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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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because firstly sex is not just for making babies, it cements emotional bonds between mates and secondly, as much as many people don't want it to be, sex is fun and pleasurable. humans are in a position with abortion that allows them to control when they have kids. surely it is better to have kids when you are able to afford the cost and responsibilty than when you cannot. think of how many more poor single mothers your taxes would be supporting if abortion was not available. not everyone chooses abortion and that is great. but to take away the option is to cause great damage to society.

and ok jiggy, fetus not baby. haven't had my coffee yet and all the words jumble in my head. glork fiddle moist.


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
OldWoodSpecter said:
gettinjiggywithit said:
You go boy! :evil: :crazy:


No, really, why do you think they "should not" control people, forbid things, preach around, force people, or even lie and be inconsistant?
If there is no universal plan, every man has a right to lie simply because he was born with the ability to do so, he also has a right to enslave others, simply because he can.


:lol: They can do what they want to obviously. If the can over power, they do. It is the way. My pushing back and diverting the flow of energy is also a part of the way.  :wink:


glad you are honest to yourself.
It is ridiculous to see non-religious moralists pushing morality as THE TRUTH.


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: Redstorm]
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I'm going to call ALL of those Christians who convinced dumb poor natives not to use birth control the murderers of everyone of those babies that dies of starvation because the parents can't feed them.

Let that sit on their holy consciousness and soul.


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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About as ridiculous as seeing religious moralists pushing their morality as THE TRUTH.

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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
About as ridiculous as seeing religious moralists pushing their morality as THE TRUTH.


They have a little story to explain where their morality came from.
So when you ask them, why should I act like this? They say: because the toothfairy said so.
when you ask an atheist, he will say: gee, i never thought of that


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: Redstorm]
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Red, I had a reply to you that snuck in right before your last one went up. maybe you missed it.


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Redstorm said:
About as ridiculous as seeing religious moralists pushing their morality as THE TRUTH.


They have a little story to explain where their morality came from.
So when you ask them, why should I act like this? They say: because the toothfairy said so.
when you ask an atheist, he will say: gee, i never thought of that


If you asked any atheist whose intelligence is worth anything, they would not be stalled by your question. Morality is dictated by a social contract in which the population of a given society implicitly agrees to. There does not have to be a higher power which hands you a code of morals. People agreeing to a code is just as effective, and much more legitimate.

The way I see it, no one will abort my child when I have one. Only I (actually, mostly the mother) will be able to make that decision, not any one else.

Also, I don't see why someone who doesn't subscribe to your faith should have to follow your code of morals.

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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: psychomime]
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psychomime said:
because firstly sex is not just for making babies, it cements emotional bonds between mates and secondly, as much as many people don't want it to be, sex is fun and pleasurable. humans are in a position with abortion that allows them to control when they have kids. surely it is better to have kids when you are able to afford the cost and responsibilty than when you cannot. think of how many more poor single mothers your taxes would be supporting if abortion was not available. not everyone chooses abortion and that is great. but to take away the option is to cause great damage to society.

and ok jiggy, fetus not baby. haven't had my coffee yet and all the words jumble in my head. glork fiddle moist.


and what is the purpuse of these bonds? to better take care of the child. You can use sex whatever you like, but you can't complain about the technical details of it because you aren't really following instructions on the back side


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
OldWoodSpecter said:
Redstorm said:
About as ridiculous as seeing religious moralists pushing their morality as THE TRUTH.


They have a little story to explain where their morality came from.
So when you ask them, why should I act like this? They say: because the toothfairy said so.
when you ask an atheist, he will say: gee, i never thought of that


If you asked any atheist whose intelligence is worth anything, they would not be stalled by your question. Morality is dictated by a social contract in which the population of a given society implicitly agrees to. There does not have to be a higher power which hands you a code of morals. People agreeing to a code is just as effective, and much more legitimate.

The way I see it, no one will abort my child when I have one. Only I (actually, mostly the mother) will be able to make that decision, not any one else.

Also, I don't see why someone who doesn't subscribe to your faith should have to follow your code of morals.


This social contract implies only one thing: don't get caught, and you are a moral being

and why do you say "your faith"? Did you mean ME?


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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I did mean you, but I reread the thread and realized that you do not believe in the pushing of your morals on others. I apologize, I didn't quite understand where you stood.

In that case, I have no problems with your morals. People should be able to believe and do whatever they like, as long as their beliefs do not infringe on the beliefs of others.

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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: TheHateCamel]
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I also voted against parental consent for minors seeking abortions. I'd rather know girls to afraid to tell there parents are going to medical clinics instead of having their uterus's scraped with coat hangers in a back alley.

Besides, has anyone considered this. If a 2 month old fetus is terminated, what gets put on the death certificate of the "murdered baby" when it didn't even have a formal legal birth certificate drawn up yet?

If the Christians get their way in the future, what is big brother going to do, hook ultrasound up through the satellite system to every woman's uterus, tag and track the fetus's? What if the woman mis carries? Will she be sent to jail under suspicion of self abortion?


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
I did mean you, but I reread the thread and realized that you do not believe in the pushing of your morals on others. I apologize, I didn't quite understand where you stood.

In that case, I have no problems with your morals. People should be able to believe and do whatever they like, as long as their beliefs do not infringe on the beliefs of others.


no problem,

just please take one post at a time, don't go drawing conclusions about me, I'm not even a christian or anything like that. I'm just playing discussions


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Yeah, I missed one post. Unfortunately, it was a very important one. You know how it goes when people post at the same time. :blush:

Thanks for the understanding.

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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: Redstorm]
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ok, back to the topic at hand..

Personally I don't like it when people preach, christians or otherwise, but I was saying that those who are on the oposite side of discussion from christians when it comes to some moral issues, fight back with even more preaching. So the whole thing sounds like a circus


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Re: Legislating morality. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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hatecamel,
cough cough, whats going on , hehe ? I just crossreaded the responses and will reread later so here just my obligatory 2 Cent:
But, where the heck in christianity it is said, that its essence is free will ? Hehe, that is new :wink:
If, at all, the christian god has given free will to adam, via eva, via lucifer, hehehe And perhaps, a kind of free will in NT is, to not directly kill your enemy, as it was usus in OT.
Or am I completely wrong ?

Until now, mankind seems too weak for its own free will...

(I will reread...)
edit: ah ic, woodie has somehow answered this in the third answer..but I will read on..
edit2: Abortion ? Save the mother, and you will save the child !!

edit3: Aeh, yes...all the shit started after the free-will-cause :grin:


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