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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: RobMarley420]
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I tried this method last week. Here are some observations.

1. I tried this only 4 days after having done some the "regular" way.I did 1.5 grams.
2. I was going up to do them at my cottage so I put the powder into the lemon juice before I left. On the way there I saw a hippy-type girl fretting over a flat tire. I helped her out,gave her a gram of my extra stash(pay it forward,man) and by the time i got to my cottage and actually got around to taking it it had been in the juice for well over an hour.
3. Come up was in about a half an hour. It started slow and stayed there for another half hour.I thought it was going to fade because of the last dose being only 4 days before.
4. I did not get visuals,as such, but, rather, waking dreams of a world filled with Electric people. The people were electric,the environment was electric,I wish I could draw,man. They told,or somehow indicated to me that we can all communicate with them if we all learn to speak Esperanto!
5. the come down was about T=3 hrs. but the afterglow lasted several more.

I did the same thing the next week and got the same results and waking dreams. I'm trying to hold back and not do them for a couple of weeks and then try 2-3 grams and really see what happens.should give me more time to learn Esperanto!


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Blackhart]
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Just grinded up 2 grams of dry Pan Subbs and Mixed with two squeezed lemons and a shot of lemon concentrate. I haven't eaten anything all day, I'm going to let it set for 20 min and take it like a big shot. I'll report back in a few hours and let you all know how it went.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: vandago]
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i think it is all placebo if you ask me...think about it, im not the only one thats said what im about to say: how do you know that you wouldnt have tripped as hard without the juice? how do u know that those peticular shrooms werent just very powerful, and the juice actually decreased the effect? we dont know! at least we dont know untill some REAL research is done on this topic! we should all do one giant experiment(as in EVERY shroomeery member participates in) doing an exact pocedure. with everybody doing it the same(same strains, same growth method, evrything)


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: the_psychonaut]
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Well I dosed at 4:45 with 2 grams of ground up subbs ( normally about a threshhold level 1 trip for me) and I mixed it with two squeezed lemons and a shot of lemon concentrate. I definetly tripped harder. I am on a good level 3 trip. It kicked it around 5:05 and peaked aout 6:30 I"m just beginning to come down. JUst chilled out and listened to some Hot Cross. Very nice visuals.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: the_psychonaut]
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the_psychonaut said:
how do you know that you wouldnt have tripped as hard without the juice?  how do u know that those peticular shrooms werent just very powerful, and the juice actually decreased the effect? 



hmmm....heavily experienced trippers who grow their own shrooms and know exactly how much it takes to get them off, and more importantly WHAT DOESN'T, are reporting that a fraction of their usual dosage is hitting them harder than anything they have ever done....hmmmm....yeah just a placebo....

I have shroomed 200+ times, smoked weed for 30yrs, dropped cid 100+ times, and multiple other other recreational goodies. I've taken shrooms dry, powdered, fresh, in tea, while smoking weed, on an empty stomach, and on a full stomach. When it comes my body and mind on hallucinogens.... I do have some references to draw from.

My comfortable dosage of the shrooms that I have access too, (GT's from brf/quinoa spawned to h/poo) is 5g. Of these particular ones I have handled 6.8g just fine. Yet, it was still not the strongest shroom trip I've been on.

I will be trying 1g powdered of these same shrooms within the next ten days with fresh squeezed lemons. (sorry that it won't be sooner, but I've been taking alot this month and my tolerance was noticeable on my last fiesta  :frown: )

Normally, I would never take 1g. The effects of only a single gram would be barely noticeable to me, if at all, especially if I had some decent weed at the time.

We'll see what what happens... :wink:
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To everyone else,
the next step is to find the comfortable dosage amounts to get loooooong comfortable trips. Such as; 2g eaten + 1g w/lemon juice.

I have only read the first 15 pages of this thread.... so, I don't know if anyone has reported any combo dosage to help get the best of both worlds.

After I get the my feet wet with 1g w/juice, I will try some combo doses and report those results.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Bamaman]
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I tried soaking the mushrooms in lemon juice for 3-5 minutes before ingestion. I did see a significant difference in strength of trip as well how fast it came up. 15-20 minutes after I consumed the 3.5 grams of mush, I was close to tripping harder then I have ever on mush.

What was very interesting is the night before I had taken a single gram and done some nitrous, so I wasn't expecting very good effects due to tolerance. That wasn't the case. I will be using this method from here on out.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Trav]
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I little more in depth about my trip last night:

I had not eating anything all day but had smoked a little pot maybe a couple bowls of mid-grade here and there.

4:45 - Dosed glass that conatined 2 grams of dried panealeous subbalteatous, 2 squeezed lemons, 1 shot of lemon concentrate.

5:10 - Somethings definetly going to happen, stomache feels tight and tingling is beginning to happen in stomache.

5:20 - Decide to smoke some hash, take 3 tokes and it really kicks things up a notch, now at a level 1-2 already stronger than two grams would be at it's peak for me.

5:45-6:30 - Popped in Hot Cross - Cryonics ( fabulous cd check it out if you get the chance ) Laid back on my couch and shut off all the lights. Very nice visuals at this point, I almost felt myself losing it at points and times, where the only physical parts of my body I was aware of was my feet and my head. I was extremely surpised how gone I was for such a low dose.

6:30-7:00 - Still peaking but just chilling watching tv and smoking bongs. Visuals still there strong trails breathing walls, and a lot of time distortion.

7:30 - Starting to come down quick. Not like a normal dragged out mushroom end it ends a lot faster from 7:30 to 8 I started to feel more normal at a pretty seady rate.

I'd say this method is perfect for me. Long mushroom trips tend to make me feel a lot of tension and paranoia just because mushrooms do that to me. If I'm going to go to a level 5 I'd rather use less mushrooms and have less duration.

I will e trying this again shortly but I happen to be dosing on san pedro for the first time this friday so it won't be this weekend.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: vandago]
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Thought I would update my most recent experience.  I took about 2.5g powdered with lemon at 10 on saturday.  At 11, I made another 2g mix and drank that after it sit for 10 minutes.  Let me say, 'Whoa' lol.  I was near my peak from the first drink, then the crazy lemon come up hit from the second drink, and it got somewhat disorienting while drink two was going up to its peak.  Once it leveled off though, it was a wonderful level 4 experience.  I also didn't reach baseline until a bit after 6 hours from the first drink, which is longer than a single drink trip usually lasts me.  I have tripped every weekend since my lemon discovery, so I think my tolerance is a little askew atm.  However, it was abundantly obvious to me that redosing with the lemon method is a great way to take more shrooms to to increase your trip without having to wait a long time.  Eaten shrooms take an hour to hit me, but only 20 minutes when I drink with lemon.  1 hour from first drink + 10 soak of second drink + 20 minutes to feel second drink= 90 minutes in, or roughly the 'Stamet point' for redosing hehe.  After a few weeks break, I plan to eat a bit of shrooms and then do a lemon drink about 45 minutes in.  I am hoping to get the intensity/strength of the lemon method along with a longer trip duration from eating.  We will see how it goes.

Since my last post, I got 4 more friends to try lemon.  All 4 reported noticeably increased effects.  I am convinced that there is more than placebo going on with lemon, but I am at a loss as why it is not working for some people.  It has been around a month since this thread was started, and the anectdotal evidence of peoples posts indicate that it seems to be working for well over half the people that have tried it(70-80% ish).  As far as my circle of friends away from the Shroomery, the percentage is even higher. 

The experiment is ongoing, so if you haven't tried lemon yet, and want to contribute, give it a shot.  Since the communities research is haphazard at best hehe, a lot of us will form our opinions on lemon from the anecdotal evidence from posts in this thread and from personal experiences. 

To those who have tried it and noticed the same thing I did, "You're welcome."  :smile:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Underhillmaster]
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how interesting? i discovered this several years ago actually so it's of no suprise to me. kinda cool to see that others are finding this out now. i personally like to make fruit smoothies and chocolate candies with the powder. as for it being being stronger and faster it probably has something to do with the fact that you grinded the shrooms up into a powder first which may make the psilocybin more readily available to be metabolized. i'm also wondering if Cranberry juice may inhibit monoaminoxidase in your stomach temporarily. i know chocolate does and as a matter of fact the Mazatec indians and several other mushroom using indians will serve cocoa before eating mushrooms. try the same experiment, mixing the shroom powder into a chocolate milk shake. i think you'll be suprised. this also works with 2C-B. this method of ingestion is definitely superior to just eating the whole shrooms. now try this out. 5-7 grams of shroom powder in juice or chocolate, as soon as you get it down, lay flat on your back in a dark area with earplugs in. don't move. just breath and relax. enjoy the ride. in higher doses and no outside sensory input the shrooms exhibit a different kind of effect. the teachers will sometimes come out to play if you know what i mean. :thumbup:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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A few days ago a friend and I embarked on a total of 4 doses between us.

I took 2x 0.25gr, he took 0.75+1gr three hours apart.
We dissolved the mushroompowder of known strength into 4x 25ml (little under 1oz) of preserved lemon juice from a plastic lemon as bought in supermarkets.
We experienced about a 2-3x increase in effects.

The day after I took 0.5gr with about 1gr vitamin C in 1oz warm water and experienced what felt like a 2-3x increase, had I not had tolerance.
On that day my friend took 250mcg of LSD and spiritually burst into flames but thats another story :grin:

So I can confirm that supermarket lemon juice multiplied things 2-3x in several doses across 2 people.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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i just registered to point out that in two of the unsuccessful trip reports, the trippers put the lime juice in the fridge before consuming it. maybe the juice must be at least room temperature upon consumption? I'm going to give it a try with warm lemon juice eventually, maybe somebody could try it with cold lemon juice and see if they don't notice any increased effects?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Underhillmaster]
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Didn't have time to read entire thread; A few years ago, I tried soaking chopped mushroom pieces (about 1-2g) in about one ounce of vinegar (5% acetic acid) for three days. The vinegar solution turned blue on top and the color travelled downwards to the bottom by the third day. On the third day I drank the purple solution in a shotglass (half full, so I added half shot of water to dilute acidity) followed by a few swigs of plain water. The trip was far more potent, yet shorter duration, than I'd experienced with that weight of mushroom.

I believe the methods discussed in this thread serve to increase the bioavailability of psilocin/cybin, by pre-extracting and possibly certain salts (namely psilo*acetates) may have increased activity compared to the freebase psilo in relative weight.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: BunsenBurner]
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BunsenBurner said:
hey all, stumbled on this thread last week, good stuff. gonna try 3.5g cubensis w/ fresh lemon juice tomorrow night, will report back. haven't had shrooms since last winter, so planning on a fun night regardless if the lemon is a factor or not.



Did you survive?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: ninsega]
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Me and a friend just ground 3 grams of dried pan subbs a piece and sat in lemon for 25 minutes.  Drank 22 minutes ago and started feeling it about 7 minutes ago.  Wish me luck :smile:

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: ninsega]
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Hmmm...well here is my contribution:

  We started the experiment with 4 people. Each person was to consume 2.5g of dried-powdered mushrooms with a glass of cranberry juice. One comment I would like to add for anyone who does now powder the shrooms to a fine poweder, is if you are set in mixing them with a drink or tea, put them in a tea bag, this way the bits won't stick to your glass and you can eat the shake afterwards.

Anyway, the come-on of the trip was unusual, there was no pre-trip-anxiety. My stomach did not turn and there was no feeling of uneasiness. Another stange occurence that went against many of the posts here  is; the trip took about 45 min. to kick in. If many of you are thinking it was the shrooms, i fairly sure it was not for several reasons; one, everyone felt similair effects and I have tried these shrooms before and the worked great :smile:. So i am not sure what went wrong.

The trip itself: Was fairly delightful. The build up was quick but it was no-freight train. Very philosophical trip...very much a inner-mind-self reflection type of trip. Felt very in-tune with the world and with *light*.  Not very visual but that's do to too many factors.

Overall I found this to be inconclusive and would like to try it again. To be continued:::::


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Sweet thanks for sharing I must try this!


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: ShroomOmatic]
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great stuff! Just went through this whole thread. ILl keep tabs on it...you guys are on to something big.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Toddo]
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im going to try this tonight.
i dont have a scale so my estimated amount is anywhere from 2-3g dried powdered cubensis soaked in the juice from 2 whole lemons (about 3/4 cup). i began the soak at apprx. 1:10 pm. im going to let this soak all day and dose tonight. i will report back later either prior/post dosing then after the trip. wish me luck yall.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: hilikus989]
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hilikus989 said:
im going to try this tonight.
i dont have a scale so my estimated amount is anywhere from 2-3g dried powdered cubensis soaked in the juice from 2 whole lemons (about 3/4 cup). i began the soak at apprx. 1:10 pm. im going to let this soak all day and dose tonight. i will report back later either prior/post dosing then after the trip. wish me luck yall.



be sure to mention if the lemon juice was refrigerated while it was soaking or not.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: snakeandbake]
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Had a FABULOUS time thursday night. I will never do shrooms any other way after this. I took 2.7 grams dry and blended it and put it in a cup. I then squeezed two very large lemons into it, and put about a shot of lemon concetrate. I had a friend with me as well that took 2.9 grams dry ( pan subbs) . Btw I did not refridgorate the juice after the mushrooms were with it.

The initial effects started within 10-15 minutes, I post on here that I had dosed around 20 minutes after I drank. The trip was amazing, strong level 3 damn near a 4. The thing about this method I noticed is it comes on so hard and fast that I don't have that edge for some reason. Normally one would think it would make it worse, but it was far easier to handle. I tripped for maybe 3.5 hours no longer becuase I passed out right b4 11.

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