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Gayness in men a chem. imbalance?
    #4438282 - 07/22/05 03:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What i see this as is a chemical inbalance or something that happend in their childhood or sumthin that made them homosexual. i dont really understand it. it dont make sense to me cuz they say its a choice not a problem yet i cant see myself waking up one day lusting for men as a choice. the thought sickens me. this has been bugging me cuz my gay neighbor. i look at him and get pissed off, so it makes it think about it i dont really understand male homosexualality. it seems more of a disorder than a choice to me. but of course what i beleive is everyone explains behaviors they dont understand with disorders. so if anyone can give me information on "male gayness syndrome thingy" it would help my understanding of this kinda stuff.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438314 - 07/22/05 03:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I believe homosexuality is genetic not behavioral.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438322 - 07/22/05 03:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Also, so what if your neighbor's gay? Is he peeping at you taking a shower? Hitting on you? Hurting your kids?

Can't hate the guy, he's just being who he is.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: Adden]
    #4438332 - 07/22/05 04:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

gayness is caused by witchcraft and the devil.
i have some little pamphlets that explain it all.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438468 - 07/22/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

maybe hetereosexuality is a chemical imbalance.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438690 - 07/22/05 05:14 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it would be something as simple as a chemical imbalance. Many gay men seem to have feminine traits, and take a look at this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/695142.stm

This seems to indicate that gay men have slight feminine traits.

As far as getting angry by simply looking at a gay man... that sounds like a serious emotional problem that you might want to deal with.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: Phluck]
    #4438711 - 07/22/05 05:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's the whole "Nature vs. Nurture" argument. What makes us who we are? Our genes or our environment?

When it comes to gayness, I'm sure each situation is different. I'm sure some people get a ton of homo genes and other people have some homo experience which does something to their brain to make them go fu-fu.

The twin studies I have seen are compelling. Identical twins (with the same DNA) are seperated and live in completely different circumstances and when one of them is gay the other one usually is too. That makes a strong case for genes playing a part in sexuality.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: Phluck]
    #4438802 - 07/22/05 05:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Phluck said: As far as getting angry by simply looking at a gay man... that sounds like a serious emotional problem that you might want to deal with.


dude its not like i get enraged or anything he wanders around his house naked with the place open and the clothes he wears are just disgusting, enough to make any straight man sick. its not a emotional problem its just plain sick, and makes me angry and upset when i see him recalling that nasty ass shit.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4438810 - 07/22/05 05:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed.

Also, it should be noted, genes are not the only factor that effect your biological makeup.

If I opened up someone's skull, and started disconnecting, and reconnecting neurons all over the place, they would drastically change.

Or, I exposed them to a whole lot of weird drugs while they were still in the womb, it might seriously change they way they turn out.

Neither of these examples mean genetic changes, but they do mean that you will be physically different.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: Phluck]
    #4438822 - 07/22/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Gay men's corpus collusum(is that the right one, i forgot) is more dence, there is more shit connecting the two hemispheres. This is also true in women... Therefore it's pretty much genetic.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438837 - 07/22/05 05:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Do you feel that you are the way you are because your chemicals are balanced? That being a straight man is the "natural" "intended" state of things? Someone acts radically differently from you and it makes you angry- because it goes against the values that you hold, and those of the people you choose to surround yourself with?

Oh, and by the way, how is your sister's eye?


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438915 - 07/22/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Phluck said: As far as getting angry by simply looking at a gay man... that sounds like a serious emotional problem that you might want to deal with.


dude its not like i get enraged or anything he wanders around his house naked with the place open and the clothes he wears are just disgusting, enough to make any straight man sick. its not a emotional problem its just plain sick, and makes me angry and upset when i see him recalling that nasty ass shit.




Obviously that man does not feel the same way as you do.

No need to get bent out of shape over someone else's lifestyle choices. Just worry about your own.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4438984 - 07/22/05 06:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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EmbracingShadows said:
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Phluck said: As far as getting angry by simply looking at a gay man... that sounds like a serious emotional problem that you might want to deal with.


dude its not like i get enraged or anything he wanders around his house naked with the place open and the clothes he wears are just disgusting, enough to make any straight man sick. its not a emotional problem its just plain sick, and makes me angry and upset when i see him recalling that nasty ass shit.




No need to get so defensive about it. Maybe what is really upsetting you is that you see him naked and start to think about some subconscious gay fantasies you have. This scares you and makes you feel anger towards him because he brought out these emotions in you.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: EmbracingShadows]
    #4447142 - 07/24/05 05:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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EmbracingShadows said:
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Phluck said: As far as getting angry by simply looking at a gay man... that sounds like a serious emotional problem that you might want to deal with.


dude its not like i get enraged or anything he wanders around his house naked with the place open and the clothes he wears are just disgusting, enough to make any straight man sick. its not a emotional problem its just plain sick, and makes me angry and upset when i see him recalling that nasty ass shit.




Thats funny, i get enraged when a faggot enters my field of vision.

Keep a watch on him, he might have a few boys hiding in his closet.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: yousuck]
    #4447377 - 07/24/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You need to learn to disambiguate between gender conformity and sexual orientation.

Your problem isn't that your neighbor is gay, it's that he has a low level of gender conformity. You should ask yourself why you react so strongly to a man with low gender conformity. Maybe you felt a lot of pressure to confirm to a gender role as a kid, or something, and seeing someone happy behaving in a way you were pressured not to behave

Ohh, BTW, men who self report as being heterosexual and also having a high amount of homophobia are much more likely to get turned on by gay pornography then heterosexuals with low amounts of homophobia. Maybe your emotional reaction is caused by projecting your self-hate onto this guy or a reaction formation against his lifestyle choice.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: tomk]
    #4448607 - 07/24/05 11:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Ohh, BTW, men who self report as being heterosexual and also having a high amount of homophobia are much more likely to get turned on by gay pornography then heterosexuals with low amounts of homophobia. Maybe your emotional reaction is caused by projecting your self-hate onto this guy or a reaction formation against his lifestyle choice.




hey, i think your on to something. everytime i feel homophobic i have this incredible urge to go beat off to some hardcore gay porn.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: yousuck]
    #4448634 - 07/24/05 11:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

No.  You sublimate your sexual response towards violence and hatred of gay people.  You hate them because they represent an aspect of yourself you are not comfortable with.  It's obvious. 

Besides all humor (like yours) has an element of truth in it.  The only false part is that you don't feel the urge, it's unconscious and manifests itself as projection and reaction formation, etc.  Get over it dude.  Look.  Take some mushrooms and then think about homosexuality.  Watch the way your mind shakes up.  Examine it, you'll see there is an element of truth in what I am saying.

Also, attitudes like yours really contribute to the high rates of suicide for gay and lesbian kids.  :nonono:


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: tomk]
    #4451311 - 07/25/05 05:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

im only against flaming faggots cause their an offense against all things masculine. i have nothing against other men who act like men but have some innate desire to have gay relations.

I put it this way, a persons true value lies within their ability to survive in extreme conditions, EG darwinian value. A flaming faggot will die before that of a man in a nature survival situation merely because he not only accepts this pseudo feminine weakness, but has chosen to flaunt it.

you see, i hate all people who embrace and celebrate weakness.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: yousuck]
    #4451543 - 07/25/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Right. But in nature, women do a lot better in men. As an experiment in Kenya, a village of all women and all men were set up. The women did way better then the men. In fact, the female village had enough money to hire away most of the unpleasant jobs, provide extra money, and provide for everyone, while the male village struggled. In most of the world, gender deviant males (Certain types of hula dancers, 2-spirit native american shamans, etc) are highly prized because they make unique contributions that enhance the reproductive success of their tribes.

But these facts don't change your mind. Part of the masculinity you celebrate (machismo) is a pigheaded refusal to confront facts.

The masculinity you celebrate is not condusive to survival in most situations. It is a huge mistake and very stupid to equate femininity with weakness. Throughout history, females have born the biggest chunk of the physical work of societies. Men were the hunters, but meat was only a small part of the diet, and women put most of the food on the table. Most of the time, a woman would outlast a man in extreme situations.

Why do you think femininity = weakness? I think that is pretty fucked up.


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Re: Gayness in men a chem. imbalance? [Re: yousuck]
    #4451628 - 07/25/05 06:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Mmm...OK, so you hate women and overtly-gay men, but have no problem with masculine-acting men who have sex with men? 

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds odd?

If you are a straight man, why would you hate femininity?  Most "macho" males just love girly-girls.

I mean, I get that you're homophobic to the extreme, but what's your beef with feminine behavior, oh manliest of men?  :grin:


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