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Morality of Media Piracy
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Do you pirate media? If so, do you believe it to be immoral, amoral or moral? Why?

Edited by spud (01/12/06 11:11 PM)

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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I do not. No it is not. I don't know.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Icelander]
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Why is it when I make a philosophical thread actually relevant to the real world no one gives a shit?

Not enough chakra talk?

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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Most of the shit I pirate, I wouldn't spend a dime on. I just watched The Ringer and The Transporter 2... they both sucked. I would've been pissed if I had spent money to see those movies. I think the movie industry (and the music industry) owes it to me to not overmarket shitty product. How many times have you bought/rented/paid to watch a movie and felt gyped? This is my wish and it didn't come true, so I'm taking it back... I'm taking them all back.

My extensive music/movie collection proves my point.... there are few crappy movies or albums in my collection. But I can't tell you how (before Napster came along) many times I bought CDs and got one good song and a dozen tracks of garbage.


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Sclorch]
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If you know that the quality is going to be as expected, right on par, will you pay for it even if you have means to get it for free illegally?

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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I've done it in the past and feel like Ice and sclorch do about it.

The stuff I pirated, I would've never paid for either.

Now, if I was willing to pay for something and found a way to steal it for free, would I? NO. Why? I guess if you pirate stuff that isn't even worth paying for, its the same as taking stuff from the city dump and no one cares.

If its worth paying for then, yes, my moral compass would feel off if I stole it and I can't see myself doing that.

If you want to get this discussion going spud, throw out some hypotheticals and some of your own thoughts and feelings on it.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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spud said:
Why is it when I make a philosophical thread actually relevant to the real world no one gives a shit?

Not enough chakra talk?


I'm sorry. I was feeling a little burnt out at the time. I guess these kinds of questions are meaningless for me. I shouldn't have posted. My bad. :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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So theft is subjective to the self imposition of value?

Isn't that sorta, absurd?

Can I go to your house and steal a belonging of yours simply because I view it as worthless?

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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spud said:
If you know that the quality is going to be as expected, right on par, will you pay for it even if you have means to get it for free illegally?


If it was the quality I wanted then yes, I would pay for it, even if I could get it for free legally. Why? Quality shit deserves the compensation.

The magazine photos of under water shots I pirated for brochures were not even of the quality I was looking for. I had to cut and paste on photo shop to get the shot I wanted. I did go to check out the stock of the under water photographers and they were mediocre shots at rip off prices. If I found an awesome one in their stock, I still would have paid the rip off price-after negotiating it down some. :evil:

I did what I had to do to get the pics I wanted and have lost no sleep over it.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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spud said:
So theft is subjective to the self imposition of value?

Isn't that sorta, absurd?

Can I go to your house and steal a belonging of yours simply because I view it as worthless?


Now we are getting somewhere. First off, your example doesn't work for this topic. When someone pirates from the media, they are not taking the original and only away from the artist. they are making a copy from it. Thats why i don;t think most of us see it as stealing. The artist still has their original.

Morally, I feel it is stealing potential income from the artist, if I was willing to pay for the copy and found a way to get it illegally for free. Morally, it wouldn't sit right with me because like I said, if it was high enough quality to pay for it then, I think the artist deserves the support and compensation for a job well done and to keep them going. It would be my way of showing my appreciation and I do that quite often. Hell, I gave my daughters acting/vocal coach $100 tip for christmas because I appreciate her work.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I'm the same way.

I have an extensive movie collection, except it's all of extremely high quality movies.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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How do you feel about it personally spud? Lets start with that. What is your moral compass feeling?  I'm not going to judge you for it. I think how you feel about it is all that should matter to you. if you are concerned to take into consideration the view of someone who thinks its morally wrong, I'm not the one to give you that view.

Even still, they have the original, its not like you stole that from them. You kept them from making potential money off their work, but, thats the risk they take to make the big bucks they do. For me, I think its cool when you show appreciation of the things you value. Make up for it and tell everyone you know to rent the movies. Give them free advertisement or something in exchange.:lol:

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I pirate things that are incredibly expensive, such as seasons or series of TV shows and anime.

For example, a few years ago I decided to DL all of the Ranma 1/2 Episodes. If I wanted to purchase them, they'd run me about $120 per a season, and there is about 12 seasons I believe. See, that's just ridiculous in my opinion.

I do the same with operating systems and other incredibly expensive forms of media.

When I feel bad, I take the money I would of spent on it and donate it to charity. I know it isn't exactly the most logical thing to do, but it alleviates any feelings of guilt.  :smile:

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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I pirate media, which is stealing, yet I don't feel bad at all.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Redstorm]
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I pirate music thats about it. It dosn't bother me. I try to make an effort when a band that I listen too is in town to go see them and usually throw some cash down for a shirt.

Aside:
In Canada it is legal to download music but it is illegal to upload :cuckoo:. We also pay a tax (small one) on all digital recording devices (blank cd's, ipods,  etc) that gets redistributed amongst the recording industry.

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Noetical]
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noeticbuzz said:
We also pay a tax (small one) on all digital recording devices (blank cd's, ipods,  etc) that gets redistributed amongst the recording industry.


That's really clever actually!

My stance on this is the same as Jiggy's, although when i buy something i appreciate i'll get it online, 3rd party Amazon sellers usually. I refuse to buy from big music stores like HMV and Virgin because it's daylight robbery. Corporate cocknobs, they make far too much money from adding to the price... why the hell should they get away with charging ?15 for an album you can buy online for a fiver??

I do try and download as much Metallica as possible though, just out of principle (i hope you're reading this Lars you little bitch!)  :evil:


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Dfekt]
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That's really clever actually!

My stance on this is the same as Jiggy's, although when i buy something i appreciate i'll get it online, 3rd party Amazon sellers usually. I refuse to buy from big music stores like HMV and Virgin because it's daylight robbery. Corporate cocknobs, they make far too much money from adding to the price... why the hell should they get away with charging ?15 for an album you can buy online for a fiver??

I do try and download as much Metallica as possible though, just out of principle (i hope you're reading this Lars you little bitch!)  :evil:


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Noetical]
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noeticbuzz said:
We also pay a tax (small one) on all digital recording devices (blank cd's, ipods, etc) that gets redistributed amongst the recording industry.


That's really clever actually!

My stance on this is the same as Jiggy's, although when i buy something i appreciate i'll get it online, 3rd party Amazon sellers usually. I refuse to buy from big music stores like HMV and Virgin because it's daylight robbery. Corporate cocknobs, they make far too much money from adding to the price... why the hell should they get away with charging ?15 for an album you can buy online for a fiver??

I do try and download as much Metallica as possible though, just out of principle (i hope you're reading this Lars you little bitch!)


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"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit." ~Oscar Wilde

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Dfekt]
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That's really clever actually!

My stance on this is the same as Jiggy's, although when i buy something i appreciate i'll get it online, 3rd party Amazon sellers usually. I refuse to buy from big music stores like HMV and Virgin because it's daylight robbery. Corporate cocknobs, they make far too much money from adding to the price... why the hell should they get away with charging ?15 for an album you can buy online for a fiver??

I do try and download as much Metallica as possible though, just out of principle (i hope you're reading this Lars you little bitch!)


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"Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit." ~Oscar Wilde

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Dfekt]
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My stance on this is the same as Jiggy's, although when i buy something i appreciate i'll get it online, 3rd party Amazon sellers usually. I refuse to buy from big music stores like HMV and Virgin because it's daylight robbery. Corporate cocknobs, they make far too much money from adding to the price... why the hell should they get away with charging ?15 for an album you can buy online for a fiver??

I do try and download plenty of Metallica, just out of principle (i hope you're reading this Lars you little bitch!)


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Dfekt]
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Whoops! Shit, sorry guys, i kept getting some error and my post wasn't showing... god damn machines...


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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spud said:
Why is it when I make a philosophical thread actually relevant to the real world no one gives a shit?

Not enough chakra talk?


:yawn:

Maybe its just you, I don't find you to be very exciting. :grin:

Seriously, though, when it comes to my personal involvement with pirating media, I look at it the same way as a starving man stealing bread. I am an aspiring musician and I temporarily have to download all the musikk I can to inspire and to teach me musikk so that, in a few years, when I am professional, they can make much more money than what they would have hypothetically made from me if I had bought all of that musikk in the first place. :lol: Its an intangible, imaginary contract that they are not aware of. :tongue:

Honestly, though, I do not justify my illegal behavior in any way and recognize the ramifications fully. Ethics is not a branch that, from what I have been given to understand of it, I think much of. :shocked:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: fireworks_god]
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How the fuck did you just make 5 of the same posts?

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Redstorm]
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I think he may be the choosen one. Yeah, I'm sure of it. Spread the word that we have found him. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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Do you pirate media?
I try to buy stuff only from bands whose member's mothers do not know their kids are in a band

If so, do you believe it to be immoral, amoral or moral?
moral

Why?
if i don't give them my money, they won't be able to get another cd out, and i (and other people like me) will never listen to it

i also buy stuff that there is no other way to get them

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Sclorch]
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Quote:
Most of the shit I pirate, I wouldn't spend a dime on.


If nine out of ten movies I see blow (and they do,) is it immoral to only pay for nine out of every ten movies I watch?

Crime is okay if you find a way to rationalize it and don't get caught, right? I stole some excellent music last night, and as a result, I'm going to go out and buy a Mars Volta CD tomorrow. Whenever I wonder if I'm quietly destroying the livelihood of my favorite musicians, I just remind myself that I still buy CDs too, and if the average music fan bought as many CDs as I buy, the music industry would be in great shape.

I am a good person.
I am a good person.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Edited by CyberChump (01/13/06 04:14 PM)

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: spud]
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I dont see it as amoral or anything......media is made to be viewed/listened to/shared.......Isnt that the point? Sure money is nice, but when did art start to just equal money?

Besides...most of the stuff i download i think i have owned at one point in time anyway....music that is.....


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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Schwip]
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:thumbup:

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Re: Morality of Media Piracy [Re: Schwip]
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I wish everyone pirated music so the major labels of the music industry would go bankrupt.

EDIT:  http://www.downhillbattle.org/reasons/

:thumbup:


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Edited by D4NK (01/13/06 04:29 PM)

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