 minutes and filtering I pointed a fan at the liquid and let it evaporate down to an amount at which 1ml equals 0.5g dried shrooms.
To test the extract I made a cup of hot choclate and put 5ml in it, which corresponds to 2.5g dry.
After 15 minutes I already felt the effects, with a peak at around one hour. However, the intensity was something I would expect from 1.5g dry or so. Very little OEV/CEV. The most pronounced effect was a quite heavy but pleasant body load. It felt as if I was in a hot whirlpool. My skin was feeling very warm to hot and I also felt a kind of tickling and energy flowing through my body. What I also liked was that there was absolutely no nausea.
Now I'm not sure what to think of it. The shrooms I used were ok. I tried one 13g shroom fresh from the cake two days before and it was approximately of the same intensity as the 5ml liquid, if not stronger. Maybe a tolerance issue?
Is it really necessary to boil the shrooms in ehtanol? Would a cold extraction work as well? E.g. put the shrooms together with ethanol in a mixer and let it mix for a few minutes, then filter. I don't have enough shrooms to try that out.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: k00laid]
#26627449 - 04/25/20 03:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm looking forward to trying this next month. I think I'm going to wait to get a magnetic stirrer / hot plate to use with this tek. So, if the consensus is that the crystals are not active, could they just be filtered out after they form?
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kingfish4200]
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kapps]
#26636919 - 04/29/20 01:57 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't quite understand one thing. According to Shulgin psilocybin is almost insoluble in ethanol:
"This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol."
If one now uses a Soxhlet extractor with let's say 96% ethanol, why does it work so well according to some people here? Do the 4% water do the extraction? What is the optimal ethanol content then? Why is Shuling also saying, that ethanol is very efficient and one should use as less water as possible?
"And the extraction efficiency is optimum with methanol and almost as good with ethanol. With both, the less water present, the better."
This sounds contradictory to me. On the one hand he is saying that psilocybin is best soluble in water and almost insoluble in ethanol. But on the other hand there should be as less water present as possible if one uses ethanol. Please help. I'm not a chemist. Maybe I'm mixing up the meaning of "extraction efficiency" and solubility.
I was confused by this as well. Not being a chemist either, I would think that extraction efficiency would improve with higher solubility.
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I tried the tek on the first page. The only things I modified were: I used a coffee filter and 70% ethanol instead of 95%. After boiling for 10 minutes and filtering I pointed a fan at the liquid and let it evaporate down to an amount at which 1ml equals 0.5g dried shrooms.
To test the extract I made a cup of hot choclate and put 5ml in it, which corresponds to 2.5g dry.
After 15 minutes I already felt the effects, with a peak at around one hour. However, the intensity was something I would expect from 1.5g dry or so. Very little OEV/CEV. The most pronounced effect was a quite heavy but pleasant body load. It felt as if I was in a hot whirlpool. My skin was feeling very warm to hot and I also felt a kind of tickling and energy flowing through my body. What I also liked was that there was absolutely no nausea.
Now I'm not sure what to think of it. The shrooms I used were ok. I tried one 13g shroom fresh from the cake two days before and it was approximately of the same intensity as the 5ml liquid, if not stronger. Maybe a tolerance issue?
Regardless of your method, you've bioassayed the extract and found how dosing with it correlates to dosing with the starting material. This happens every time someone takes a given amount and doesn't get the trip they were expecting. It's the nature of something with variable potency like mushrooms(weed too). I do it with every batch of lemon tek and adjust the dose size to match expectations. It always ends up very consistent and predictable.
If you homogenized and took 2.5g of the same mushrooms you extracted and the effect was stronger than the calculated equivalent of extract, then you can begin to suspect low extraction efficiency or potency being reduced by something in the extraction.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: Sir Pentinite]
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I’ve successfully used methanol to extract, and the results seem as active as the weight that went in.
I’ve tested durability and it seems stable if kept out of sunlight (and in mu case resolved in 40% ethanol) for at least 6 months.
Cold 93% ethanol won’t dissolve the extract. When heated above 60°C it will dissolve, and stay in solution, even when put in the freezer?
The resulting goo, is a mix of crystals and a honey like substance. It is salty (I believe urea) and really challenging to separate.
Anyone who suggests that cold everclear is a good solvent for psilocybin, I would challenge, though it may be the ‘other’ compounds block resolving the methanol extract.
Urea seems to have a similar solubility profile to psilocybin, and may well be the challenge. The extract works incredibly well, no nausea or balance issues. Most report its like a 6 hr MDMA experience withiut the serotonin depletion, or redosability
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: kapps]
#27713964 - 03/30/22 11:59 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to Shulgin psilocybin is almost insoluble in ethanol:
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"And the extraction efficiency is optimum with methanol and almost as good with ethanol. With both, the less water present, the better."
This sounds contradictory to me. On the one hand he is saying that psilocybin is best soluble in water and almost insoluble in ethanol. But on the other hand there should be as less water present as possible if one uses ethanol. Please help. I'm not a chemist. Maybe I'm mixing up the meaning of "extraction efficiency" and solubility.
I'm not a chemist either and it sounds contradictory to me too. Hopefully someone can clarify, although the question would best be suited for our Chemistry and Pharmacology forum.
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: coAsTal]
#28028775 - 11/01/22 10:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello, I'm new to this forum and was wondering if anyone uses a still
for extraction. I've been doing this with cannabis for some time to make
eatables. I have a air still that process a gallon at a time of mash.
The still is digitally controlled and I set it at ethanol's boil point.
I mix a 1/4 cup of coconut oil or mtc oil with the exaction.You can exact
the ethanol for reuse and that leaves the mushroom extract
and water. You then set your still to 212 degrees and that removes the
remaining water. This leaves you with the added coconut oil with the
mushroom extract, will this work with mushroom extract and coconut oil?
Thanks Phil
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Re: ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF PSILOCYBIN [Re: g041579]
#28029433 - 11/02/22 01:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what is going on here. Shroom liquor makes sense for allot of reasons. Mostly because you can transport it and what cop is going around testing liquor for drugs.
These other things I don't understand. I thought extreme heat and oxygen destroyed the molecule.
I've heard that pure psilocin will give you a rough trip compared to the whole mushrooms, because of the binifits of the other chemicals in the mushrooms that are complementary.
I also don't know why anyone would drink that green shit, or go through the trouble of chemical extraction if you could just buy a $70 contraption on Amazon.
Please tell me I can get mescaline crystals from this (flux still) looking bubbler.
Sounds fish.
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